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I changed my name on the DP!

Hey you guys, this formerly was GO LIBERTY 2012. But ever since Proud American First posted his video about Muslims, I formerly decided to come out.

You guys don't know how much y'all mean to me. Words cannot express all the gratitude and thanks I give to all of you wonderful, tolerant liberty lovers. I used to be hesitant about being in the liberty movement for my religious beliefs, but it is clear to me now that you guys accept me for who I am and what I think, and Nobody can value that more than me in these rough times!

I have learned nearly EVERYTHING I KNOW about libertarianism from this site. Before this site, I was just an apathetic, laid back teen. Now I read Rothbard, Hazlitt, and Bastiat LIKE A BOSS (and I'm still pretty chill(:).

But nonetheless, I feel that the scourge of hatred and fear mongering is spreading even to libertarians, as what apparently is the top libertarian site, personalliberty.com, derided Islam as a cult and spread the Neo-Con myths further, and all the comments continually deride Islam as well, which horrifies me.

So, it is my personal goal not only to dispel the myths of Islam in a non-proselytizing manner, but to also spread the inherent libertarian virtues of Islam to uninformed Muslims.

So, if you don't mind, could you please help me with some suggestions on how I could spread both the truth about Islam and its libertarian principles?

Also add me on twitter at TheLibertarianMuslim

Thank you very much my brothers and sisters in liberty!

Peace and Love



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But I am glad that I did. Proud Libertarian Muslim you are more then welcome here! :) My twitter handle is the same as my DP's.

Perhaps you can help me out on this question that I just posted on facebook. I don't know your location, but where would I be able to find a Palestinian Keffiyeh in a local store? I've been looking to get one, but I'd rather support a local store in my area than by one online. What kind of stores carry them? I've tried a local google search in my area for "islamic clothing" but had no luck. Any suggestions?

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I like the usury issue.

If you can get people to the point that they will agree that banksters are ruining this country, then you can point out that a lot of the Muslim hate the media promulgates is really because usury is against Sharia Law. It is not about keeping us safe from Muslims, it is about keeping us paying interest.
Good luck, and watch your step. True liberty loving libertarians have a way of becoming... well.... seen any Larken Rose videos? Check him out!

http://youtu.be/DTJ7ihNz2Go

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I am so glad to see you here . . .

and being proud of what/who you are!

I agree with you. I'm a Christian who has never met a Muslim I didn't like, and I've met quite a few! :)

I, too, have been horrified by what seems to be several decades of Muslim-bashing or anti-Islam/Muslim propaganda in this nation that I thought respected all religious beliefs--

or not just bashing the people, particularly, though that is bad enough and maybe even worse, but bashing the religion. How can it be right to bash a religion and pretend to be tolerant of the people in that religion? It doesn't make sense--

I also believe that things within a religion that can be understood for the people who have those beliefs are often misconstrued in ugly ways by people who don't understand those beliefs.

One of the things that has troubled me has been how so many Christians condemn the Koran (Quran--I'm sorry if I didn't get it right) and say it condones violence, when the Bible does exactly the same thing, but Christians say, "oh, no, you don't understand; it doesn't mean THAT!"

Well, of course they will say that; they understand the tenets of their own religion, but they are so quick to misunderstand the tenets of other religions. *shaking my head*

I am one of those Christians who respects different religions and sees good in many religions--

I like diversity! :)

I think God reaches different people in different ways, and, in spite of the different names of God, is still and always will be . . . God.

So, this is good. This is a step in the right direction. I have been working hard to reach people within my own religious group as well--

and finding a way to reach people, based upon an understanding of their unique beliefs, is the wise way to do it.

I once took an extensive world religions class at a seminary/religious school that was supported by my religious sect--

the class was taught by a Christian, a member of my own faith. His respect for other religions inspired me so much that I have determined to spend my life trying to build bridges with other faiths--

I am sure there were others who sat in that class with me who came out of it, thinking, "I'm glad I'm what I am; I have no use for those other religions"--

It's a matter of individual perspective and choice.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Good post!

Keep them coming! Your perspective is important, and dispelling "the myths of Islam" and spreading "libertarian virtues of Islam to uninformed Muslims" are two very important topics.

"Could you please help me with some suggestions on how I could spread both the truth about Islam and its libertarian principles?"

Suggestions:

Try the 30 days, 30 posts challenge where you try to post one blog post a day for 30 days to develop your style, to learn the intricacies of blogging, and to start building an audience and community around your cause.

You have a great niche market spreading libertarianism through the Muslim perspective, though for suggestion two, I'd recommend moving away from the collective references in lieu of an individual who loves and wants to help his Muslim community. Stress the importance of individuality and how it can benefit a common cause when a bunch of individuals are independently working towards a similar or harmonious goal.

In my opinion, you have to drill down to the fundamentals before you can move forward in the debates (which often times requires relearning history). Many people will have different fundamentals, but these are pretty basic:

1. The principle of Self-Ownership:

http://youtu.be/muHg86Mys7I

2. The right to own property:

http://youtu.be/jnjPFZV8Wqo

3. Non-Aggression Principle (@ 2:12):

http://youtu.be/H8TI-pm0m2o?t=2m12s

If they don't agree on those principles, it's going to be difficult to convince that person, and you might consider moving on to the next person.

I hope to hear more from you!

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Peace and Love! I am both PROUD and GLAD that you are member of this community :-)

I hope that I did not come off the wrong way with that video. I am just over 1 year new to this movement and have a lot to learn. When I listened to that particular video by Publius, I had mixed emotion, she is scholar where I am not, and welcome any objectivity.

As for Muslim or any other religion, that is where my weakness is, I have a very difficult time as it is following my own religion. Please know without a doubt that I am not racist or otherwise, I see people for who they are, as individuals.

I have always enjoyed reading your posts, and count on reading more, my very good friend in Liberty :-)

If more people 'came out' just as you have, this world would REALLY rock with Liberty!!

:-) :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

What a Sigh of Relief!! :)

I am so glad to hear that from you! But what I fear the most is that curious people don't know where to turn, and then find demagogues that seem to be very popular and well informed, but really know nothing.

My goal is to spread liberty far and wide to Muslims and non-Muslims, and tolerance is crucial to building a succesful movement. Misinformation powered by inflammatory rhetoric only leads to more neoconservatism, warmongering, and statism, and we have to work together to stop it!

Thank you very much!

I have always enjoyed your posts!

Peace and love to you as well!

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

By The Way

I might have added you on twitter :)

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

Alright, brother!

It's a shame you have to "come out" as a Muslim, but much for respect being proud of who you are.

You can start by

Exposing the elite for having destroyed positive attitudes about Islam in this country. They deliberately drum up fear and hatred in Americans, blame anti-American actions on cultural and religious differences, and all the while they incite violence by oppressing people on the one hand, and supporting and creating terrorist factions on the other. And they destroy Islam and Muslims in the perceptions of millions around the world just as a straw man to ensure the sentiment of this nation remains in the favor of the corporate and political elite.

Make no mistake, Islam was systematically used by the establishment to create hostility between sovereign nations. That is going to make a good book when I find the time.

Séamusín

yes, that will make a good book--

I will read it!!!

I've thought the same thing myself--

I love the Orthodox Jews who state over and over and over again that the Muslims and Jews got along well and lived together in harmony (tended each other's children so the adults could participate in various religious 'celebrations') in the 'holy land' before the U.N. and their policies came into effect.

Nobody listens to them, but they know what they are talking about. This artificial divide between Muslims and Jews does not affect all of them--

or not all of them will participate in that hatred and division--

but it has hurt SO many innocent people and cost so many lives--

so much heartache--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

There is no divide when

There is no divide when liberty is truely in ones heart, welcome brother

Breath of Fresh Air

What a great post and such a breath of fresh air. Thank you for posting and I for one am very glad we share this community together.

Greetings!

Liberty is Universal!

I personally would like to mention that an important piece of historical literature is the scholastic dialogues of Avicena, Duns Scotus, Averroes, Thomas Aquinas, Bonaventure... etc... TPTB do not promote these amazing dialogues of Faith and Reason within our schools.

Scholasticism found a way to bridge the divide of faith, through the philosophical language of Aristotle. TPTB have really worked hard at discrediting these dialogues by referring to them as the literature of "the Dark Ages."

On the contrary, These Scholastic Men were very enlightened and furthered the dialogue between Muslims, Christians, and Jews (for that matter all other faiths).

It is very important to understand our Scholastic roots in Austrian Economics as well. Look up Instituto Juan De Mariana in Spain; which is an Austrian Economics Think Tank highly influenced by the Scholastic Tradition of Dominican Monks.

Our Libertarian Heritage is also highly influenced by the Scholastic Fathers, for they championed human individual reason in their attempt to figure out Man's relation to God.

Peace!

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

tell us more!

This is amazing stuff!

(silly way to say it perhaps, "stuff", but . . . :) )

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Personally I find the Golden Age and Renaissance

to be very interesting. My favorite scholar is ibn Khaldun for his landmark work Muqaddimah. I'm also interested in the whole tabula rasa, nature vs. nurture debate.

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

there is a lot of wisdom in that culture that . . .

might be lost to reasonable minds and hearts if the PTB are not stopped, soon.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Welcome, Friend of Liberty!

I as a Christian, welcome you here! We had some Muslim neighbors, they mostly kept to themselves. But when there was a loss in my immediate family, they were among the first to show support by bringing food. (My Messianic Jewish friends were, too, as was my home congregation. So we had support from Jews, Christians, and Muslims --how wonderful is that!) Stand strong for liberty!

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You are a brother in LIBERTY!

Thanks for your post.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

(((((((Chris)))))))

Sorry but, I just had to do the lady hug thing. LOL

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[[[[[[[Nonna]]]]]]]

And "bro hug" to my liberty loving guy friends as well. I guess for them I have to switch to ((((( ))))) oh no wait how does that work? LMAO.

In any case....liberty hugs to all.

PS and that alternating between guy hugs and girl hugs was HILARIOUS [([( ])]) etc

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

And (((((Nonna)))) too!

LOL

Peace and Love!

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

(((((Chris))))))

Bro hug?

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

It's a loving joke, Proud.

Last time The Granger and I gave cyber hugs to each other (((( )))), Chris chimed in with [[[[ ]]]] hugs and said it was because he's a guy. I then thanked him for the man hugs, as opposed to lady hugs. All in good fun.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

LOL!

1988vote, being the benign schizophrenics Paul_S. claims "we" are--

would give this kind of hug:

[([([([([person getting hug])])])])]

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

LMAO

Good one, (((([[[1988vote!]]]))))!

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I think...

...that there is a time and a place for everything. As a Christian, I'm inclined to ignore religious differences here unless someone attacks me. I don't get why some people on here INSIST on attacking someone else's religion, when that's not the purpose of this site.

Long story short, despite wholeheartedly disagreeing with your religion, I still don't hate you. On this site, we're on the same side despite religion, and I think there are a lot of members that don't get that.

Quite honestly, I would like to know more about Islam, if only for intellectual reasons. It's a complete mystery to a lot of Americans.

I'm glad you said that!

"We can still be brothers and disagree!"

I would love to learn more about Christianity as well!

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

I don't have a problem with

I don't have a problem with religion except if people start mixing it with science and politics.

For example people denying that evolution is possible on the basis of their holy books or people saying that the law should be a certain way because their religion demands it.

Islam does have a certain attraction, especially the Sufi variety but I trust you will be sensible about letting your religious beliefs spill over into other fields.

hmm

Re:"For example people denying that evolution is possible on the basis of their holy books or people saying that the law should be a certain way because their religion demands it."

There are some who do that, but most of the arguments against macro-evolution are based on meta-science and science and not religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEvq4xIHmH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbluTDb1Nfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTiiMbV01GI

Usually the anti-religious equivocate when using the term evolution. The issue at hand only pertains to macro-evolution, but the assertion is made that religious people reject 'evolution', and then evidence for micro-evolution is generally presented. Meanwhile probably nobody rejects the idea of micro-evolution. So in general, they don't really address the issue and they misrepresent the people they criticize.