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A Feminist Libertarian Perspective

Karen Straughan's (aka GirlWritesWhat) presentation at the 2013 NY Libertarian Conference: Enjoy!

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Haven't watched it, but will later. Seems collectivist.

I will bookmark for later.

But, the title denotes incongruity. "Liberty" and "Feminism" is an apples to oranges fallacy just from the title.

You could replace it with:
"An African-Americanism Liberty Perspective"
"A Homosexual Liberty Perspective"

Etc...

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

funny that there is so much "group" talk in the comments below

everyone going on about women this and men that. women are like this and should be doing this. What happened to liberty and everyone being individuals? No matter what you think ALL women are not the same and ALL men are not the same either. So get off your high horses and let people live how they want to live. Please don't tell me how I should live because I am a woman. And for goodness sake pay people the the same for the same work. Uugh.

People should be paid whatever the business owner wants to

pay. there used to be a 'family wage' that was paid to father/husband that would support his family and his wife wouldn't have to work. the feminists whined and the government then mandated with equal work/equal pay laws. now, it is much harder for a family to live on one income.

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lol

yes, they can pay people whatever they want. And the best way for women to get more pay is to leave and work somewhere else for more. In fact the best way for anyone to get paid more is to threaten to leave.....and leave if necessary. OR organize and threaten to leave as a group.

and why shouldn't women get a family wage? You got something against women wanting to make money? Some women want to work. Some women don't want to have kids. Some men want to stay home with the kids. Some men want to be nurses, etc. Everyone should be able to live the life that they want to live and not have to live up to society stereotypes.

In my opinion people should get paid for the job they do, how well they do it.

It is harder for a family to live on one income largely because of inflation. That said, it is far from impossible to live off of one income. Most people just want too much. They are spoiled. They don't realize what is important in life.

i don't mind a woman getting a 'family wage' if that's what the

owner wants to pay her. i mind the gov't forcing it on everyone.

and i completely agree about people wanting too much. i mean, i like stuff, but i won't trade my stay at home mom/wife job for it.

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Why cant everyone just want

Why cant everyone just want 'people rights'? Everyone whether male, female, chinese, german, etc etc etc is a person. Treat someone as a person, not as a 'whatever'. (I think "human rights" has developed kinda a negative connotation to it)

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Correction

GirlWritesWhat is no feminist. I subscribe to her channel. She is leading the charge against the family destroying feminists.

you are correct

at the 9 minute mark she calls herself an anti-feminist

Oh, maybe I will listen then.

Thanks for clarifying, it was literally keeping me from even starting to listen. I saw it was over an hour long and decided I was not up for that much nonsense.
In defense of the family destroying feminists, most do not understand that is what they are doing. I was a feminist at one time. I joined the workforce at age 15 and in 30+ years I ALWAYS had at least one man doing the essentially the same job as me and getting paid more. Don't try to rationalize, it is true - women are paid less. That was and is a legitimate reason to think "women's rights" is a good idea. Trouble is... to get the women in the workplace at all, they marginalized the SACRED job women already had - motherhood. These poor creatures have been taught that what is most meaningful in life is demeaning, they deserve pitied.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

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As I see it, and that's my problem with gender wars

As I see it, and that's my problem with gender wars, yet another form of collectivism, be it male chauvinism or feminism, is:

What's in the hearts of women? Men just don't know.

What's in the hearts of men? Women just don't know. EITHER.

However, here's the ONLY thing worth seeking, figuring out, IMO:

what's in the heart of YOUR partner or spouse?

That ALONE isn't always easy to find out.

And guess what. YOU LIVE with HER or with HIM.

We're individuals. Groups are nothing but an abstraction coined by our intellect and/or ego.

My .02

Peace and Love. :)

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

okay, i watched some. she doesn't understand real feminism.

like the girl who once told me she wanted to start a feminist housewives organization. lol

feminism was/is a political movement to destroy the family so the state can take over the patriarch's position. like it or not, someone or something will always fill it.

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What video did you watch?

What video did you watch?

the one in the op

. but i only watched some. after reading clint's above comment, maybe i'll watch more.

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fill what?

the hole within our souls?

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

i was referring to the patriarchal position.

sorry. :-)

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so you assume there needs be a patriarchal position?

What of the matriarchal/matrilinear societies? Some of those do exist, you know.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

like it or not, there always will be. humanity has tried over

and over to rearrange/reconstruct it. it always reappears. i submit to you that it's a very strong evidence that we were created by the God of the Bible.

unfortunately, we have turned into a mostly matriarchal society. the state doesn't like 'real men' that will stand up to it. women are easily deceived and led because of their more emotional makeup. THAT is why there are so few females in the libertarian movement.

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Whats so matriarchal about avoiding being a mother?

I don't see the current society as matriarchal OR patriarchal. It's something else that tries to destroy what's good and precious and valuable in both sexes.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

in a matriarchal society, women throw off motherhood in favor

of ruling others.

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There's equality and then there's foolishness.

Women voting - of course!
Women equating a career with the same fulfillment as being a wife and mother - nope...

I love this quote by Bette Davis as Margo Channing in All About Eve:

Margo Channing: Funny business, a woman's career - the things you drop on your way up the ladder so you can move faster. You forget you'll need them again when you get back to being a woman. That's one career all females have in common, whether we like it or not: being a woman. Sooner or later, we've got to work at it, no matter how many other careers we've had or wanted. And in the last analysis, nothing's any good unless you can look up just before dinner or turn around in bed, and there he is. Without that, you're not a woman. You're something with a French provincial office or a book full of clippings, but you're not a woman. Slow curtain, the end.

(can't fight the way you're created...I speak from experience as a woman)

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

very good quote---too bad davis was a hardcore feminist in real

life.

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I didn't watch the video

I didn't watch the video because every time I see the word, feminist, it creeps me out. In my opinion, feminists helped to destroy our culture and subsequently, our country. The govt is a reflection of the people. Same way with the so called war on women. I'm not much for victim think or group think. Sorry.

If you think it is in favor of feminism, you are wrong

Although she says the word often in that video, she ain't no feminist.
Rather she shows that today's feminism is actually a genderized version of Marxism.
And then goes on to show how feminists helped to destroy our culture and subsequently, our country.

Only a woman can convincingly convey this message, any guy trying to say the same thing would be pilloried and laughed at as self-serving.
This lady is putting principles above self interest.

I need more delusions of grandeur
I have too many delusions of insignificance

I agree to a degree. I think

I agree to a degree. I think that the Feminist "We want to join the workforce" movement was a cover for the fact that inflation is making a single working household near impossible. Mothers should be at home raising our children instead of having to put them in daycare etc. There is no shame in that, in fact it is almost a sacred duty and is as challenging as any cubicle job. (I saw a bumper sticker that said "Chief Household Officer" and it made me laugh how true it is)

I think the movement was also a response to the Male hyper-masculine brainwashing by our media outlets. If men are growing up to be permanent adolescent assholes then I can totally see how Women would think they don’t need men at all.

I think that Men and Women are different in ways that complement each other. I will be the first to admit that I need my Woman in my life and she needs me.

I think we need to return to the natural order of our genders and away from the constant distortion by the media that is systematically tearing apart the family unit per the neo-Marxist agenda of the current power structure.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

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Correction...

You say, "... inflation is making a single working household near impossible."
Reality: Taxes are making a single working household impossible. Do the math. It takes a second income just to pay taxes today.

Undo what Wilson did

Um....what?

Are you a neo-con or Glen Beck fan?

I really wonder with statements like this: "I think we need to return to the natural order of our genders..."

Women can do or be whatever they want. They don't "live to serve" men anymore.

technically we can all do 'whatever we want', but in the end it

doesn't always lead to love, goodness, and freedom.

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nope, sorry. women can't fly or live underwater. there are

limits put on us by our creator. just like a man can't have a baby-- there is no dishonor in being who you were created to be.

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You can fly in a plane, hang

You can fly in a plane, hang glider, with a parachute... there are lots of ways.

And a "man" can have a baby. It's already happened (according to a quick Google search): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy#Transgender_people

Is there "honor" or "dishonor" in the above cited link?

oh this is just terrific! we no longer have to be bound by

anything. anything we set our mind to do, we can do it. i'm so glad we have gmos, the medical industry with all it's amazing drugs, girls that can be men, and men that can be women. aren't we humans clever? now, maybe we can move into a virtual world, where we can virtually fulfill all our sinful desires. all the while, we are being enslaved and marching straight to hell.

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