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Conspiracy Theorists Here on the DP

Dear DP,

Sorry to break it to you, but YES there ARE Conspiracy Theorists on this website. In my own personal life, I started researching "The Illuminati" about 5 years ago. Yes I do believe they exist, and yes I do believe they are working behind the scenes to bring forth a "New World Order."

That being said, it was my conspiratorial mind that brought me to the Liberty Movement, so like it or not, we are a part of the movement. Yes, I keep the conspiracy stuff to a minimum here, because yes this site is about Limited and Constitutional Government first and foremost. But the attacks on Conspiracy Theorists should stop. At the end of the day we are all on the same team.

Unfortunately there is a lot of dis-/misinformation on the subject of the Illuminati, so YES there are a lot of "conspiratards" out there. They just haven't figured it out yet, and are probably in it for "Conspiratainment" anyways. Just because there are a few crazies out there, doesn't mean we are all whackos or nutters. Even I have subscribed to some off-the-wall stuff, but my mind is not closed off to debunkers and I have been debunked before. I am ok with that. All I am after is the TRUTH. Nothing more, and nothing less.

That is all.

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I wish there was no such

I wish there was no such thing as HIPAA and that I had no desire to keep my job so that I could completely obliterate these dumbass actor theories. But alas, I have bills to pay.

HIPAA doesn't apply...

as long as you keep identities unknown. No Personally Identifiable Information, no HIPAA violation.

Please... obliterate away.

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Can't do it without some sort

Can't do it without some sort of identifying information. Otherwise, how would you know what I'm talking about has anything to do with the Marathon bombings? I just had to take a long, boring refresher course in confidentiality because my hospital is pissed about employees leaking pictures and medical info. The slightest thing can be considered identifying information.

I will tell you this though. If the actor theory is true, you can add MASSIVE insurance fraud to the list of conspiracies. Every medical professional/administrator in Boston and the surrounding area are involved, including myself. Where's my fat government check? I'm getting the shaft!

The conspiracy theorists will accept no counter-evidence

You could post the victims' medical records and these conspiracy theorists would just call them faked. They made up their mind and started with the premise that this is a massive conspiracy and nothing will convince them otherwise. If you give them information that can be twisted to support their conspiracy narrative they will accept that as the word of God.

The debate never ends. Endless speculation about ridiculous conspiracy is their entertainment. SASQUATCH IS REAL PROVE ME WRONG SHEEPLE.

Sasquatch is real

and he is a CIA double agent. Actually, if you look at his ears, you will see that he really is David Hasselhoff in disguise. The disguise isn't all that great, but the CIA monitors your brainwaves so that whenever you see the Hoff, you instead see a big hairy apelike thing, and vice-versa. It can get quite confusing. This means that an actor is playing bigfoot. The Gubmint doesn't want you to know. Animal Planet will do a completely factual expose on this shortly! I have to run, the Hoff is coming for my Banana!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein


Everyone knows that Sasquatch is a "humanzee" that works for the EPA, and that Hasselhoff is busy in Germany attempting to thaw Hitler's frozen head (why do you think he's so "popular" there? HMMMM?). The CIA is just a distraction set up by shapeshifting Reptilian warlocks (posing as Jews) who run the British Crown to distract people from knowing the truth.

You are obviously an infiltrator who was sent here to destroy us all. I'm onto your sick little game, AreYouSerious....or should I say...MRS. PRESIDENT?!?! (That's right, I know about the covered up sex change too!)

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One of the best posts ever....great for laughs.

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A friend of a friend of a friend told me....

that he knows a guy who knows a werewolf who has secret documents that prove Santa Claus is a reptilian from the planet Coolranchdoritos 5, and he secretly runs the world from his secret base inside the moon which is really a hollow space station.

He nuked Boston and that fertilizer plant in Texas to stop the mole men from the center of the earth from activating their anti-lunar laser.

Had they succeeded, the Sasquatch would have taken the throne as Earth's next covert leader, and his army of chainsaw wielding ape men would come out every night to harvest organs from unsuspecting orphans to sell to the Vatican.

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hate to tell you


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I have satellite photos

of Sasquatch wearing a yarmulke as well as a Rolex (gold). The plot thickens.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein



"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I know

I probably shouldn't have posted anything but the stupidity finally got to me and I just needed to vent for the sake of my own sanity. I really have no intention of debating something I know as fact.

It HAS to be mental illness

It HAS to be mental illness right? How can one sincerely believe these crazy things without being crazy themselves?

The media had it spot on when they said Ron Paul's followers were crazy tin foil hat wearing kooks. I really hated them for saying it at the time but when you look at the threads and the up/down votes, you start to realize they were right.

I hate to admit it...

...but, yep.

I was fortunate enough to have libertarian ideas ever since studyign economics in school, and then again attending law school, etc. But the juvenile/insane nuttiness is something to behold. Fortunately there are good, solid, grounded liberty-loving people out there- Tom Woods, Ron Paul, and some others I've met. Too bad there aren't enough of them.

To those neg-reppers who vote down anythign which isn't their narrow point of view: I voted for Ron Paul and actively promoted him to others, probably even lost friends over it because they would look at his supporters and say "they're all nuts." Mostly nuts, I mean. I have fought long and hard for libertarian principles but you "secret decoder ring" maniacs keep peeing in the punch bowl. I'm starting to consider the idea that you (most RP supporters) have less than a full picnic's worht of sandwiches at hand.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What you are not realizing

Is that most of the people you think are not too grounded are the people who have had the most harm come to them by the hands of the "government". Many of these people's freedom has been directly attacked by the criminal jack booted thugs claiming to be "enforcing the law". I have noticed that people who have been harmed the most believe the most outlandish things because they have seen first hand the most outlandish and criminal behavior by the "government". Just curious here Dave, have you had insane psycho cops beat you up or kick in a door to a home you were in or seen psycho cops in mass beating people up, multiple male "officers" doing body cavity searches in public on innocent female victims all while their criminal cohorts stole peoples cameras broke them, beat them up and through them in jail for years??? Or if you have been so heavily involved and publicly influential that black op pentagon and law enforcement agents broke into your house installed computer viruses on your computer and have political party paid violent gangs come to your private party who started a brawl, broke peoples arms and legs and when caught and given to "police" the "officers", stated that were going to charge you if you didn't let the criminals go. Or seen hundreds of cops at a peaceful concert go completely ape and attempting to incite a mass public riot intentionally, Or seen you and all of your friends being targeted to be thrown in jail and getting pulled over multiple times a day and searched and having the insane psycho cops sitting outside your house and following you around all because you smoke a little herb every now and then. Just curious if you have actually been exposed to this insanity by "government". If you have not I wonder if you have pondered the effects of the extreme stress these situations induce upon people and how seeing such blatant criminal behavior by "government" induces a bias into people. I have seen all these things mentioned and much much more. I have had them hunting me for their own profit and gain. I have had the cointelpro activities carried out against myself and many others around me and I am a normal guy who's father was a Federal agent and I grew up around law enforcement.

You seem to think that it is some intellectually schmoozing of politics that needs to happen with the right people in order to get the people elected so we can implement libertarianism. This is insane. It is not about any isms, the mission Ron Paul is on as well as many of those who support him is to restore the rule of law which means to leave people in peace and do not disturb their peace. You claim to be an attorney but what about CRIME? Do you think politics is the proper solution for CRIME??? Those who think politics is going to solve crime being systematically carried out by the insane lunatics who claim to be "Government" are completely off their rocker. I believe they simply have not been exposed to the really insane bad sh*t the cops and government are actively doing and don't see just how really insane and criminal most of them are. You should really think about the affect tyranny has on people, Dave.... First they came for... then no one was left...

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

What you don't get

is that you are here blathering in cyber space and I am on the front lines. You're like the guy sitting at home with a Pabst perched on his belly button complaining about the infantry units overseas. I am like the infantry man.

First, in my own life, yes, I've experienced some things. LIke an arrest for a strict liability "possession" of a gun in a vehicle when the humidity is wrong between the hours of 11 and 1 type idiotic statutory offense - the kind of things you guys talk about incessantly. Yes, as a part of that arrest - (I'll use dramatized words here so you get it) I was "kidnapped" and "assaulted" and then spent a night in the pokey. I fought it and got the charges dismissed.

Second, as a lawyer, I have fought for many clients against banks, corporations, and even the government. You don;t win them all. You can't take every case. The infantryman doesn't do silly things that will get him killed either.

Third, you guys like to philosophize (nd I use that term loosely) about a perfect system where rights are protected of the perpetrator above all else at all times. No system is going to be perfect. Someone is going to be unhappy if one interest is protected above others. So get a grip and enter reality.

I am not an anarchist and the government we have, or the government created in 1789 was not supposed to be perfect nor was it supposed to be anarchy. It was a rrepresentative republic created with minarchist/libertarian ideals. OUt of that come laws passed by representatives and no you won't like all of them. But it sure beats communism or socialism or what we have now-ism.

At some point, in any system, you also just need to man up and get on with the program. You're never going to reach, and there never has been, on this Earth, a pure utopian paradise (well, maybe the garden of Eden) where no one bothers you, asks you a question you don't want to answer, arrests people who aren't criminals, or does anything else you would object to. It's not going to happen until you get to Heaven. But live a little. Work for change but in the meantime, get out of ht eparents basement and do something with your life.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I am blathering online

the same place you are. Not sure how being here talking with you automatically means I am a basement dweller and you are not. Logic fails.

Also you claim to be an attorney but yet you seem to not understand our laws require just powers are derived from the consent of the governed. This is for every action of justice. I battle the courts on the front lines as well however the precedent I seek to make self-evident is that consent of the governed means that liability must be accounted for at all times. No accuser accepting liability no valid cause of action, period. While you are schmoozing on the "front lines" and setting all kinds of establishment precedent within their control paradigm I have set out to ensure that the chain of liability must be unbroken due to the strict construction in our law just powers (powers of justice)being derived from the consent of the governed. If we get this self-evident fact in our law upheld in our law and in the consciousness of the population at large then the courts will return to the protection of law and return to a position of true and lawfully required impartiality in court operation. If you can't get this fact then maybe you are unknowingly assisting the tyrants in their takeover.

Your arrogance and assumptions are over the top. If you know everything then how can you learn anything???

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

I dont know everything

but when it comes to this subject - law - here is a stunner : I know more than you. I know more about theory, jurisprudence, actual laws, legal systems, comparative jurisprudence, procedure, you name it. But I still don't think I know everything. For this reason I regularly take courses to learn more and will continue to do so. I have gone to two days' seminars this last month to learn more about new areas of law for my practice.

Your errors are of such a basic and fundamental nature (i.e., not understanding what government by consent means in our Constitutional system) that I can say they are easy to dispute and I definitely can do so without any problems here.

Do YOU think that RP was elected to seven terms in Congress because he believed things are the way you believe they are. Because if you believe that, the only choices are complete detachment and outright violent rebellion. Nothing else makes sense if you believe what you believe. Tbat isn't a libertarian philosophy.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

It is the only thing that makes sense

I have been going through the complications of law. I have thoroughly studied case law and Jurisprudence. I don't claim to know everything but one thing that has become clear to me when studying the law and jurisprudence in depth is that the more one reads the more consistencies and inconsistencies one finds. Law has an essence in Common sense and the more common sense one gleans from research the better off they are. In order for the protections of law to be maintained and effective it seems common sense that the maximum number of people who understand its Common sense foundations is key.

Case law does get very complicated when it comes to contracts and commerce for good reasons but when it comes to common interactions amongst people and crime this is the most basic form of applicable law there is. You may have a very complicated picture but I believe that this position is not necessarily an advantage in realizing tangible and consistent protections of law. If one does not have a good grounding in common sense then the Law becomes words on a page that form one's reality and consent to laws that may or may not have applicability.

I have found through very deep study that very simple common sense thought experiment logic puzzles can show conflicts in Law without the need for such extraneous and unneeded complications and build a good foundation for being able to quickly identify conflicts no matter how complicated the details get.

Will you play a logic game in Law? I only seek simple replies to simple questions. If you feel that something is too complicated to succinctly answer then please just say its too complicated. I do not wish to take too much of your time here. I just want to see if we can have quick and simple back and forth on this to search for conflicts in logic of law.

Questions for your understanding of law:
In a modern day criminal case, who is the accuser liable for the accusations?

Is it your understanding in law that in any civil or criminal action one has the right to face their accuser(s)?

Are unconstitutional codes null and void from the time of their enactment and therefor color of law?

Oh by the way, can we drop the negativity and superiority complex here? It seems to be getting in the way of simpler, more efficient and effective dialogue that could be fruitful for both of us. And no Dave, violence is not the only choice. In fact my whole intent is to find the real protections of law in all of its forms for the explicit purpose of never experiencing any form of violence again. This is my pursuit of happiness.

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Hey there!

That's some serious word salad right there! :thumbsup:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You are all talk

I noticed that you never respond to any challenges. You talk about how great and superior you are but you won't have any decent debate. You seem to talk about wanting more libertarian principles but all you do talk about how everyone else is inferior to you.

Maybe you can't have a real debate because you are some grumpy old man with no real answers who just wants to point to everyone else as the problem while you are on the "front lines" destroying our law with precedent coming from a bobble head wind bag.

At least others here like to have some decent discussion. I noticed GCN schooled you too. In fact, it seems you constantly get down voted. I'm calling you out as a loser! I have a business with legitimate legal needs and I would never consider working with anyone like the attitude you portray. I even have some very big opportunities for deeper strategies that could use liberty minded attorneys on the team who get it so that these things can move forward in a broader multipronged strategy. But nothing to see with you but a short bag of wind. You lose Dave. Goodbye windbag...

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

You think you have something to talk about

...and you don't. Talk about who the accusing party is in a criminal prosecution? Come on, that got old in the first week of law school, from every possible angle. So, no, I'm not going to indulge your fantasies that you are some great legal theorist.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You lose.

Never any meat just dry air from your wind bag.

I know their false claims of no accuser required (or all the other ways they seem to twist this) in criminal prosecutions is the crutch to their color of law corruption. I have several recordings were their answers change as their fraud is exposed. They are lying to gain power and it really is that simple. You can attempt to twist the facts into black is white and up is down same way the law schools twist it but it still doesn't change the fact that every man is liable for their own actions no matter how much wind is blown from your senseless bag. That's why you can't answer. Every possible logical justification will fail, not because of the complexities but because of the simplicity. That's why you don't want simplicity when discussing the breakdown in the rule of law. You as well as the tyrants need complication to confuse and obfuscate. You lose every time Dave. You claim to know more than me... yeah right that's why you avoid the facts and just keep pointing to law school and your 'experience'. Your fraud doesn't fool me. Everyone is liable for their own self initiated actions, period! How convenient for tyrants that liability would just happen to evaporate when it means seizing someone's liberty. Do you think it is just a coincidence that the American legal system has falsely assumed the position that an accuser is not required for criminal actions and imprisoned more innocent people than any other country in the world? Our legal systems failures are simple not complex. Our law explicitly states that just powers are derived from the consent of the governed yet the criminal justice system acts under color of law and says it can prosecute anyone they wish and no one is liable for the action. It's SOOO obvious.... As always Dave, you lose....

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

sure man

you sovereign citizen frauds claim victory all the time, even when you go to jail. I'm not surprised that you claim it here. I'm not debating these things with you, so I fail to see how you could have won.

A typical debate with a sovereign citizen starts with them proclaiming the law is something that it isn't, and insisting that all kinds of ineffective meritless mumbo jumbo works in court. If you explain why that isn't so, they then will accuse you of supporting every flaw they perceive in the system. It isn't a debate, but an exercise to stave off their boredom; it acheives nothing and they don't even know what they are debating.

But I am fairly certain I didn't miss much. I didn't read your post, beyond where You call Me a fraud because I've actually got a legal education, which strangely came right after you used the phrase "black is white". Yep. I'm pretty sure that in your eyes because I have practiced law that makes me inexperienced and unqualified, and because you haen't, that makes you the supreme expert on what happens in court. I've had too much word salad already today. Tootles!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I wouldn't go that far...

Sure, there are some nutters, but I wouldn't make the sweeping statement that all Ron Paul "followers" are conspiracy kooks. That minority is just very vocal.

That's kinda like saying the GOP is full of libertarians. It may seem that way because we're the most vocal, but unfortunately we're the minority (for now).

Not all of course, but that

Not all of course, but that is the general impression. For example not all those who voted for Romney would be evil or stupid, but we assumed they were for convenience =D

As far as the Boston/Baumann threads go...

I can't imagine a sane mind that would fall for them....it would require incredible paranoia certainly at least bordering on the clinical. But psychiatry is a conspiracy too, so yeah, what are you gonna do...

I don't agree

Ron Paul supporters became Republicans and are the new face of the party standing for Rand. The rest really really like Ron Paul, but like sonspiracy theory better.

In between elections DP has always gone to the far side http://nkelber.com/engl295/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/main-q...

I'd say it's a vocal minority

Also, the MSM used to (and occasionally still does) say that those who question the Federal Reserve are "tinfoil hate-wearing kooks", so consider the source*. I mean, there was a time not too long ago where anyone who suggested that Area 51 was a real place was called a nutjob.

I think part of it is that maybe people are so used to being lied to, that they start assuming everything is a lie. /shrug

* ( of course, the same could be said for some of the "infowarriors" too... )

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Well you won't like me for

Well you won't like me for saying this but people here also have a lot of misconceptions about the Fed from what I've read.

For example they do not know, in general, what happens to the interest on the national debt that the Fed owns.

Is the congress to blame for never having a balanced budget or the Fed whose very task is to be lender of last resort? A balanced budget amendment would easily restrict that spending but there is no political will from it and political will comes from the people.

Another thing is everyone hates inflation and paper currency but forget where money from the revolutionary war came from.

And there are crazy conspiracies about the Fed like it is illegal because there was no quorum when it was passed and many others that kind of slip under the radar but are patently false.

Who said

that I liked you to begin with? ;)

I keed, I keed.

Nah, you make valid points, but that's not exactly what I'm getting at. What I'm saying is that even questioning/criticizing the Fed would've earned most people the "kook" label, regardless of how valid their points were. Kind of like how people get called "racist" no matter how valid their criticism of Obama is. And then there's the whole "antisemite" deal when it comes to criticizing Israel.

Seems to me the reason why RP supporters are so often labelled as "kooky" is because many advocate non-interventionism (I was called crazy by many for not jumping on the 'Kony 2012' bandwagon, for example). To many Americans, we always need to be at war with somebody or something, and to suggest otherwise is naive/nuts/siding with the enemy/et cetera.

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