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Natural Antimicrobials - Better than a prescription?



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A lot of people are caught up in the 'natural' fallacy

And 'natural' is ambiguous to begin with.

Check out the essay I wrote out called "There are no uniquely natural chemicals as chemical is natural." (My original title in the link sucked).

http://www.dailypaul.com/248434/there-is-no-such-thing-as-na...

Jefferson's picture

Her

comments are backed up by multiple independent studies.

"forget the millions of people that have died from bacterial infections prior to antibiotics."

Actually, silver was used in "mainstream medicine" until about 1938.

Colloidal silver was in common use until 1938. Many remember their grandparents putting silver dollars in milk to prolong its freshness at room temperature. At the turn of the century, scientists had discovered that the body's most important fluids are colloidal in nature: suspended ultra-fine particles. Blood, for example, carries nutrition and oxygen to the body cells. This led to studies with colloidal silver. Prior to 1938, colloidal silver was used by physicians as a mainstream antibiotic treatment and was considered quite "high-tech." Production methods, however, were costly. The pharmaceutical industry moved in, causing colloidal research to be set aside in favor of fast working, more toxic and potentially dangerous drugs.

The Food and Drug Administration today classifies colloidal silver as a pre-1938 drug. A letter from the FDA dated 9/13/91 states: "These products may continue to be marketed . . . as long as they are advertised and labeled for the same use as in 1938 and as long as they are manufactured in the original manner." Some of the manufacturing methods used before 1938 are still used today. An electro-colloidal process, which is known to be the best method, is used.

Contemporary Studies

While studying regeneration of limbs, spinal cords and organs in the late 1970s, Robert O. Becker, M.D., author of The Body Electric, discovered that silver ions promote bone growth and kill surrounding bacteria. The March 1978 issue of Science Digest, in an article, "Our Mightiest Germ Fighter," reported: "Thanks to eye-opening research, silver is emerging as a wonder of modern medicine. An antibiotic kills perhaps a half-dozen different disease organisms, but silver kills some 650. Resistant strains fail to develop. Moreover, silver is virtually non-toxic." The article ended with a quote by Dr. Harry Margraf, a biochemist and pioneering silver researcher who worked with the late Carl Moyer, M.D., chairman of Washington University's Department of Surgery in the 1970s: "Silver is the best all-around germ fighter we have."
(be sure to check the "references" at the bottom of the article and research for yourself)
http://www.dazer.com/silver-1.html

Colloidal silver still is used for in burn wards

Colloidal silver still is used for in burn wards of conventional MD hospitals. Funny how they then turn around and say it's quackery.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

No they don't

They used to use silver sulfadine topically, not colloid silver systemically, on burns, but they figured out that it prolongs healing time and it is no longer recommended.

I was talking topical, not systemic.

Colloidal silver can be used topically as well.

I was correct about it being silver, but not correct. I didn't know it was no longer recommend. But this supports what you are saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_sulfadiazine

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Blood is not a colloid. It is

Blood is not a colloid. It is a solution as well as a suspension. How can you not know that if you know what a colloid is.

It seems implied in your post when you say important bodily fluids are colloids and go on to mention blood so I hope I'm not jumping to conclusions.

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Wrong...

Re: is human blood a colloid or a suspension?

Date: Thu Apr 29 00:47:38 2004
Posted By: Chris Fellows, Lecturer, Chemistry
Area of science: Immunology
ID: 1082823833.Im
Message:
The suspended particles in blood are of the right dimensions for it to be considered a sol, a type of colloid. A colloid can be defined as any 'stable' heterogeneous mixture composed of a continuous phase and a disperse phase of dimensions of the order (approximately) 10 nanometres - 1 micron.

Under normal conditions, blood is stable, and hence is properly referred to as a colloidal suspension. When subjected to extremely high forces as in a centrifuge, it is no longer stable and separates into its components. Sols can be destabilised in many ways (by shearing, heating, addition of a salt, etc.) so that they separate into their components, but this does not mean they were not colloidal to begin with!

Blood is a colloid because it will not suspend into layers like suspensions

You're going to lose this

You're going to lose this argument. A colloid is a solution in which the particles within it remain uniformly distributed. That is not true of blood. Blood cells separate out of a solution of blood quite easily upon standing.

Blood plasma you can probably make a case for but not blood as a whole.

That is not even the best part though. Even if blood is considered a colloid I don't see how colloidal silver would automatically be good for health. Could you cite a study for the 650 number?

As for developing resistance, well bad research again...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2659795/

yep

but beeleeeve in boobies

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

so? before antibiotics some

so? before antibiotics some infections were also cured by amputation. does that make it superior to antibiotics? why are people on the daily paul so afraid of market driven technological and medial advancements. it blows my mind.

Because I worked on clincial trials for Ely Lily

Why are whistle blowers never heeded, but ridiculed in the name of "progress?"
Yes, colloidal silver is safer and more effective than modern antibiotics. There is no arguing the "safety" claim. You will not die of colloidal silver if taken as directed, you may die of ANY prescription antibiotic on the market, one pill can kill you.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

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Where

did I state they were "superior" to antibiotics?

Have you ever heard the saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

I have personal experience with the "market driven" advancements you refer to. I caught a terrible infection (in the hospital btw) after a surgery on my leg, and was close to having it amputated.

After THREE MONTHS (twice the normal course) of the strongest IV antibiotics, carrying around a backpack with bags and pumps, and watching my 27 year experienced infectious disease doctor shrug his shoulders, I decided to try silver. I asked this doctor what he thought about it and he chuckled and said he "wouldn't recommend it."

Well, guess what? I tried it, and 3 weeks later was tested and was NEGATIVE for MRSA.

So, you believe what you want. I know what worked for me. Am I advocating that someone try silver instead of antibiotics? No. Each has it's place.

But, if you actually believe medicine is "market driven" you haven't the foggiest clue of what you are talking about. I've dealt with this big pharma driven, AMA dictated, robotic monstrosity for over 25 years, and I can tell you that many times they have their heads up their asses.

it was implied in your

it was implied in your response. I was pointing out that antibiotics serve a very important purpose that other methods cannot match.

Forget all the people who died from anaphylaxis

My friend was left to die of MRSA in a hospital, they had used all their antibiotics, so they gave him pain killers and basically said "See ya." A friend of his smuggled colloidal silver in and healed him.
Now, tell me how afraid you are of turning BLUE, because that is the WORST side effect you will suffer, and you will only suffer it if you take insane amounts of the stuff that is made the old way. There is a new process that eliminates the blue risk completely. But that risk of death from antibiotics is there every pill you take.
That is more than I want to swallow.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I have a friend whose sister died of MRSA

She was in the hospital for cancer, but it was the MRSA that got her. Antibiotics didn't help her, and got the "you're basically screwed" treatment. They have no more bullets in their gun after they give all the antibiotics that are becoming ineffective.

I used to take Cipro for constant UTIs, but the last time, I could tell that I was getting "floxed". I read the label, and it scared the crud out of me. I keep a stash of Macrobid around that I'm supposed to be taking once a week, but I don't because I don't want to tear my gut up. I should probably be taking garlic instead - I did stave off an infection a couple of days eating minced garlic (I didn't have any capsules around. )

But yeah, once the doctors run out of their "approved" treatments, they will shrug their shoulders. Forget the image of the doctor feverishly working to cure you - the money is in the medicine, not the cure.

I'm calling BS on this story

So you are saying the physicians gave up and left your friend to die? That's a hell of a bold claim. You have a poor track record when it comes to accuracy about medicine, and this seems QUITE likely to be another one of your fairy tales.

Anaphylaxis is the best attack on antibiotics you can come up with? Death occurs in less than 1 in 50,000 due to anaphylaxis to penicillin. That is far, far less than the number of people who died because of bacteria infection before its discovery. Tuberculosis, diptheria, and bacterial enteritis caused 1/3 of all deaths in 1900.

And natural herbal supplements cause anaphylactic reactions as well. If there is a chemical, someone somewhere is allergic to it.

If colloidal silver indeed saved your friend's life when all other antibiotics failed, that would be incredible news that medical field would pounce on. There is no massive conspiracy to suppress colloidal silver. Clinical trials have found it to be ineffective.

"medical field would pounce on"

The medical establishment pounce on a natural, non-pharmaceutical remedy? You must be joking. They do all they can to suppress natural cures.

You would do well to watch this.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

"the physicians gave up and left your friend to die?"

It wouldn't be the first time.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

natural antibiotics = big bOObs!

Interesting!

Those do look natural lol......sorry can't help myself

I saw the word natural, and the video thumbnail

Hey someone else said grape fruit.

I know....I am a pig.... sorry

No worries

Haha. No worries. If you are a straight male and this thought didn't cross your mind, you are probably not human.

LOL...dirty minds think

LOL...dirty minds think alike.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Stay Away From Antibiotics Period...

Eat organic if you can afford it. Move away from power poles and electromagnetic equipment if possible and drink fresh spring water.

Get plenty of sunshine and exercise and meditate for stress relief..

Make good friends and read the Daily Paul daily..

Get into your own business..

Live long and prosper my good friends..

Organic is a marketing buzz

Organic is a marketing buzz word, and not much more.

i'm not sure what "get into your own business" means.

for some reading the daily paul daily has made them rather ill because there is so much fear mongering, disinformation, and paranoia that goes on here.

I agree with sunshine, exercise, meditation and friends.

But these things will not help you if you get a life-threatening infection.

Grapefruit seed extract has anti-microbial effects

because they put synthetic anti-microbials onto them. Triclosan is one of these preservatives, which is one of the major active compounds in commercial toothpaste.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10399191

Anti microbial !=Antibiotic

Anti microbial !=Antibiotic though...Is the thread title incorrect?

Antibiotics are anti-microbials

Antibiotics generally mean antibacterial, and bacteria of course are microbes. Antimicrobial is just an umbrella term for antibiotics, antifungals, antivirals, and anti-parasitics. Some chemicals, like triclosan, have a big range.

Technically yeah I guess I

Technically yeah I guess I could give it to you, but yeah, as the words are generally used it swings my way =D