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Adam Kokesh craziness finally exposing anarchists

Adam is a REAL anarchist. Adam is what anarchists have always been throughout history whenever the movements gain anything resembling traction: crazy and discredited. Is this really what you want our movement to be about? Or can you keep your mouth shut for the rest of your natural life so we can achieve libertarianism and put the craziness to one side?




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I commend AK. Adam is a doer

I commend AK. Adam is a doer and it is high time to rock the boat. Be it through agorist means, or Direct Action missions such as the one he has planned. Be not concerned what the state and its lapdog media will say or do. They both are proven illegitimate, irredeemable and irreconcilably lost.

I don't know what the outcome will be, though if I were not a homeschooling dad on the left coast I would attend. Hell, I'd probably do it in my USMC Dress Blue Uniform. Most certainly a few of those wearing badges on the other side of the bridge will be former Marines and the like.

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AK is the guy who first turned me on to Ron Paul

He pushes the envelope and some people may not like his style..but hats off to him.

I love the guy and would die protecting his rights to be himself.

BTW.... he is not a full "anarchist" but a "voluntarist" and an anarcho-capitalist like Lew Rockwell.

Even so... the purest form of anarchism is conditioned by our statist brainwashing that it is complete chaos...when in reality most anarchists are peaceful....they just don't want governmental control.

I share their concerns. Most liberty lovers, should share the same.

This forum duly downvoted.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I like the fact that Adam is

I like the fact that Adam is participating in the some good old civil disobedience. He is not doing harm to anyone and will take full responsibility for anything his actions. Now the real anarchists calling themselves police may go haywire and play shoot em up, for no reason at all. But that is on them.

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

Dear OP. Kindly slurp my

Dear OP. Kindly slurp my butt. Id take 1 Kokesh over 1000 whiners. At least he's doing something.

The Founders ...

must have been bat shit - tin foil hat wacko to think they could go up against the most powerful nation ( EMPIRE ) in the world and WIN ?!!?!

What is Adam thinking

In other news the national motto of "In God We Trust" to be changed to " Sit down and shut up" ... more at 11

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

This is what I consider crazy ....

Wah, wah, wah 2nd Amendment, right to self defense, wah, wah, wah.

Actually exercise it and participate in an armed protest? Actually defend oneself? No thanks ...

Wah, wah, wah 1st Amendment, right to peacefully assemble and redress for grievances, wah, wah, wah.

Actually peacefully assemble without obtaining permission to redress a grievance? No thanks ...

Wah, wah, wah (insert issue, travel, marry, sell, etc.) ...

Actually do ___(insert activity opposing issue without permission)___? No thanks ...

And what is the reason for all the no's? Is it because mankind is more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed?

Albert Einstein's assertion crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition I subscribe to.

In another thread I posed the question after the march what will have changed? The answer is those who are there or witness the event will change one way or another for having lived it and that is the only change that really counts.

The reason for all the "no's" is that people understand the

only thing left to us is to start shooting - literally.

And most people don't want to start shooting.

Most people just want to get on with their lives. They don't want to be involved in a fire fight. They don't want to die, even if it means they take a one or two jackbooted bastards with them.

The tyrants of this world, and there are many in your every day life, will never back down.

They cannot be brought to justice.

Therefore the only way to live without them turning you into a slave is to kill them.

They have made it so, they have backed everyone into this corner.

But most people just don't want to start killing others, no matter how evil those others are, no matter how bad the daily assaults and how heavy the oppression.

This is why tyranny has been the norm for all of human existence - because thugs know full well that most people are "good" people and do not want to kill others.

Thugs know they can and will get away with murder, because NO ONE is going to stop them because they will not stop until someone kills them.

I don't expect this situation to magically change - ever.

There is no mechanism to change it.

Government will always be populated with thugs and thugs will always form a "government" where none exists.

Freedom and Liberty are illusions we can never attain, because the only way to attain it is to perpetually exterminate any thug who arises - no matter how petty.

And most people just won't do that because it isn't in their nature to do so.

There are Sheep, there are Wolves, and there are Sheep Dogs.

The true Sheep Dogs are acting like Sheep.

The Wolves have lied to themselves that they are the "real" Sheep Dogs.

The Sheep are being eaten alive.

This isn't going to change.

Maybe the true Sheep Dogs will do something - I highly doubt it.

And as long as they don't, continue to expect more "no's" when you ask why people don't do something.

People don't want to fight this large of a battle all alone.

And right now, the Sheep Dogs' absence and silence mean all the Sheep really are - ALONE.

Adam Kokesh is an anarchist

who is definitely about to get shot. I'm an anarchist who probably won't get shot anytime soon. Don't lump us all together.

Defend Liberty!

I rarely post on the DP anymore....

This site has gone to hell, and ignorant, ill-informed, and unintelligent posts such as yours, BmoreBrawlerarte a good reason why.

What is freedom? Freedom is the right to choose; the right to create for
yourself the alternative of choice. Without the responsibility and exercise
of choice a man is not a man but a member, an instrument, a thing.
-- Archibald Macleish

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"can you keep your mouth shut for the rest of your natural life so we can achieve libertarianism". I think we've tried this for a while and the outcome looks bad. Changing course and ruffling some feathers might be better.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Huh? You can't project the

Huh?

You can't project the actions of a single individualistic voluntarists onto ALL voluntarists. It, you know, contradicts the very concept of individualism!!!

BTW, what are you ranting about. Your post doesn't even mention this "horrible" thing that happened that made you slip into collectivist jibberish. What did this SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL do that you find offensive... and why is it offensive to you?

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

Right on

I concur.

Thanks. I'm still waiting on

Thanks.

I'm still waiting on the OP to state his grievance. What wrong, exactly, has Mr. Kokesh committed that is characteristic of "ALL ANARCHISTS".

Did he initiate physical violence to force his will onto another? Does his exercise of one BIG LAW put him in the situation of breaking another (contradictory) little law?

What's the complaint of the Original Poster? I'm not being a sm@rt@$$. I don't even want to know the OP's reasoning for judging ALL based on ONE, simply because I know reason doesn't lead to "group-think", prejudice does. I would honestly like to know the OP's specific beef with Mr. Kokesh.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

The libertarian "red line" of

The libertarian "red line" of tyrrany at which violence is remotely acceptable is a well reasoned, balanced one like that in the Decl. Of Independence and Just War Theory. To an anarchist, ANY state is utterly intolerable and therefore it is easier for anarchists inclined to violence to justify violence.

Ventura 2012

violence

There are two categories of violence: Initiatory and Self-defense.

Ok lol

Ok lol

Ventura 2012

...And, if you can't tell the

Yup, well-reasoned, and SIMPLE!!!

Aggressive violence=wrong
Defensive violence= a human right

...And, if you can't tell the difference, just know that it exists.;)

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

totally irrelevant to my

totally irrelevant to my point.

Ventura 2012

Good thing I replied to

Good thing I replied to LimeLemon, then, ain't it?

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

LOL at this tripe... It's

LOL at this tripe... It's always someone else's fault with you guys. Its the anarchists, its the conspiracy theorists, blah blah....

Just more labeling and reinforcing the divide and conquer MO... I am sure it was the same with the Founders... Those damn radicals are preventing the King from treating us nicely it's all their fault especially that radical anarchist Thomas Paine always preaching how society does not need government...

Here is a novel idea next time one of these stupid threads is posted nobody post in it and let it drop off quickly... Don;t get excited over what ever label you identify with being trotted out to grab your attention. Could it be that simple?

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Tripe indeed

Could the obstacle to minachists getting their way be more fundamental, even inherent in the means they pursue ( the political means).

Those are rhetorical questions because their means are trying to get the lion to lie down with the lambs, for the psychopaths to reform their psycho-pathy.

Once again BmoreBrawler doesn't Get Voluntaryists

The Non Aggression Principle, Self Ownership, Private Property,

What you do not like is that Adam is directly challenging the rulers, and in effect saying your entire edifice of the state is a sham, it is only supported by the indolent, the dupes, and the knaves (willing accomplices). In order to defeat the state all that is needed is to show it's true weakness by openly thwarting its minions.

I would not do what Adam is doing but he has every principled reason to do it.

What I want to know Bmore is are you thoroughly with the anarchists of the free market type, in supporting non aggression (self defensive force only), self ownership, and property that is truly yours ( not rented from the state - real estate taxes). If you subscribe to these principles the logical progression of beleifs is to be a free market voluntaryist.

When I think about people of your persuasion I think that they have a cognitive dissonance about the principles they hold or a willful ignorance.

If you are annoyed by anarchists, then at least this anarchist looks at you with annoyance for your pushing your beliefs as the "WAY" to liberty.
Get over this belief.

You want to beg the MAN for your liberty, it will not work, you should read
Our Enemy, the State by Albert Jay Nock

Rules versus Rulers

What Bmore needs to understand is that when there are rulers, there are no rules.

Rulers are the only ones who are allowed to violate self-ownership and property rights -- this creates chaos.

In order to have rules, you need to abolish rulers.

There is nothing the state can do, which society needs done, that cannot be done far better by the peaceful market.

You need to rethink this

You need to rethink this statement.

Ventura 2012

Well

The problem with Adam.

I watch Adam, I don't agree with everything he believes but he does make a lot of strong and good points worth noting and using.

Complete loss of government tends to lead to a gap which leaves those seeking power to fill, it's human nature to follow it seems and someone will always try to take advantage of a situation.

The problem with radical beliefs is that they get used. Anarchists get used by governments as a tool (in fact the are 'allowed to spring into being') to ridicule.

I saw him mentioned in an anti-gun article on an Australian news website (first time) for his gun rally. They use him as the 'crazy' to criticise.

You want to be helpful to the libertarian moment but not be used as a tool by those who oppose the beliefs.

If there's one trend among

If there's one trend among most anarchists, besides maybe 1 or 2 here and Tom Woods, its that it is ALL about them. Not the movement. I understand as well as anyone the desire to just speak my mind about what I perceive to be the truth no matter what the cost but that is just pure ego. We need to be thinking about others. Lives are literally at stake.

Ventura 2012

Is society the tool of

Is society the tool of people.... or are people the tools of society?

Anyone championing freedom aids other people... Whether they do it for selfish or selfless reasons does not matter. Intentions don't affect the physical world.

"I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

We all have different..

Ideas about how to achieve Liberty...His plan isn't mine...But I cheer him on to challenge any illegitimate power structure..

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