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Kokesh literally said that

Kokesh literally said that that was the goal, LOL.

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If the gov decides to start firing on these men, I somehow doubt they are going to win. The march would turn into a whole lot of really pissed off sniper teams going a'hunting for politicians.

The gov doesn't want this. They are preparing for civil unrest across the states, hoping for a nice, easy round-up of political dissedents to their camps after they turn off the water and power. They are "not" prepared for a mass scale armed incursion into DC.

My guess is that with a big enough turnout, Kokesh and his fellows will march peacefully through town, and exit as promised. The Government, seeing the sheer numbers gathered will "condone" the march to save face, and pretend like they aren't opposed to it.

Face It

Most people are cowards & would rather sit behind the Computer & Complain about the Government. Adam has balls. I give the man a ton of respect. This is something all Americans should do. Playing Politics hasn't worked.

Craziness

Is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a new result. How's that "working within the system" thing working out for you, B'more? You've figured a way to win a rigged game? Do tell.

I'm disappointed in you. Explain how this post is NOT pure ad hominem?

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LOL speaking of logical

LOL speaking of logical fallacies, how about your false dichotomy? Just because voting D or R is fail doesnt mean this attention whoring is a good strategy.

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Did I say any such thing?

I did not. I happen to agree with you, that Kokesh's attention whoring is unlikely to accomplish anything good.

My complaint is not with your criticism of Kokesh or his strategies; it is with your mischaracterization of anarchy, per se, and your ad hominem attack on anarchists in general.

First of all, you should realize that Kokesh's march is not an anarchist strategy at all. A protest march?!? Begging the masters to let us please keep our rifles -- while they are armed with tanks, automatic weapons, drones, missiles and fighter-bombers? It's a purely political maneuver; not a rejection of state authority at all, but an insistence that the rulers obey their own purported rulebook (the Constitution & Bill of Rights). So all your ranting about Kokesh being a "real" anarchist is pure malicious nonsense.

For a REAL anarchist's take on violent rebellion, may I recommend David Friedman's very short essay "Revolution IS The Hell Of It," in that book you plan to read someday.

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Adam's march = another Kent State....

The consensus is already in....the majority of the movement does not think this is a WISE MOVE....

The American People, who we are trying to court, in order to apply PRESSURE upon the sitting government, will NOT think kindly of this movement after such an event!

To downvote every critic in double-digit numbers is NOT support for AK...it is trollmanship....

it is a disagreement of ones

it is a disagreement of ones views, and know that it probabably would have been more, if there are folks like me who disagree with you, yet chose not to downvote you.......

Sometimes, when folks lose complete faith in the system to heal itself, they either give up, or they march on the white house.....no one is advocating violence, in fact, as someone who supports those who choose to attend, i hope they do someone like ghandi proud, there is nothing wrong with civil disobedience, even with the possibility of something going wrong, if we dont attempt change, which this is, then we'll never get anywhere, and more so then not, if the old guard are not ferreted out first and foremost......i have some trust for the likes of amash and rand, but considering what happened in tampa, i dont think i'd personally ever trust the republican party in its entirety, still kinda hoping the best of the best breaking off and starting an independant party, as i wouldnt trust the two sides to the same coin parties as far as i could throw them.

well, that is just my opinion, and i can respect those who view things differently, hell, at the end of the day, the roads taken may be different, but were all more or less driving to the same location

"Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust":
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."
Francis Scott Key- 1814

Apply pressure upon sitting Government you say

Guess what, they stopped listening a longtime ago.

Care to elaborate

as to why you disagree with him?

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We're not at the stage in

We're not at the stage in this movement where something like this will be effective. There isnt that sense of urgency. The Courts will do everything they can to make sure stunts like this wont happen.

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News flash

Thomas Jefferson was an anarchist. You hold on to that collective mindset that we must be libertarians together. Some of us have had it with this government. That doesn't make us anarchists. And if you're just some government troll trying to smoke out people you deem a threat... I don't live in Boston, and 'shelter in place' down here is a foxhole filled with a bunch of pissed off Texans. Police state thugs don't even scare a hair on my freedom loving ass.

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Thomas Jefferson may have

Thomas Jefferson may have been a philosophical anarchist, but since anarchy is quite impractical, he was really more of a libertarian.

Not sure I agree with AK either, but

someone has to take that stand. And should his actions be mistakes, then the rest of us can learn from them and get a clearer perspective of how to proceed peacefully.

So, as much as I completely identify with your frustration of being misrepresented, we aren't all grouped under some unified label that defines the entire movement. What if instead of condemning his activism methods, a counter or complimentary demonstration can be organized of unarmed people heading to the same place in DC and joining or leading AK's march. I don't know, that's just a thought off the top of my head.

No matter what happens, the end result is always in our favour. We cannot predict the impact these waves of change will have but we can always be prepared to surf.

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There comes a point where one

There comes a point where one HAS to stand up for their rights, or they no longer exist! Adam has reached this point. The world would be a better place if more people had the courage to reach this point sooner.

For a second

I thought FreedomsReigning got unbanned.

What's with the "real" argument? Been seeing that one pop up a lot lately.

I'm not too fond of Adam's idea, but to use him to paint everyone under the 'Anarchist' label as "crazy and discredited" is no different than when the MSM does it to Ron Paul supporters.

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Haha

Same here.

When I saw that straw man of a title, I was almost positive that it would be FreedomsReigning with a new account.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

LOL me too!

That dude was ratchet.

"For a second

I thought FreedomsReigning got unbanned."

LOL! That was my exact reaction when I saw the post topic in the "Most Viewed" list. Seriously folks, Brawler is far more civilized and intelligent than FreedomsReigning. He does not typically resort to ad-hominem attacks and insults, and certainly not threats. He was, however, the official "anti-anarchist" before we were blessed with FreedomsReigning.

yeah

Even FreedomsReigning seemed like a fairly intelligent and reasonably polite person until (his perception of) Anarchy came up in the conversation-- then he'd turn into Bill O'Reilly.

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Brawler

I can point to many self-described "minarchist" sellouts from my days in the Libertarian Party, such as Bruce Cohen, who ran for Congress and advocated for the Iraq War and in favor of bringing back the military draft. Is that to say that everyone who describes himself as a "minarchist" is a sellout? Of course not! There are many consistent minarchists, such as Jacob Hornberger of the Future of Freedom Foundation. My point is, that one cannot judge the value of an idea from the personalities and quirks of its self professed adherents. So please quit making blanket statements about anarchism and anarchists.

P.S. - My own take on Adam Kokesh is that he is a little bit crazy, perhaps from taking a little too much DMT. One thing I'll say for him though is he's got a heck of a lot of guts.

Because the logical extension

Because the logical extension of libertarianism is NOT the Iraq war. The logical extension of "the state is a gang of thieves writ large" IS violent revolt which is what Adam is saying. An anarchist activist like Adam is always at the point of 1776 because ANY government to an anarchist is an intolerable imposition. Whereas libertarians know that there is a point but not every level of government is that point(see Declaration).

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The logical extension of libertarianism

is probably what we see in Washington DC today. Our country was founded on libertarian principles. The founders thought that government could be limited, tied down by chains of the Constitution to a few powers for the protection of individual rights . . . and two hundred years later, here we are. None of the important provisions of the Bill of Rights have actually been repealed -- but none of them have stopped the rulers from overriding them whenever convenient in their quest for ever-expanding power and plunder.

The "logic" of ALL government is to GROW, because power naturally attracts men who wish to wield power. Such men are never pleased to see their power diminish, but work tirelessly to increase it . . .

"Limited government" has failed. It has brought us to where we are today.
Recognizing the state as a gang of thieves writ large does not necessarily lead to violent revolt, any more than widespread atheism necessarily leads to church-burning. Let those who wish to be slaves, keep their masters. Those of us who wish to be free will find ways to make the state irrelevant to our lives.

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Anarchy is the answer.

Anarchy is the answer.

Saying we need "just a little bit" of government is akin to saying we need "just a little bit" of slavery.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

LOL

Josh, is that your creation? It's darned funny!

LOL

No, it's just one I found earlier on google images.

but I did make these two earlier today:

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

You need to explain better

On why his behavior was crazy. Probably some Alex Jones fans thumbed this down again, but they're justified if that's the case.

You really didn't explain why the initiative was crazy, or damaging. and you just opened up the opportunity for your opponents to attack you with something like "then will we shut up when they take away us guns?" or something similar.

Case point, you should've explained how his objective serves no purpose in effectively having a long-term revolution, and will only provoke as it is actually LAW to not have guns in D.C., thus giving him the label of "criminal".

Not to mention, you could have explained that he is desperate for a change, the guy discredited himself in the past for drastically changing his view...

Both conspiracy theoriest and the "normal folks" need better delivery of their message, lol.

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