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The Bradley Manning Liberty Torch Parade, Now Joining The Kokesh March!

"The outcry surrounding SF Pride's snubbing of Bradley Manning as an honorary Grand Marshal in the 2013 parade has the potential to unite every faction of the freedom movement from R3\/0Lution to Occupy.

Concerns about the police state, indefinite detention, and NDAA together with a strong desire for universal, hard-core liberation (as opposed to vanilla "equality") ignited in outrage when the Pride committee announced its ill-fated decision, and now a bold coalition of freedom advocates has emerged with a beautiful vision for a parade of liberation that will dwarf the pride board's pitiful attempt to squelch any "hint" of support.

The Bradley Manning Liberty Torch Parade would begin in San Francisco, with the Bradley Manning contingent proudly igniting the flame of freedom and carrying it in the parade. But instead of stopping there"....

read the rest of the article at - http://outrightusa.org/joomla25/blog/256-the-bradley-manning...

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on a practical note

How do they intend to carry it across the country in 5 days? I think a motorcycle parade is in order.

double post

Sorry double post


Government employees on power

Government employees on power trips screwing over their employers is what I am most enraged about.

I only have one small issue with this idea

Does Bradley Manning consent to having his name on this? Seems to me, he has stuck his neck out enough on his own, he does not need well-intended people making his life any harder.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.



The problem is there is no such thing as "gay rights,"

only individual rights. Being part of a certain group does not afford you any "rights."

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what does that have to do with anything?

Am I missing something? This is essentially a response to the SF Pride board rescinding the decision to have Bradley Manning as the Honorary Grand Marshall of the SF Pride event. So it is a protest of the SF Pride Board AND a way to Honor Bradley Manning. So, this post is not about gay "rights". Gay people deserve all the same rights afforded to everyone else for what that is worth.

This event is also a way to bring out all the issues like the NDAA, indefinite detention, what we are doing in these wars, and other issues that we can all agree on.

Now the question is are there enough people who actually care enough to make it happen.


I was setting up a charity for chicken ranchers rights. My chickens have 17 acres to free range on, but they insist on CROSSING THE ROAD. Enough avoiding the hard questions, spinning the truth... I demand my right to know why. The government has to fix this for me. I have rights, you know.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.


link our movement to militant homosexual activism, that it the antithesis to patriotism and REAL American Liberty whereas they LABOR to hewn down the indispensable supports of religion and morality, that is NECESSARY to good government!

Of what moronic onus does this cause think that we can make our disgust with tyrannical government, who we indict for violating our God-given rights like our founders before us, better known and popular by joining hands with radical God-haters hellbent on the destruction of the family???

Our brilliant strategy now is to ride the wave of immorality and open rebellion against the Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence? This is our definition of courage, now? What type of Patrick Henry "standard of rebellion" is this? Who is our enemy, those who violate the rule of law and the Constitution, or the Creator who "... made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is"?

This is exactly what those loons did in the 60's...no God, no rules, no moral code of conduct governing personal behavior...same cycle...dupes of satan; rebelling against the God of our founders because a handful of unregenrated professing Christians openly violate the very tenets if their purported faith by brazenly lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering...that is NOT biblical Christianity, we KNOW that...but it doesn't mean the laws of nature, and of nature's God are not binding and knowledge of these has been made manifest in the hearts of ALL men created equal!

Things like this lead me to believe this movement is morphing into another God-hating hippie movement...we've seen this before...and those who led it, now in power, have shown us that communism, dethroning God and instilling government, is their goal!

Communists USE homosexuals to advance their so-called reputation of tolerance, but in the end, they will exterminate the homosexual and their so-called rights to engage in the unnatural without shame, just like the Islamic theocrats do!

My gosh folks, the split between what Ron Paul stands for(his path to Liberty), and this path couldn't be further apart!!! The Godless will ONLY lead us to hell on Earth!


Dude, When are you going to get it?

You are not part of our movement. You're not even a Christian.

Christians are tolerant!!!!!!!!


when I violently I attack a gay person physically...

...like the gays do to, have been known to do to street preachers...let me know again who is intolerant...

And please, don't tell Christians how to be Christian...

If the homosexual does not change his mind about his sin, he will die in that sin and his soul will go to hell...perhaps you SUPPORT a war against the Muslim countries where homosexuals are condemned to death for committing acts of sodomy?

Human Rights, right? "liberty"? The right to condemn, punish, bring into submission people's personal beliefs and religious convictions that you disagree with, think are irrelevant, antiquated, stupid, bigoted etc.?

The behavior is against nature, against the Creator...until that Creator is dethroned, His law condemns the behavior, and the homosexual must turn from that sin, to God, for forgiveness and salvation by believing on the risen savior who suffered, bled, and DIED in their place at the cross of Calvary!

If Christ did not rise from the grave, victorious over death and hell, then there is NO GOOD NEWS to share with the homosexual, the drunkard, the wife-beater, the fornicator, the liar, the thief, or the murderer....is there?

We're more than tolerant, as God is longsuffering towards all sinners alike....and thus...we uphold His Gospel; and stand in opposition to the public support for lawlessness....

It is agaisnt YOUR nature!

How about these folks?
"Males with penile agenesis but normal testes are of otherwise normal male appearance. Males with testicular agenesis tend not to produce the reproductive hormone 5aDHT at any stage of their lives. As a result, they tend toward prepubescent appearance, with infantile skin texture, developing little body hair particularly in the crotch area, even vellus hair. Without genitalia of either sex, the perineum is therefore left smooth. Also muscular development is retarded and testicular agenetics are of rather frail build with short limbs and small hands and feet. However certain male features are results of other male gender-marker hormones, androgens, which develop male secondary sex characteristics, among which features are the deepening of the voice and facial hair."

Who does their Creator demand they have sex with? What if they feel more like a woman than a man, due to the hormoe train wreck they were CREATED with?
And I assure you, none of the sensitive, caring gay people I know ever hit anyone. Although if I heard you spewing your hate on the street, I might be tempted to take a swing at you.
Love the sinner, hate the sin ring ANY BELLS?
PRAY IN YOUR CLOSET like your savior advised, you will be a better person for it.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I love how you guys think you have ANY grounds,

knowledge, wisdom to tell Christians how to be Christian....

A Christian is a FOLLOWER of Christ, you know, the one who rose from the dead.and was seen by more than 500 witnesses?

Don't let my terse resuscitation of MY FAITH IN HIM be your excuse for NOT investigating His claims or His Words....

Lose the MSNBC Christianity game too, that's a loser argument.

John 1:1 says Jesus is the WORD....if you don't KNOW that Word, then don't even try to argue with me or condemn me....you heap to yourself the viewpoints of those who tell you what you WANT to hear, what aligns with your self-conceited opinions about God and Jesus Christ....which...are most likely NOT TRUE...

Funny you would join a "truth movement" and viscously attack truth that you CANNOT disprove...

Did " the LORD [make] heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is [in six days]"?, I think He did....did He forever change the topography of this planet in a great cataclysmic event known as Noah's flood approximately 4400 years ago BECAUSE He saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually..", I think He did.....

...and if YOU, or any man, any king, politician, potentate threatened to cut my head off, or burn me at the stake for NOT denouncing my allegiance and belief that THAT Creator is higher than ALL of us, and His ways are higher than ALL we could ask or think; I would not recant....

...some truth movement you got yourself there....seems like a self-preservation movement to justify your transgressions, and through envy, seek to rule rather than uphold the rule of law that is binding upon ALL mankind; that law transcends your rationalization for open immorality and murder of babies and acts of unnatural lusts between the haters of God....

That's not Liberty, that's a death sentence!

It is my understanding

That we must bring people closer to god through love and kindness. Not judgment and cruelty. We are all sinners, and all capable of receiving forgiveness for our sins. It is one thing to accept sins for the sake of tolerance and another thing altogether, to love for the sake of god. No one is telling you that you have to embrace what you consider to be unholy. Just that men are not unholy, only their sins. And they should never be condemned for them, just as god has not condemned you for yours.

Jesus is the word.

You seem to worship the word Jesus.


Matthew Chapter 7

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Your preoccupation with the sins of others prevents you from being righteous in your own virtues. You show neither temperance nor humility. There are many words for you, but "kind" is not one of them.

Amazing how you can tell who is following Christ and who is not

Does he whisper in your ear? Or send you emails?
You ignore biological fact to go on a self righteous rant in an apparent dead-dog determination to make foes of people who agree with you on far more than we disagree.
Shall I bump that video again, so you can self-righteously ignore it and carry on telling us all how Godlike you are and what heathens we are? When they actually start locking up the Christians, shall those of us who turned our backs on the evil and corruption of the CHURCHES rejoice, since you will be getting back with your Savior real soon? Or shall we defend your right to spew your ANGER and HATRED while you tell me how Christlike you are? Because I would do that foryou. I think you are about as full of yourself as a human can be, and I think half of what you say is nonsense, but I'd defend your right to say it, unless you just can't be associated with a sinner like me.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Liberty is for every one,

not just for people that fit your ideals. I say welcome aboard.


I was actually going to respond with something of substance, but what's the point? You are without a doubt the most intolerant, bigoted zealot on this site. I find you to be a disgusting and abhorrent person, and you use your religion as a soapbox to voice your hate, and as a shield from any and all incoming criticism. It is people like you that have turned American Christianity into the joke/target it is today.

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...and the founders were MORONS...

...for being schooled in, and lauding Christian principles...

They don't come any dumber than your ilk...seriously, grow a pair and assault our founders and framers you uneducated fool!

The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it.
Noah Webster

Revolutionaries my a**; your unrelenting dismissal of the founders direct citations of biblical wisdom as the path to peace and prosperity is dumbfounding.

I was already talked out of quitting the DP once, by a moderator who could see my knee-jerk emotions had gotten the best of me for the moment...but surely, since the balance has clealy shifted to outright rebellion against God;
this site is truly without hope...

My problem isn't with Christianity

No, my problem is with YOU, and the fact that YOU constantly use Christianity to attack others, then use it as a shield when someone calls you on it.

How much further must I dumb this very basic point down until you get it?

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than ATTACK the founders...

...and their preachers, pastors, and seminary teachers....

You guys PRETEND to hold up the torch of Liberty, and you think it is NOT a privilege granted unto man, in exchange for man's obedience and reverence for the LIFEGIVER...

The Life part comes BEFORE the Liberty part....

I don't give two rips that you guys do not like my delivery....what's right is right....and Obama is in power BECAUSE guys like you put him there with your anti-God mindset and lack of knowledge of what biblical Christianity is, and what our FOUNDERS instructed us to do!!!


Admit it, the CURE is putting Statesmen in power; and if it weren't for Ron Paul's reverence for the Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence, he would have been NO statesman at all.....

There will be NO LIBERTY for the nation who cannot behave itself in a virtuous manner, with God's Word as it's guiding light! Our founding makes that case better than I ever could...and we have LOST our right to self-governance because of our sin and lack of reverence for THE Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence....period!


Most of you don't know what Christianity is....and if you want to know, start with the book our founders studied, not organized religion, K-street lobbyists from the right, nor ME and my "bad example"....


"I do not believe in the

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." -Thomas Paine

"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!""

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." -John Adams

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -James Madison

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." -Ben Franklin

The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.

Let me spell this out for you

because you obviously still don't get it. Or more likely, don't *want* to get it because you have such a massive ego. Very common among self-righteous pricks, I hear.

Even if you were not a Christian, I'd still think you were a disgusting human being, because you are extremely bigoted, hateful, and frankly, stupid. If anything, you ABUSE Christianity. Notice how I don't attack Cyril, deacon, or any of the other Christians who, you know, actually practice what they preach? Do you want to know why? Because unlike you, they're not intolerant, hateful douchebags!

You're either too stupid, or too arrogant to ever understand anyone else's point of view besides your own. I'm done wasting time on you.

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I would like to be your ally, but you have to stop spitting on me.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Not all gay people are

Not all gay people are God-less. Ron Paul himself would tell you that, along with the importance of building "coalitions" as he has said so many times.

Think of it this way, if there was an openly gay or atheist Congressman who offered legislation supporting/strengthening the 2nd Amendment, do you think Ron Paul would vote against it simply because of who the author was? I think not.

these comments are much more measured than mine,

...but truly, you guys are a joke if you think one supportive position by a reprobate who puts the male sex organ where it does not belong equates to American Liberty girded with lasting WISDOM.


Homosexuality is open rebellion AGAINST God...don't tell me they're in any way aligned with God and our founders original intent....a Republic, IF WE CAN KEEP IT, not by some superficial, self-serving, invented, and contemporary understanding of the laws of nature by those who don't want to do the HARD WORK required to preserve our American way of life!

This is truly the battle of our lifetime, and the double-minded will be blown away without remedy. Don't presume to speak for Ron Paul and whether or not God is not angry with the wicked homosexuals attacking the pure faith of our founders with reckless aggression, rooted in insanity, with THIS government's blessing and FULL support.

Violence is right around the corner, this is but a historic cycle in human history.

As far as your first little

As far as your first little paragraph there, thanks for putting words in my mouth, but I said nothing of the sort. As far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to support the Second Amendment, I really couldn't care less who they like to kiss.

Out of curiosity, do you also promote the enforcement of these Laws as voraciously as the no-homo one, or are you just obsessed with male-male penetration?

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle.

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field.

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric.

Don't cut your hair nor shave.

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die.

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death.

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed.

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people"

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death.

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake.

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God.

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community.


The Creator is THAT serious about His hatred of sin.....what consequences did you have in mind for the perpetrators of 9/11 and those complicit in the cover up?

Are you entitled to that level of that disgust and intolerance for acts of terror?

Can I be just as angry at the abortionist, the politicians who condone it, the parents who consciously decide to snuff out that life?

You guys and your rubber ruler for moral standards to justify your sins for a season are truly lacking in both judgment and COURAGE in this struggle for the restoration if the Liberty our founders intended.

PatriotsUnderGod, do you

PatriotsUnderGod, do you think that an individual can be considered gay, ONLY if they've had gay sex? Or do you think an individual can be gay even though they've never had sex?