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Pro-Palestinian Ad pisses off Jews and the ADL.

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Seem you forgot Israel won Gaza, and returned it

I think America's occupation of indigious people's lands is far worse.

Are You Jewish?

I thought you were catholic. What is this deep loyalty you seem to have for the jews and Zionists? I don't get it. You are always talking about freedom yet you constantly jump to the Zionists defense on every thread that opposes them or so much as points out the stuff they do. THEY have everything to do with how the world is screwed up so what's the deal? Are you pro-liberty or not? You make no sense to me. Please watch "The Ring Of Power" and see what you think.

skippy

No

I am Catholic, and as a Catholic, I believe Western Religion will be free as long as Israel exists.

To me, God is freedom and Truth with Reason. The World belongs to Satan, lies are the way of the World, war is the way of the World as it was, is and will be.

I don't agree that THEY screwed everything up, I believe everything has always been screwed up since Adam.

I was baptized Catholic as a baby.. avoided Catholicism and being spiritual, explored other religions. Ron Paul opened my mind.. something he said, and my Mother's death, my God Mother encouraged me to go to her Church. I was home.. So I was confirmed two years ago. I adore my Church.
Is this about Masons? The Grange was established by Masons.. and to be honest.. it's a shame we are losing what they gave us because they gave us a means to take care of each other outside of Church and government. I'll watch it.. if you think it's going to helpo me understand what this opposition is to a Israel's freedom.

Ring of Power .. this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGfUKopOiKU

The lord created earth and

The lord created earth and everything on it. To say Earth belongs to satan is blasphemy.

How so?

Didn't Jesus say, My kingdom is not of this world?

Comments that are based on what Buddy J "said"

mean zilch to me. Its not just government propaganda and historical lies that need to be overcome...its all irrational thinking that needs to be countered by free thinking people who follow the truth...whereever that may lead.

I know its difficult and emotionally painful to "let go of god" but the contagious madness perpetrated on the people through the use of religion allows otherwise sane individuals to accept insane and inhumane acts.

Leviticus 21:9
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

Isaiah 13:15-18
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

Ezekiel 9:5-7
“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.

ARRGH...

If it means ziltch.. why quote?

Irrational thinking... who defines what is "irrational thinking?"

My father was an Objectivist, and I dabbled in religion, joined many, left many.. pretty much was an Athist most my life.. not agnostic.. Became a Catholic 3 years ago, and I'm home. LOVE it.

I am not offended or put off by any belief system including atheism.. We all have our lessons. Catholics believe you are only a believer by the GRACE OF GOD. Not all people are meant to be believers, and not all believers are meant to be Catjholic or whatever. I LOVE the diversity.

As for your scriptures.. then came Jesus and OUT with the old coventent and in with the new. THANK YOU JESUS!

Peace be with you.

Yeah That One BUT,

If you had watched all 29 parts of it you would have learned that the Zionists rule the world and involves the Rothchilds, the Vatican, and that the Zionists have been infiltrating all the races of the world since Mesopotamia and Egypt. Call them what you want, they are Zionists. I can't abide Christianity because it teaches that war is good and the jews are the chosen. Naturally the jews are going to say they are the chosen, THEY WROTE THE BIBLE.

skippy

Which Bible?

Christ said All those who have faith are chosen.

Wrong Granger, Israel STILL

Wrong Granger,

Israel STILL occupies Gaza cause it controls its borders, its port and its airspace. The Gazans were even recently forbidden from importing chickpeas, one of their staples.

Like

America occupies Mexico because we control the border?

Wonder how many Mexican crops didn't pass into the USA because it wasn't labled correctly?

Their side of the border is

Their side of the border is controlled by them. Gazans have no control over their side. Try again.

won?

according to "intl. law" conquests are not valid. it's illegitimate. an occupation. so getting out isn't something to be patting them on the back for.

and that was just as terrible too.. it's like you think i'm saying that's somehow morally acceptable. if this was the year 1620, i would be calling bullshit on them too. last i checked it wasn't even my great grandfather that gave pox-ridden blankets to any Comanche. but if my grandfather stole the house i lived in and the people were still alive, damn right i'd leave it in a heartbeat. even if i didn't have anywhere else to go. and that's the difference between the situations..

victims of the Nakba are still alive. jews now live in their houses. they destroy Palestinian houses for no reason. steal land daily.

but that's the game. take what you can get and wait long enough for people to view it as legitimate simply because reversing the program would be too impractical.

they're just taking our playbook of imperialism line by line and making adjustments for modernity. nothing new.

According to International Laws like the UN's?

So you would side with the UN over Israel?

The difference between the situations is that the Israelis were dumped on that land by nations who wanted to purge the Jews .. they destryed the Jews homes, business, temples, murdered them, imprisoned them and dumped them on Israel saying fight to your deaths.

Americans wanted the land, took it and refuse to allow Indians to do what they want with their land TODAY. If this is BS, and YOU LIVE here, why not fight for them NOW?

Everyday, Jews from other nations come to Israel and buy land from Palestinians who KNOW it is illegal to sell.. and they take the money and then run to the authorites and claim the settlers did this and that..

Those who hate Israel are VICTIMS OF DECEPTION for a NWO.

"So you would side with the UN over Israel?"

Thats like asking me if I want a shit sandwich or chunky turd soup.

Israel became an independent state in 1948, after Israel was recognised by the United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East.

The back story is research everyone needs to do on their own because it is expansive...but the research I've done indicates that prior to the US involvement in WWII, the international money changers (read zionist jews) promised all the money necessary to the allies as long as they would agree to force the Arabs living (mostly) in Palestine to give up some of their land for the creation of the state of Israel...for the money junkies. CLEARLY, the zionists have the same problem with their desire for land as do with their money...they always want MORE and more is never, ever, enough.

And for the record, when I first started researching how Israel became a state, I was still working on a local AFB supporting the warfighter, I was still attending a christian church every week, and there was no one more blindly supportive of both Israel and American wars to "spread freedom" around the globe. Thankfully, (after 40+ years) I finally pulled my head out of my ass and starting using my own brain to determine what is real and what is an illusion.

In the information age, ignorance is a CHOICE!

And that what the world offers

you have a choice on Earth of a shit sandwich or chunky turd soup.

The age of information in this world is a more shit sandwich and chunky turd soup.

When I started researching how Israel became a state, I was an objectivist, hated all religion, wanted Israel wiped off the map, and attended ANSWER protests and stood with Jews for Palestine.

Ron Paul says Israel should be our best friend. WTF? eh???

Many here don't agree with our hero on this issue, rather, they agree with Ron Paul's greatest enemies. Would be nice if rather than put up a wall to what Ron Paul is saying, they would do more homework.

Ever wonder why there are thousands of anti-Israel links on Google than pro-Israel? Pro-Israel comes from more than the craddle of western religion. And I'm sure you know, not all Christians agree with each other, and expecially Catholics.

I have to go, got homeless to feed.

Have a wonderful day!

Thanks for feeding the homeless. Thanks cool!

I enjoy reading most of your posts and comments on this site. I don't agree with some of them but regardless...if the world were made up of the kind of people that gather here on the DP...I think we would all be much much happier.

You have a wonderful day too Granger!

Ron Paul

said no entanglements. He said to let Israel work out it's own problems.

skippy

Yep

And I agree with Ron Paul!

Hold on a minute there, (((((Granger))))).

"Many here don't agree with our hero on this issue, rather, they agree with Ron Paul's greatest enemies."

And who are Dr. Paul's greatest enemies, if not the Zionist Banksters and the Neocons who feed them?

Seems like you swung from one extreme to the other. Hopefully, the pendulum of your thoughts will eventually settle somewhere in the middle. Until then, (((((Granger))))), tread very carefully. You are not thinking straight on this issue. The image you have of the State of Israel is a false one. You don't realize that you are feeding the Beast.

(((((((((((Nonna))))))))))) You make me LOL THANK YOU

I have NEVER heard Ron Paul say, "Zionist bankers". I just did a Google search.. nothing. What have you got? What I did get was Louis Farrakhan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfasmp-Go4o

Personally, I think Ron Paul does a great job speaking for himself. Don't you? So where do you get this idea? END THE FED.. think that has to do with ZIONISM? I don't.

Who are Ron Paul's greatest enemies? Those who suppress freedom, truth, liberty, and I would not limit that to Zionists bankers. How about Communist Bankers?

How am I seeming to swing from what extreme to what other?

Hopefully we will all learn something from the conversation.

While I conside you a friend ((((Nonna)))) If I ask you, "Do you think I'm thinking straight?" Your answer would be appreciated, but instead, it's an insult.

I am very happy with my image of Israel. I wish I could write better to explain it better, however, I am very pleased.

I once was where you, and many here are now, and why all this is like water off a duck's back.. I have spent far more time protesting, waving signs writing letters against Israel than most here. I was wrong. I bought the NWO BS.. Now it's yours.

Shame on you.

No insult intended, (((((Granger))))). Sorry you took it that

way. The swinging extremes I meant was from your comment about going from atheism and hating Israel to Orthodox Catholicism and Israel can do no wrong.

So, who do you think controls the central banks? Maybe I'm wrong but, I can only know things from my own experiences and observations over many years, until someone corrects me with other evidence.

I agree there is a struggle between different factions for control of the world. The Communists never went away and are taking a stand. Our country is doing the Zionists' bidding, more so than the Communists' bidding, despite OromneyCare. It is the final conflict and both of those groups are, imo, evil. It is getting quite ugly.

I don't hate Israel, nor do I hate any Mulsim country or any other country on the face of the earth, for that matter. I will not have anyone, much less the MSM, decide for me who the enemy nation(s) is (are) on any given day, with spin, false flags and lies. I don't buy into that anymore. Ground zero is too close to home for any bs to poison my brain again. Only when the Christ comes, will the whole world finally know love and peace.

Wow

((((((((Nonna)))))))))))

The ZIONIST charges are conspiracy theory red herrings. I think it's HATE PROVOKING, poor taste, immature, well... I'm not impressed.

I think central banks could give a damn about God, most are atheists, and this goes for many Jews I have met in my life. Take the Jew Ayn Rand as an example.

Many American Jews want NOTHING to do with religion, they don't believe, they are not interested in Jesus, working with Christians to build a NWO, and like many people born into religions, they opt out except for some family ceremony. The NWO is anti-religion. Who controls the Central Banks? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies

I promise you, they are not praying to any God (they pray to money and power) and their interest in Israel is because Israel produces rocket scientists.

The communist agenda has become the NWO.

What's so hard is that there are many globalists who were born into Judaism. they have a Jewish last name, and the last time they set foot in a temple was when someone they knew was being bar or batmizphad.

I happen to know a high profile American (I wrote Jew, but had to erase that).. He is the heir to a globally known diamond company that expanded decades ago to trading museum works.. I told him, "Oh I want to go to Israel. Have you been to Israel?"

He looked at me like I was nuts. He said, "Israel? I've been to Israel twice. Why would you want to go to that rat hole? Don't tell me. You're religious. The religious are THE problem and the sooner Israel is wiped off the map, the sooner the planet can achieve peace." He LOVES Disneyland.. ever notice how they LOVE Disneyland?

You know how so many people admire Craig Paul Craig Roberts (I think he's a dis-ifo agent and should be in prison for his work with Reagan, giving us VooDoo Economics and wars for profit.. he's burned Bush didn't pick him.. and boy does he bash Bush good, eh? People love him because he HATES Bush better than anyone, and he's a Republican) Well, I find that many people who have a Jewsish last name, are not Jewish, Hate Israel, resent Israel and really really want a NWO. Blaming Israel.. making people hate Israel and the USA is all part of the deconstruction of the world's moral values and we think we know (and I can refer to Vatican II, if you will, as part of that deconstruction).

I see the anti-zionist card, a deconstruction card. I do not see any zionist cabal in the central banking, and if all you've got is someone's last name.. well.. to me, that does not mean much, most certainly does not mean they are a Zionist.

What gets me most.. is people who attack Israel, support governments like Palestine and Syria. The people who claim they want FREEDOM and LIBERTY, defend two countries that have neither. Look up their laws.. have you read Palestinian Land Laws? Plaestine makes it harder for Palestinians than the Israeli. You can not sell your land. How would you like it if you were told, you can not sell your land? Is that freedom?

Finally... Love aside ((((((((((Nonna))))))))))) Because I do LOVE you. You have been a FRIEND and I appreciate that from the bottom of my heart. I respect you and your wisdom. <- know that.

There is so much I agree with in your above comment.

Where we part is that I see the "anti-semitism" charges as the red herring. That charge is almost always made by the same people who hold money and power as their "god". Those are the people who, under a pretense of "good", are advancing the hatred and bigotry of both Jews and Muslims. Lots of profit to be made from more wars.

Religion has nothing to do with Zionism. I have known Jewish and Christian Zionists. Some of them (that I've known, but not all) hold their religions up as a front or cover but, do not live their faith. Others of them make no bones about pooh-poohing all religions.

I love and respect YOU, (((((Granger))))). You often give me insights I would have never had, and you make me think, which brings out the best in me. It's good. We can always agree to disagree because, after all is said and done, we still have that love and respect for each other.

I agree with much you have said (((((Nonna)))))

I don't understand why you would say Zionism has nothing to do with religion because to me, Zionism was created to establish Israel as a Jewish (religious) state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Zionism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskalah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel <- if nothing else.. PLEASE READ THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

I believe what were secular zionists, have become the NWO, and that has nothing to do with religion, while the Christian, Gentile, Muslim Zionists want a religious Israel state.

God Bless you and yours and THANK YOU for being MY friend. I count you as a BLESSING in my life (((((((((((Nonna))))))))))))

From my comment: "Some of

From my comment: "Some of them [Zionists] (that I've known, but not all) hold their religions up as a front or cover but, do not live their faith."

Even the most religious Orthodox Jews opposed the formation of Israel because it was NOT in accord with their religion and laws. "No Jewish State without the Messiah!" became their battle cry. They understood what was happening and despised the Zionism that caused it to happen. The sacred "script" was "re-written" to serve as that cover for the real purpose, which has nothing to do with any religion.

True ((((((((Nonna))))))

So, what do you think about the Bedouin, Druze and Circassians?

Did you know that 10% of the IDF are Muslim?

See? You always have things to teach me and

I love it! You'll have to give my brain time to processs the information, so I have no opinion, yet.

Ditto Kiddo

personally Nonna, I think this is one of the most difficult political situations to understand, and I see myself as a student, not a teacher.

It's like we in class trading notes.

I reserve the right to be wrong in hopes to be corrected.

Are you like me, in that, many times I actually hope that I am wrong?

I asked MarcMaddness to send me his "Lions of Liberty" book, PDF. I'm reading it, mentally preparing how to respond.

It's an interesting project that he and his friends took upon themselves in answering Ron Paul's 32 Questions http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul830.html

1) when the UN is being

1) when the UN is being morally consistent, yes. i side with them. still hate the organization. but that doesn't change the fact that they are right on that topic.

2) please share your information with me regarding how all the jews were forcibly dumped into israel.

3) you completely ignored my point.. which was the ACTUAL VICTIMS are still alive in one case and not in the other. which is the whole point.. wait till they're dead and it's too impractical to reverse.

and if i lived near a reservation where this was happening i would. it's outside of my field of vision. but i would absolutely be there. probably chained to a house. you seem to think one negates the other. i don't get it.

4) yea, i'm sure they legitimately sold their homes to some naive israeli official.
http://youtu.be/WCdlMNuRl6E

it's becoming very difficult to take you seriously now.