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LEFTIST activist at a pro-traditional marriage rally: *VIDEO*

Congressman Jim Durkin(R) of Illinois can't make up his mind on traditional marriage....so we sought to help him this past Saturday outside his office.



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Im sorry, how is gay people

Im sorry, how is gay people getting married going to stop you from having a "traditional marriage?"

And how is it that your dumbass view of marriage hasn't been completely gang-raped in every possible position already? They have gameshows on TV where a couple dozen sluts compete to see who gets to marry some rich douche bag as the prize. Hell you can marry a hooker 5 minutes after meeting her in a drive-by chapel in Vegas. What "sanctity" exactly do you zealots think you're protecting?

The "government's" stupid involvement in marriage is 100% about taxes and rights of inheritance. It has nothing to do with the ritual you choose, or anything else. You could think of it as the "engine" under the hood, and the "ceremony" as the car itself. What does it matter if two people who have a lifestyle you don't like sign a marriage contract for tax and inheritance purposes? Its not like they are getting a wedding in your church (if they tried that, then you 100% have the right to tell them to piss off).

You are still 100% free to have a "traditional marriage" for the purposes of boring, dull missionary sex intended for birthing and raising children. Gay people don't want to take that from you. Married swinger couples who get married in titty bars and go to hot orgy parties don't want to take your traditional marriage from you either. Its alllll yours. However those people also have no interested in having their right to sign a contract for tax/inheritance purposes taken from them by a bunch of bible-thumping collectivist zealots via raw democracy.

You are free to go get married in a church, a shopping mall, or a gay bar. You can find a preacher/judge willing to say whatever the hell you want him to say and either live up to, or fail to live up to those vows you choose as you see fit.

Christians with "traditional marriages" get divorced at the exact same statistical rate as "non-christians" with "non-traditional" marriages. I married my wife in a hotel in front of a judge and there was utterly 0 mention of Thor, ZUES!!!, or god anywhere in the entire ceremony.

If the government's going to be involved in marriage for tax/inheritance purposes, then EVERY individual human being is entitled to the EXACT SAME rights and must follow the EXACT SAME laws or else we do not live in an individualistic Republic. Those of you trying to use our collectivist government to FORCE your bible down other people's throats via raw democracy should be ashamed of yourselves. You are the problem. Small minds like yours using FORCE against others.

By the way, in that video, the fat rednecks were clearly the perpetrators, getting into that guys face. He had every right to be mad. Those people make me sick. They should mind their own Thordamned business and leave other people alone.

Speaking of raw democracy...

How do you think the homos and their homosexualist, liberal allies manage to bastardize the definition of marriage in some states? This all comes down to who has the most votes at the end of the day one way or the other. Nobody is stopping homosexuals from having contracts drawn up to provide for shared property, hospital-visitation rights, etc. If two men want to play house and can get a lawyer and a heretical priest to go along with them, nothing's stopping them. But, creating a law as a society to call their union the same name that God called the very first institution God created for the purpose of procreating and raising a family is something I will oppose with my vote every chance I get.

Marriage is biblical

The government co-opted the term for just what you said (revenue). Marriage should be left to the churches, and civil unions (contracts, even) can be issued by government.

Pretty much solves the problem, right?

Or do gay couples want to be "married" in the eyes of the church, as well? Or is it JUST about inheritance/taxes?

I think you're spot on.

I think you're spot on. Government should have nothing to do with it. As it does however, I expect gay couples care JUST about the inheritance/taxes. So long as they aren't granted some government mandate that forces unwilling judges/priests to marry them, I can't blame them.

However I think there's also a large segment of these populations who want to take it a step further and ram it down religeous people's throats. Those that do are in the wrong, but frankly, they hate you.

This entire issue is stupid. Its issues like this that keep us libertarians from completely overwhelming the system. Leftists should be joining us because of our anti-war stances, and our belief in civil liberties. But many of them don't because the view the right (including libertarians thanks to the OP) as homophobic primates who consider anyone who doesn't adhere to their bible as "abomanations" and "heritics."

I wish this issue would die a quick and permanent death, and people would simply realize that no group should recieve special treatment over another based on race, class, or sexual orientation.




Both sides are up in arms because they are both afraid the other side will use government against their side and force them into or out of associations.

Take government out of the equation and you just have a bunch of individuals who can avoid gay marriage or straight marriage as they choose, and who don't lose anything when others associate as they choose.

Both sides are like little retarded kids having tantrums in order to get the parent government to side with them.

Tantrum you say?

First off I don't see many gays trying to ban straight marriage.

Second I have a fiance that lives in another country and I am gay. Laws such as DOMA prevent me from sponsoring them to move here to live with me. I don't want to get married in a church, I don't want the church to sanction it, I just want to be with my loved one.

So I am sorry if just wanting to be with my loved one is a tantrum in your eyes.

Not sure what you mean by

Not sure what you mean by "sponsor." If it's something that involves government licenses or handouts, then you're trying to force people who disapprove of your lifestyle to fund and/or participate in it in some way, which is wrong.

Point is, gays and Christian groups are freaked out about the marriage issue because government is forcing an either/or choice on them. In a natural market setting, the groups would simply not be very concerned with what the other did, and would probably just choose to stay apart from each other except for when they found peaceful economic exchanges advantageous.

This has to do with Immigration

In order to move your spouse to the USA you have to "sponser" them. You have to be engaged or married. DOMA prohibits gays from doing so even if they live in a state where they can get married or a civil union. The thing is I don't want to have to ask the government for permission. I am not the one that wants the law there. I want it gone so I don't need their permission to be with the one I love.

actually, the most "retarded" and childish thing...

...is watching a bunch of libertarians join a movement where the goal is to repeal bad laws, remove bad lawmakers from governing their lives; and like hypocrites and liars they proudly profess their goal is to shut out the Christian worldview from the debate(just like the left), and they refuse to acknowledge that the non-theocratic CDC has a good evidence that homosexual male sex is pretty damn destructive to the human body.

They mourn for the loss of a Christ-bashing George Carlin, but as for those babies, those VIABLE babies Kermit Gosnell and his staff murdered; they use the same argument, "it's their body and none of YOUR business"....

Social policy, Fiscal/Monetary policy, Foreign Policy; what the hell are we all doing here if anarchy is the ultimate goal? Talk about retarded and intellectually dishonest!

Let's see....

Homosexual sex may be harmful to the body. The homosexual lifestyle may be unnatural from a biological standpoint and even a sign of mental illness.....No argument from me there.

BUT If you have any grasp of markets and the effects of allowing free will, then you know that if homosexual activity is in fact a negative for individuals, people will choose to avoid it once information and choices are free.

If you simply try to ward people away from it through government threats, the dangers and permanent solutions--such as people learning to avoid homosexual lifestyles out of rational self interest--will never come to light.

The goal isn't anarchy, but self-government, which a lot of people misinterpret as anarchy. If you want to have a central government big enough and powerful enough to enforce Christian standards, you have to accept that it's also gonna be big enough and powerful enough to enforce "satanic" standards....So the only solution is to not have it be that big and powerful....and then to understand that if your way is right, people will *choose* it.

at this point, it's a state issue...

...this rally was at a state legislature's office...

I'm not advocating a theocracy...I am however voicing my concern that zionism is winning...

AIMS OF THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION [FOR DUMMIES]: (source)1) Banish God from the heavens and Christianity from the earth.2) Allow no private ownership of property or business.3) Abolish marriage, family and home. Encourage sexual promiscuity, homosexuality, adultery, and fornication.4) Completely destroy the sovereignty of all nations and every feeling or expression of patriotism.5) Establish a one-world government through which the Luciferian Illuminati elite can rule the world. All other objectives are secondary to this one supreme purpose.6) Take the education of children completely away from the parents. Cunningly and subtly lead the people thinking that compulsory school attendance laws are absolutely necessary to prevent illiteracy and to prepare children for better positions and life’s responsibilities. Then after the children are forced to attend the schools get control of normal schools and teacher’s colleges and also the writing and selection of all text books.7) Take all prayer and Bible instruction out of the schools and introduce pornography, vulgarity, and courses in sex. If we can make one generation of any nation immoral and sexy, we can take that nation.8) Completely destroy every thought of patriotism, national sovereignty, individualism, and a private competitive enterprise system.9) Circulate vulgar, pornographic literature and pictures and encourage the unrestricted sale and general use of alcoholic beverage and drugs to weaken and corrupt the youth.10) Foment, precipitate and finance large scale wars to emasculate and bankrupt the nations and thereby force them into a one-world government.11) Secretly infiltrate and control colleges, universities, labor unions, political parties, churches, patriotic organizations, and governments. These are direct quotes from their own writings (The Conflict of the Ages, by Clemens Gaebelein pp. 100-102).12) The creation of a World Government.

Dialogue in Hell Between

Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu - 1864

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - 1903

How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5%, the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum.

— Montesquieu, Dialogues, p. 209

A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5%, then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt.

— Protocols, p. 77

Like the god Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country.

— Machiavelli, Dialogues, p. 141

These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion.

— Protocols, p. 43

Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring.

— Montesquieu, Dialogues, p. 207

Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State.

— Protocols, p. 65

That sir

deserves an upvote.

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Please read this and tell me what you think God intended for this child.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I would approach the situation, the isolated unique case, with..

...human love, compassion, and the medical expertise as if it was a case of two conjoined twins sharing vital organs.

These anomalies do not disprove God's eyewitness account of the creation, "everything was GOOD", Adam's sin, the curse, the flood, or Christ's propitiation on the cross for the sins of all mankind.

Who may the human have sex with?

Or did God make this person screwed enough, so they are not allowed to screw anyone at all, it is all sin?
How can you not understand that these "bent genders" happen, and they are part of the Creation, and deserve love, kindness and relationships? What happened to this person physically can also happen hormonally with less physical manifestation.
I do NOT advocate for "marriage" for gays, but then I don't advocate ANYONE tell the government about their private lives. I understand that man+woman equals continuation of the species, and that is a sacred thing. But hating people for the way they were wired, it is like hating people for having red hair.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Just because someone claims he/she is wired a certain way

doesn't make it so. JFK claimed he couldn't help committing adultery. Surely, you don't believe that. The pedophile believes that's how God made him. So, does the drunkard, the glutton, the porn-addict, the incestuous, the rapist, and on some occasions even the serial killer. If God made human beings at all, God had to have given them a manual at some point on what He expects out of them, otherwise, why go through the trouble if He wasn't going to bother to communicate with us?

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if it is true

that god created everything and everyone
then he create all people no matter how they turned out
and i will add,he does know how they will turn out before they
were born,and he called it good

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Not necessarily.

God did not create you. Your parents created you and their parents them. You could say God allowed you to be created the same way you could say God allowed everything that happens in the world to happen. You and I are the offspring of God's creation. Yes, He knew we would be produced from the ability He put in humans to procreate, but He did not create you and I and say we were good. He created two, perfect, sinless human beings in His image and called THAT creation good. When those two sinless, perfect human beings decided to follow in the footsteps of another former, sinless, perfect creation and corrupt themselves, they were no longer good in God's eyes.

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god created

we re-create,as everything has already been created
in heaven and on earth,least that's how i read it
but i am willing to learn more :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

But, God

didn't create sinful, disobedient, mortal humans. By choosing to disobey God, mankind began to create a fallen, evil version of God's original creation. So, when individuals give in to whatever their personal weakness is, they're not just being the way God made them because God never made anyone or anything like that.
Seriously, if what we see today in people is what God's original creation was like, why would anybody want to serve and/or worship a God like that? Do you really think Hitler, Stalin, and Mao could have possibly been acting on the way God created them?

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my belief is this

i believe god created judas to be and to do what god had in store for him
i believe people are created to do his will,as we are all his creation
but i also believe sin entered the world when god threw 1/3 of the heavenly hosts out,these have the ability to sway the hearts of the ones who can be deceived and the weak in spirit
i also believe these hosts can enter the weak in spirit
and inhabit their bodies and minds thereby doing their evil bidding
the reason i believe this is from the passage talking about
the pigs that jesus sent over edge into the water and they drowned
i don;t it meant the spirits drowned,just the pigs
jesus also cast out many demon possessed people on his journeys
and i do not believe they ever die,they just go from one person to another,and they also help their own get into places normally foreign to them,this might explain why so many in office act the way they do
such as mao,hilter,stalin
all of these people were looking for man made,worldly glory not of god
they are not meek even tempered at all,but give in to the lusts and desires of their own hearts
so i a way god did create evil,as he created the ones who now use it
and he should have known what they would do as they tried to over throw god and take his place

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

So, you think this child was really born with "normal" sexuality

Did you even read the article, or just jump on your high moral horse? AMbiguous sexuality is something the Creator does, not me.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I was responding to your reply, not your comment/the article.

I should have been more specific.

"What happened to this person physically can also happen hormonally with less physical manifestation."

Kind of like JFK's hormonal condition I guess.
The story you linked doesn't have anything to do with the issue in this thread. Deformities happen all the time unfortunately, just like illness, earthquakes, and house fires. None of that has anything to do with the definition of marriage or homosexuality considering the overwhelmingly, vast majority of those who practice homosexuality were not born with physical deformities.

You don't really believe

You don't really believe we're born free do you?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

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i hope sheep

are still on the table.I'd hate to change my diet now :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

you should READ what I wrote:

...your few cases are RARE, and can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis....you're on this path of "there can be no God because bad things happen in the world" trend.

I've had cancer already, should I blame Monsanto or God? Should I complain that God is some cosmic killjoy, or incompetent?

Get wisdom, understanding, and knowledge; desire those MORE than precious metals...and understand "in Adam's fall, we sinned all"! Things are waxing worse and worse. Nobody said following Christ would be a pleasant walk through a pretty prairie. Situations like those medical anomalies weigh HEAVY on all those involved, the.Gosnell trial changed one reporter's opinion on abortion.

Evidence of the destructive power of sin is all around us, and so is evidence that there is a Creator that sees it all and knows it all who is able to help any burdened sinner cope with any situation no matter how heavy, confusing, or overwhelming. How we react to situations gives testimony to whether or not we desire to accept His truth, His account of human history, and His offer for reconciliation and restoration unto blessings we cannot fathom.

It's just stupid to take a position so clearly against common sense, riding a popular political tidalwave, rather than investigating if His claims are TRUE.

why are you people so blind and stupid??

Why do you cherry pick laws/rules you'll obey, and those you won't?

EVERY LAW ON THE BOOKS LEGISLATE MORALITY...be it legal tender laws or a mandate to buy car insurance....you fools!!!!

Libertarian groups and trolls are obviously financed by the PTB, especially pro-homosexual groups....you guys are soooooooooooo obvious!!!

This particular heckler was just a rabble-rouser, but his tone, choice of words, and physical activity of aggression shows WHY the homosexual position FAILS....all YOUR SIDE has is left $$$$, communist enablers, and voter apathy....if it was a direct democracy, you'd lose hands down....sodomy laws might even be brought back....but, we're a representative republic, so we apply pressure to elected representatives like RON PAUL advises.

This movement is full of morons and unthinking followers without a backbone to FIGHT. You'll achieve NOTHING if you're so insanely foolish and unable to realize the homosexuals have a radical AGENDA to flush out, piss off Christians so the IRS can crawl up our butts with a microscope and intimidate us into silence.

Same thing they did to the Puritans, and the REAL Christians during the reformation. History is cyclical, and you paid progressives are shills on the WRONG SIDE. You think you'll achieve "the blessings of liberty" by extending your middle finger in the Creator's face? Hah!

I advocate a STRONG and CLEAR divide between me and your weak-minded ilk!

The fact that you fools go to bat for them make you as ignorant, proud, and detestable in the eyes of our founders as the parent government of their day was. You clowns LABOR to hewn down the indispensable supports of religion and morality, and you call yourself "patriots"; you're God-hating losers, and a THREAT to me and my family!

Enjoy your PRIDE parades, and your road to perdition...zero wisdom. Communism and anarchy is what you support, if you seek to live like animals, this government would be glad to grant your request!

Westboro Baptist

Of course there are no Churches that employ some rather evil tactics are there? Should we base every church going person on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

I wish you could separate the difference between people with good intentions and those with not so good intentions. I don't know who filled your head with this stuff but imho it's not healthy to hate a group of people based on the actions of a few.