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I would vote for Pat Buchanan over Rand Paul

I've never been the lesser of two evils type of voter (last election I didn't vote), but I've always said if Ron Paul wasn't a presidential candidate that I would vote for a Pat Buchanan or Rand Paul. As Lew Rockwell has pointed out, Rand is not a libertarian but a conservative but I've always thought he would be a better choice than Pat Buchanan was but now I'm not so sure given his recent statements. Plus, loyalty is very important. I remember when Buchanan ran in 1996 and the media said he was done for unless he dropped Larry Pratt from his campaign and Pat refused to back down. Plus he's never backed down from the neocons or sucked up them like Rand has. Rand's treating his father's base like old high school friends he doesn't want to hang out with anymore because he's too mature for them.

Just kind of curious as to how the other Daily Paulers would vote if it came down to Pat Buchanan or Rand Paul.

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I wouldn't...

waste my vote on either one.

I don't play, I commission the league.

I agree

I'd vote for Pat Buchanan over Rand Paul too.

neither

Buchcanan is a mostly good political writer, and Rand Paul is a mostly good senator, but I see neither as a candidate for president that I could get enthused about.

Rand Paul is no Pat

Rand Paul is no Pat Buchanan... and that's a good thing!

Pat is strong on the war-peace question,

which should be the number one issue for libertarians, as we all know nothing grows the State like war. However, his economic views are dismally Hamiltonian, so it would be hard for me to support him. Rand Paul, on the other hand, is hard to pin down on anything, as he never expresses any principles. However, he is certainly less anti-war than Pat, which is a huge minus. Frankly, I couldn't get too excited about either of these guys and if this were the choice, I would simply abstain from beans.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Pat is not a mason

I could be wrong, but I don't believe catholics can be freemasons.

The Freemasons are a creation of the Jesuits.....the Jesuits are

A creation of the Roman Church.
Other Catholic secret societies are:
Knights of Malta
kinghts of Columbus
St. johns societies
And many more, all of which are under the authority of the Jesuits, whom now have their first ever openly sitting pope.

Pat Buchanan Connections to Knights of Malta by William Cooper ...
groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/...
Last updated: Jul 04, 2008 · 1 post · First post: Jul 04, 2008
Pat Buchanan Connections to Knights of Malta by William Cooper (killed Nov 2001) ... is a 33 degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction.

Pats also a knight of Malta.
Interesting pictures exist of Maltees Knight ceremonies where two supposedly at war rulers are seen walking hand in hand down the aisle at a Knights of Malta ceremony , I don't recall their names, but they are presidents of Southren African regimes who are supposedly involved in a war against each other....well people are most definitely dying in it and their leaders seem quite friendly towards one another in the pictures..... I'll try to see if I can locate there names and links to the photos.
If you've plenty of time, I strongly recommend watching a video series by a Dr. Walter Veith titled " total onslaught ", they are available online at amazingdiscoveries. Com and can be searched topically ( there are over 50 hours of lectures in this series, it's VERY intensive, and is exclusively quotations from whomever he is exposing as being part of the NWO ) . Word of caution, if you have an anti- Christian bias you might want to leave it at the door because he is one, but this series is totally given to show the complete conspiracy of the NWO from its inception through to today and into its conclusion.
Search out, his secret societies, Free masons Video lecture.
He WAS a professor of Natural sciences, holding a Doctorate untill he became a Christian, so he leads very well
thought out and presented lectures.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

I used to listen to Cooper on

I used to listen to Cooper on shortwave growing up and I know he was the real deal. I do remember him saying Pat was a Knight of Malta, but I don't remember him talking about the Catholic/Mason connecton but I didn't catch every show of his. I know Jesse Helms wass 33rd degree. Look up the late Father Malachi Martin's take on masons/NWO/and the Third Secret of Fatima if you want a good Catholic take on the subject.

I have voted for Pat Buchanan

I have voted for Pat Buchanan in the past and would gladly do so again. Now, as far as all of this talk about Pat being a Mason is concerned, I have always heard that almost all of our Founding Fathers were Masons. So is that considered to be a bad thing now? It does seem to me that almost every time I see Rand, he is hanging out with his good buddy shawn hannity and laughing at those ridiculous Ron Paul followers. So that means that I would not give Rand my dollars, nor would I give him my vote!

Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!

Why do Trolls constantly post

Why do Trolls constantly post threads like this on Daily Paul?

why troll-sult the poster?

His question seems genuine to me.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

All I know about Pat is he has repeatedly proven unelectable

Doing the same thing and expecting to get a different outcome is the definition of insanity.

Somebody needs to capture a solid majority of the Republican base and do something even Romney wasn't able to do: get that base passionate about them.

I'm sure Pat Robertson is a nice man. But he lacks the fire and charisma and youth and nerves of steel and he is too well known to the Enemies Domestic. He can't win.

Rand Paul is something new and something different. He is shrewd and he is smart and he is wired-in and, most of all, he is enough of an unknown quantity that he can't be easily labelled and dismissed as a "Libertarian" or "idealist" or "nut" and he hasn't a wall of hardened and heavily armed enemies organized against him from the get-go. Rand is a very successful professional who reached perhaps the pinnacle of the medical profession: an eye surgeon, people! Nerves of steel are required for that profession, people. And Rand has NEVER lost an election campaign. And he's leaped into a leadership role in the media and the Senate -- a more startling assent than even Obamanation! People are ... enthralled and .... confused!! It's brilliant! It's so brilliant and effective a strategy that even a significant number of the DailyPaul contingent are totally flummoxed ... which actually makes the case for Rand even stronger, since if a significant percent of the dailypaul posters are so confused then you can bet a significant percent of the party leadership, the Fascists, and most of the Enemies Domestic, are confused too! Confused enough to not unify to oppose him?

Let us pray!

Because if Rand can get the opening his father was denied, Rand could actually win! And if Rand were to actually win, the country would have its first president who actually supports the Constitution and Bill of Rights in maybe a century!

go Rand!!!

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

The huge majority of the Republican base

is still asleep... and has no desire to ever wake up and face reality.

In order to succeed in restoring our Nation, people must be woken up... even if they don't want to be.

Rand appears to be bending, trying not to break, in the hopes of pulling in enough Republican voters to try to be competitive.

My concern is that he bends, so much so that he does eventually break... and never becomes the champion of Liberty many of us hoped he would become.

Rand merely winning an election isn't enough if he doesn't stand up for OUR principles publicly. In fact, if he does gain higher office, but separates himself from our principles then we all lose more than if he had never "won" in the first place.

If Rand can't win by sticking to our principals then enough people haven't woken up yet. Either lots more education is needed, or an event of such importance and trauma that people, en masse, are snapped out of their government-induced coma's.

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I seconded the motion to

I seconded the motion to nominate PJB as the Reform Party candidate for President at Long Beach, Ca. in 2000. My motion put Pat on the ballot in 49 states. I would do it again tomorrow, no matter WHO opposes him. Go Pat Go! (those were the days)

“...taxes are not raised to carry on wars, but that wars are raised to carry on taxes”
Thomas Paine, Rights of Man

Pats a...

33 degree Freemason. I'd sooner vote for Rand, because I understand what he and his dad are up too. Yes, I believe that Rand and his dad were acting in collusion when rand distanced himself from his father, in fact I now think Rand only did it because his dad made him. Why would Ron do such? Because Ron is very wise, and noted as I have the maliability of the NeoCon Republican voter that was so prevelant and obvious during the last election primary season.
First it was Herman Cain, then John Huntsman, then Santorum, then finally Willard, but never Ron because the establishment was able to slander Ron because he wasn't ALREADY an accepted factor.
Rand is now doing the footwork to smooth over the hearts, wallets, and bias of the majority of the NeoCon base so when he runs in 2016, he will ALREADY be an acceptable factor to the VOTERS.
I'm sure the Prebuis and RNC committee members know that Ron will likely turn into a conservative that WON'T toe the standard party line once he is elected, but his verbiage right now ISN'T giving them any ammunition to use against him in the Primaries...and HE'S getting national exposure two years BEFORE to sell himself as a " regular republican joe ".
Mark my words, Rand is in no way a regular republican Joe, but he is one of the most savy political players I've seen in my lifetime, and his Dad is by far the most honorable. Trust me, honor like that gets transferred in the genes.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Mark my words...Rand Paul is terrible human being

How on earf you folks have gotten so delusional is beyond me.

I guess there are a lot of republicons running around this site that still believe government is the solution and not the pollution.

They aren't playing a game or some theatrical performance. Rand Sucks and has been consumed by the neocon machine...you are in that long river in Egypt man.

How you assume.

I'm a law unto myself, I live in such a manner that I've no fear of mans law, in such a manner that I require no governing, for I render unto no man evil for evil, nor evil at all, God so willing.
Please refrain from making ad hominems against me.
I merely provided you insight, what you do with your bias is entirely dependent upon you, but your bias led to your anger, your anger led to your assumptions, and your assumptions are as incorrect as your bias.
You may be correct about Rand, I used to feel that way too, but to much evidence points to a much deeper intent, and I clearly stated that which I think that intent is.

If you treat everyone who disagrees with you in this manner, it might give indication as towards your character, a character in need of governing.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

calling a spade a spade

There is no other way to describe this blind belief people have in Rand. Delusion. Ad hom. I suppose, but there is no other way to describe it.

Keep drinking that kool aide though!

Wow. just so wrong on so many counts.

I will grant you some have blind faith in Rand, but some have blind faith in Obama - some humans just fall pick a hero and fall in love. They were successfully conditioned at the "Cinderella and "Sleeping Beauty" age - you can thank Disney. But you go too far the other way, You and I both know it is all for show, I would bet a real nickel Rand knows, too. I don't like the script he chooses more often than I like it, but I don't have to treat any of it with any more seriousness than an episode of "Dancing With The Stars." But at least I go ahead and laugh when the show is funny, I still cry when the show is sad, and Rand just delivered a really good line. Enjoy the show, applaud when you approve, don't just sit there and "Boo" the entire production.
And for the love of truth, stop using the "kool aid" analogy:
http://ftp.dailypaul.com/267617/jonestown-who-drank-the-kool...

WE ALL DRANK THE KOOLAID IN THE US. No one drank any in Jonestown.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

sorry

I usually don't like the kool aid analogy either, but he said I was ad hom...so I didn't want to insinuate drug use.

Rand Is a controlled Neo con and yes its a show, but I am seeing there are bits of strings or wire hanging behind Rand. I am merely aware they are there and it ruins the show. Its a shame others can't even catch a glimpse of the strands from above, but I am curious who is his puppet master...guess we will find out in 2016 ish.

It could be
Sheldon or a Koch.

I am also curious about Benton...if he is around 16 that would be interesting too.

You ever try to tell a WWE fan that its fake? They don't like it much either, but the WWE isn't gonna try and con $2300 out everyone on this site in 16 either.

I'm going to get me

Some nitinol, lol.

You were soooo right, I'm a tinker/ inventor as it is and can imagine hours of fun playing " reshape the Nitinol ", already have an " outside the box concept " rolling around my otherwise empty cranium.

Thanks for " putting me back up ", as per a travel gnome.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Desist with the ad homenims

Either present the reasons for your distrust of Rand, or concede, there is no other viable option left open to you for you are being called out for posting Sophestry and disingenuous threads that are seemingly only purposes to cause discontent and consternation amongst freedom loving people's; and in this you have failed utterly, freedom is stronger than the hatred of men, for freedom is from our creator and is not derived from man.
I have entered into an open discussion as an adult with you, and in return you practice the exact same immature tactics that you pretend to despise from the socialistic left, shame upon you.

Grow up and learn how to debate.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

He is a US senator

That should be all the proof anyone needs to distrust Rand Paul.

There is truth in what you say

And I know it, my question then is whom?
For me if Judge Napalitano were to run.....game over Rand.

God Bless

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

I am not deeply sorry, but I do appologize

I did not mean to attack you specifically, You seem like a nice chap.

I just have a hard time understanding the support for Rand. That isn't anyone's fault but my own. Some say I have far too pessimistic outlook, but I don't see it that way. I read something last night that sort of answered my questions.

We want different things that is all. Rand supporters want to believe a good group of politicians will change things for the better. Want is the key word here. I don't necessarily say that if Rand was elected it wouldn't be a little better. But if he wins there is a great chance that almost any push the liberty movement has going will be swallowed up. People will say Phathead, man, no need to worry about all that now, Rand won. I hear that happened with Raygun and the ideas of liberty got conflated with big Gov Republicanism.

I do not want someone who isn't a radical to win...it seems to be an empty victory. I do not want someone who represents more liberty in charge during a down turn in the economy and I don't see how the affordable care act doesn't cripple the economy or how the fed can possible keep another bubble from popping in the next 6 years (again the blame will squarely be laid on liberty and the free market). I really want the political system to completely fail. Some folks think that would be god awful mad max teotwawki. I think it may be the most beautiful thing on earth, sure not easy, but life with out credible politicians and bureaucrats looked at more as clowns can't be all bad.

We want something different that is all. You want a heroic politician to fix things. I want politicians to be shown for the chumps that they are and the people to realize they aren't needed in a civilized society.

My dear friend, phathead

I never take debate personally, and even if I did, you'd not owe me either an apology, nor an explanation for stating your opinion; though it shows great character and class that you choose to offer both regardless. Thank you.

Secondly, I'm giving Rand the benefit of the doubt...but he has ample time before the primary to prove wether or not he was worthy of it. My theory upon the " why " behind Rands seeming estrangement from some of the core ideals that we here hold so dear is simply this, political acumen. Meaning, if Rand can convince the voting NeoCon that he is far more in agreement with their positions ( Israel, wars, law and order, etc. ) over the course of the next year and a half, then no matter how the Globalist Elite of Republicanism tries paints him in the primary's, the VOTERS shall have no faith in those elites words as Rand will have already convinced them ( and BTW they NeoCons represent nearly 70% of the voting republican block, whereas our Liberty minded block is but 29% ) otherwise and will support him regardless of how the pugnacious elite try to slander him, thereby securing the nomination.
I HOPE this is the case, for like you there are many things since Rand bailed out on his Dad's election that haven't pleased me all that much ( drones, Monitary aid to foreign nations, et al). But all of these strike a discordant bell within me, I can't quite explain they why of it, but I feel it is smoke and mirrors purpose built to secure the majority if the voters Republican to his side BEFORE the primary season and that once he's ensconced within the White House he shall simply return to the values dearly beloved by Ron and most of us here, that is small, unobtrusive Government, free markets and the removals of law that supersedes or impedes the rule of law first supplied by the base beginnings of our Constitution. If that us his purpose then he does indeed have his work cut out for him.

All that aside, and gone should he prove further a propensity to be NeoCon OR should Judge Andrew Napalitano choose to enter the fray.

As for being dependent upon or idol using men to save me? That's a shot in the dark that's still whizzing through the trees having missed its target completely. For I've grasped and acquired the strongest of all foundations upon self government, that it first begins within my own heart and actions. For to require no external governing by men first requires that one does not anything that requires one to have to be governed. For all law is but a schoolmaster, to show one how one should behave. But not all law is a good schoolmaster, for we have long seen that too many laws strangle growth rather than promote it. Freedom, to be free, requires that men first free themselves from the necessity of having to be controlled, one does this by not harming others and being mindfull of this in all their affairs.
I have found my freedom, and selfgovernance in the process called sanctification that is through the Holy Spirit by
Faith in Jesus Christ.
I also sense that you too have found a method to first rule your own house, in this we are in common, and in Liberty, and in desiring to pass it on to all, and in this we can never be enemies, but are bonded by like purpose though our methods, and our ideas of how to promote it might differ. As long as we keep focus upon this fact, then no matter what disagreements come between the goal is yet the same.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

We agree on a lot and I suck at explaining

I wasn't shooting in the dark. If you are looking for a candidate to support and are considering Rand...then I don't want the same thing as you. I wasn't saying it to be deeming, I used hero and that probably wasn't the right word.

The Judge I could support. I would max out my contribution the day he announced.

I just don't think the public is ready for reality and as you say the neo nuts own the party. So if someone sounds liberty(ish) and ends up winning the public will simply be fooled again. You can't be a little bit pregnant and you can't just a little bit authoritarian.

If rand wins, my opinion is he does what Raygun did to libertarian ism and that is set it back 20 years. Just cause he is the Head of the class and it is summer school doesn't mean we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

I support liberty, the Constitution and Free will

If no candidate supports these, I will write in Ron Paul, again.
I have my concerns about Rand, but we've time to sift through it all yet.

No problem, I'm imperfect too! But don't tell my EGO, lol.

God Bless
Stēkō Parēssia

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Honor

and Rand Paul are mutually exclusive terms. No one with any common sense would support Rand Paul. He has shown exactly what he's made of.

Wether or not

I'd support him in 2016 remains to be seen, and there's two years of rope for which to hang himself by if he's unworthy. But as of now, whom else is there, a FREE MASON who is nothing but a Popes stooge, a Twinkie would be a better choice than Buchanan.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington