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Exit The Matrix Now

Ok guys, long time no talk to!
There is an exit wide open from The Matrix (U.S. Jurisdiction, Congrees, the money Changers Fed).
Go to Sovereign Warriors, see Taking Control of your Birth Certificate Trust.
You can change your status to non-resident alien, get rid of the Social Security number and be issued a new EIN number. No more voting, no more taxes, no more wonderful rules passed by the legislatures that you have to follow. You still cannot harm anyone, this just ends your contract as a Federal Employee.
You will be simply listed as a creditor to the United States, (retired) not currently involved in "War Contracts" (they call it commerce/war profiteering) for the U.S.
If you want to join a private group currently doing this contact me and if I think you are serious i'll introduce you.
Otherwise the path laid out for you on Sovereign Warriors is essentially correct.
Good luck, expect currency Revaluation in 105 days.
Then full blown Austerity and Martial Law for the remaining U.S. citizens.
Don't be one on the day this happens.
Get out legally while you still can.
Remember the U.S. is a Corporation not a country, perhaps this is a great time to retire?

The Oracle

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Oh fuck off

I find it offensive that you not only are encouraging others to believe in your frivolous make-believe crap, to their detriment, but that you are promoting this for profit bs at this website. Go buy a webpage! Jeez.

The emotion of wanting to disengage is one anyone here can relate to. But to sell your snake oil and prey on that emotion is just plain wrong, and evil.

As to the poster that wanted to know how many of these "cases" win: Here's the number: 0.0000

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What profit?

I am not promoting anything for profit. (learn the definition of profit).The rough outline to collapse your citizenship in "the democracy" and return to the republic is on Sovereign Warriors. Last I checked Jaro isn't charging anything to sign up there.
If you want line by line instructions you will have to join up with others who have been through the process and can guide you. The fact that they might charge for their assistance is good, it brings that service to market.
One of my relatives was Kit Carson. I am sure he had a fee to lead people out west.
That's not a profit, it's wages for labor.
Corporations make profits by claiming abandoned property.

Do you need help collapsing your U.S. citizenship?

The Oracle

charging for their service?

you mean charging for bad advice about nonexistant crap - which is therefore fraudulent.

anyone who has studied the UCC knows these sov cit lies about it make no sense. In fact, anyone who can READ just needs to go look at the parts of the UCC they cite, they don't say anything remotely near to what they claim to say or do. It's all a hoax. The UCC exists but it governs commerce in the US. It doesn't get rid of debts, or enslave people, or any of this other b.s.

The straw man is a hoax.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

So You Really, Really want to remain ignorant?

That's too bad. Or perhaps you are a paid government disinformation agent. The speed and thoroughness with which the agents respond to the truth when I post it on DP never ceases to amaze me.
This place crawls with Crown Spies.

The Oracle

yeah, mmm okay

so a guy with no credentials, selling bullshizzle, comes online to say that I am "ignorant" of the law. Rigggght. Where;d you get your knowledge, youtube? BTW, which "crown" am I "disinfoing" for? I'm curious cause I'd like to send them a bill by the hour for the time I spend debunking your frivolous bs.

Hint: anyone saying they are a "guru" or "oracle" is usually fraudulent. You are no exception.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Well, There Isn't Really Any Law...

The Law was suspended by the U.S. Government in 1933. There is no substance or execution of the law because that would end the United States. The current govt cannot recognize The Law because then they would have to try themselves for treason. The new jurisdiction, let's call it JurB cannot recognize JurA. Since the United States went into Bankruptcy 80 years ago it has operated under necessity and in fiction.
Necessity knows no law.
The administrators of the bankruptcy (wrongly called judges) were authorized by congress in 1976 to construe and construct statutes and codes to mean whatever they wish. Those weren't even laws in the first place.
Everything is now done by commercial contract and is largely fraud. They claim you have agreed to them owning your body and that you are a decedant, not quite dead but dying. The coroner has a cemetery plot waiting for you, it's your official residence! This way the Federal Reserve bank, courts, banks, corporations can charge everything they need to your Estate since you are dying and all that.
Go the official Winston Shrout YouTube site and watch Proof of Life. It isn't always on the first page, you might have to scroll down a bit. It's a big wake up. I am years down the path so I am not in the conjecture phase..
In fact when I finish typing here I will be going to IRS to get the second EIN for my Estate, I got the first EIN Friday (one per day limit).
The unofficially posted "Declaratory Judgement" by Winston Shrout is also very revealing.
I'm giving you the introductory stuff to get you started. Hope this helps.

I didn't choose the name, I was called this and it stuck.

The Oracle


I know enough law to know you're nuts. I get my law from real law books, like those found in a real law library. Winston Shrout is pushing nonsense. I suppose that might be what you're into. To each their own. Others who don't deal with reality become drug addicts.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I've been trying to outsmart the IRS and state ever since

my first tax payment.

Only thing I've ever done was screw myself. Not them.

Best way to outsmart is to play the game. Get as many deductions as you can. I can pretty much guarantee all the employees paying taxes under EIN may not have the same rights as I do with a SSN. In fact an EIN may pay more taxes than I. I don't think EIN's get the same deductions. At best they are on an equal playing field.

Any atypical American would do good to be a "good taxpayer" financially (get ready for downvotes). Unless you are willing to shackle up.

Call me a govt shill or whatever. Just try it. You'll get screwed. Go ahead and try it. Seriously.

Yes we need to end the FED and end the IRS. Play within their horrendous rules and they will wither.

Foreign EIN

This is nt a one step process. You need to get enough control over your U.S. citizenship (it's a trust, estate, corp) so you can fire all the trustees (govt) and then close out the account. It is important to set up a foreign trust (foreign to the U.S.) to receive the property held in the U.S. citizenship I.e. your body, car, house, etc.
The foreign trust gets a 98 series EIN which puts it and all the property outside the U.S. jurisdiction.
Remember the U.S. is just a corporation, nobody forced your parents to sign you up as an employee. Anyone who does his due diligence and process can undo what your parents did.
The best way to restore a Republic is to leave the corporate democracy one by one, then form a Republic.

It's a different EIN than what you may be familiar with.

The Oracle

no, that's not correct actually.

the US is not "just a corporation." There IS a US corporation, to allow it to do things that corporations have to do, but there is also the plain old US of A. Yep, that;s right, the fact that there is a US corporation doesn't mean the US govt is nothing but a corporation. Fail. One of the basic premises of your craplike infotainment fraud scheme is therefore rendered to be fraudulent and fake. But hey thanks!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Ask Them if You Don't believe Me!

Just go ask a Coast Guard Officer if the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a private for profit foreign corporation.
The answer is straightforward.
Or go see a congressman or even a state representative. I have asked them point blank in front fifty witnesses.
They admit it, then as politicians do go right back into character and pretend like that unfortunate revelation never happened!
The UNITED STATES always was a corporation which was set up to perform certain contracts for the States.
The State governments no longer exist and the U.S. corporation has replaced them with its own divisions with names like STATE OF OHIO.
We are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.
The new State is an Estate, the remains of the real State, it is called KANSAS, a legal fiction, a ghost.

The living, the breathing, The Oracle

oh brother

Again, a US corporation exists, but that doesn't mean that the govt is nothing but a corporation.

I can;t begin to describe how funny it is that you thinka Coast Guard Captain is the be-all end-all of legal knowledge. Why not ask a dog catcher? A nurse?

And yes, junior, state governments exist.

Is the sky green also? Is water dry? I can't wait to hear more easily debunked nonsense.

I tell you what, I am going to post a thread - the great sovereign challenge - and I promise there will be no successful takers. Wait and see,

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

But they CAPITALIZED the

But they CAPITALIZED the names! CAPITALIZED! You're delusional if you think that CAPITALIZATION doesn't absolve an entity and replace it with a corporation. Once, I was going to commit suicide, but instead I Just changed my name from David to DAVID and ever since I've been receiving monthly payments from the fed!

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

An Entity is a Corpration, Trust, Estate or Other Legal Fiction

One only becomes liable for an entity's debts if he/she signs as an accommodation party for the Entity.
A restricted signature such as without prejudice, without recourse, or Under Protest reserves the signers rights.
If John Henry Doe signs his name in an unrestricted fashion for JOHN H DOE U.S. CITIZEN SHIP then the man becomes liable for the debts of the U.S. fleet vessel JOHN H DOE. OOOOPs!

The Oracle

in THAT case

I'm going to change my name to JAMIE DIMON

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Good idea!

Be sure to sign everything For JAMIE DIMON "without prejudice" and you will have immunity for whatever the JAMIE DIMON entity does. I didn't make up the commercial world, so don't blame the messenger, I just report what I've learned.

The Oracle

Ok, I Give Up Your SS-5 Classification is Accurate

I know a good attorney when you need representation.

Oracle Out.


I assume this is your way of again saying that anyone who questions your FRAUD promoting is a government agent.

Heck, whose videos are on your front page? That Druanna chick. I watched a couple of those - and even SHE admits she has no idea if this stuff works, but because she lives in MEXICO where "ain't no one suing us here" as she says, she figured what the heck, might as well try out this crap and see if it works. Great.

There's your guru!

So, Oracle, post some proof of the strawman, and then I'll agree with you. SS-5 classification be damned

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Huhh? Are You a Libertarian so You Can Smoke Weed?

Who the heck is Druanna? Which Strawman are you talking about? I have 4, that's four in case you are bad with numbers.

The Oracle

you linked to the page

it was covered in videos by a Druanna Johnston and I watched a couple of those on youtube.

You have four what? heads? eyeballs?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

An Individual, A Corporation, An Estate, and a Trust

I am not any of those, they are all legal fictions.

The Oracle

actually your writing

is legal fiction

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

It think 221 years of Congressional incompetence is cause.

They went and gave Congress the authority to borrow..

Result: We have never had a Treasury with treasure. Just a Department to manage a treasure we don't have.

Today Congress owes nearly 200 kilo-tonnes of Gold ($17 trillion $FRN).

Churches rely on charity and best stay on message.

Governments rely on force and play King of the Hill.

They need our loot to pay for the debts they run up.

The Founding Fathers screwed up big time by giving Congress authority to borrow.

200 Kilotonnes while leaving, We the people, holding the bag.

Who needs this corporate nonsense but a Congress escaping bankruptcy by creating an indentured people.

Bankers didn't trust Congress either. The asked for an amendment making Congressional debt unquestionable.

A way out? It needs looking into.

Free includes debt-free!

EIN = Employee Identification Number


Not retired. Plenty of people where I work with EIN's. They are taxed exactly the same as any with a SS #. But maybe they don't have to pay social security. I will check into that.

All the sovereign stuff sounds attractive, but how many cases actually win?

Run up a big enough tax bill if you own your own business or are a private contractor to get hit and you might get lucky and pay 15-20% (of the abhorrent debt the state and IRS says you owe) or so, but you still pay taxes.

Or go to jail. Jail isn't freedom unless you are truly sovereign. I have a family.

Haha, they actually have the legal

ability to use the NDAA against you since you lose your citizenship or residency.

Not like they won't use it on legal Muslim citizens first (they will)!

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:





The first book i purchased through the D.P. was Blacks Law Dictionary special deluxe 5th edition which to my surprise had been part of the N.A.S.A. library at Kennedy Space Center. On June 1st i start a course at university of london, An Introduction to English Common law. I`ve been watching youtubes by Christopher Flemming, Mark McMurtrie, Winston Shrout and others. I`ve been disapointed that each of these vids is only part of the picture so have tried to google for a group that covers everything without success. I would be very interested to learn more about this group you speak of? :) I previously tried to contact Sovereign Warriors and received no reply.

If every great fortune has a great crime behind it, then the greatest fortunes have the greatest criminals behind them. End the fed!

Contact No Sign up Yes

Sign up with Jaro. Lots of knowledgeable people in Sovereign Warriors.
I agree there is no one source for all the info we need to operate in a private capacity in a very public world.
The closest thing is The Redemption Manual 4.5 available through McCutcheons.Ink.
It is currently being revised for the 5.0 edition, even that won't contain all the answers.
If there is a specific item you are looking for and I know where to find it I will gladly point you in the right direction.
Sorry for calling you, you! Look you up in Black's Law!

The other solution is to join a Masonic Lodge, comes at a price!
There are also numerous private non-Masonic clubs you can join where the other members will help bring you up to speed, the deal is you do the same for those who follow you.

The Oracle


There is no "you" in the 5th ed. Page 1449 the entries go from york to youth, bottom of right hand column. Thanks for the book link, I shall be ordering soon, 5.0 ed. I am also now a member of S.W.

If every great fortune has a great crime behind it, then the greatest fortunes have the greatest criminals behind them. End the fed!


Sorry, I found "You " in a super Edition of Merriams I think. It said something like " in the law, plural". So "you are walking down the street is plural. It does not say you is walking, it says you (plural) are....
When they say "YOU" in court they are referring to your organization/vessel, any authorized representative can respond for your vessel AKA YOU GUYS. The Fiduciary Debtor, Grantor, Living Beneficiary, Creditor, Settlor, Executor, General Executor, can all or any one of these "persons" respond for your vessel. One can put on the mask of any of these persons and play the role. The role they trick most people into playing is that of MR ANDERSON the fiduciary debtor. This is not the role you want because the bookkeeper goes to debtors prison when the accounts won't balance. That's all the U.S is, one giant corporation operating in bankruptcy supposedly trying to balance its accounts and putting anyone in prison who they drag into their court (bank) who doesn't balance the account he is given.
It's ridiculous because you were never told they brought you in to balance an account, they only said "you" were towed into the dock and your case put because of some marijuana or something. Nobody said anything about an accounting test oh how to balance the national debt.
So figure out a role to play other than the fiduciary! Or learn how to balance the accounts you are given.

The Oracle

Great See You on S.W. True Hard Core Liberty Fanatics There

RDM 5.0 is still being written. I'll let you know when it is done and ready to print.

The Oracle