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Some of These Conspiracy Theories Make Us All Look Crazy and Discredit the Movement

Whenever a widely publicized tragedy takes over the news media, within hours people claiming to be libertarians or Ron Paul supporters start making batshit crazy accusations. These people automatically assume that every event is a grand conspiracy that entire cities, competing media outlets, victims, suspects, and police are all a part of, or 'in on'. The same people think that anyone interviewed as a witness or victim of an event is an actor and that their injuries can't be real. These people show little to no empathy for those affected by tragic events ironically exploiting these tragedies to further their own various agendas.

These people are becoming a problem because their near insane assumptions being pushed on liberty oriented websites only helps discredit the movement and promote the popular idea that all libertarians are insane drug addicted cave dwelling weirdos who just want to smoke pot and stick it to the man. Libertarians have been repeatedly discredited over and over without any help of their own, so why do some Libertarians insist on making it easy to discredit the movement?

You all have convinced me that Agenda 21 and a looming New World Order is a real conspiracy. I've also learned much of real 'false flag' events and the roles of certain Government agencies in these events. While I do believe in conspiracies, I refuse to believe that these events are made in hollywood like some of you seem to think. Yes; Towers did fall in New York on 9-11, A plane did hit the Pentagon, bombs did blow off a Boston man's legs, and Rand Paul is not an illuminati shill out to destroy the movement.

When someone says things like the aforementioned comments I support the moderators in removing it. I don't see the moderators removing the insane "Boston victims are actors" threads any different from kicking a crazy cat lady off of your front porch. She shows up causing trouble and being unpleasant on your property so you kick her off your porch. What's wrong with that? I'm tired of having to read these relentless actor threads followed by a bunch of whining about "being censored by the man" complaints. Guess what guys, no one is forcing you to stay on the DP, you're welcome to relocate to abovetopsecret.com whenever you like.

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Apparently certain topics we thought were off limits are ok..

...IF the comments are one sided and of the mod-favored side, because I sure as heck don't see this thread and some of YOUR comments about the verboten being 403'd.

While I have considered the possibility, even great likelihood, that there may have been crisis actors and fake blood in Boston, especially since drills were reported (not to mention some of the problems pointed out in the pictures/videos and because of issues raised by medical professionals), I'm not going to debate those points here...and if I was going to, it would be with the thought that those people are possibly being exploited similar to Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch.

But what I AM going to argue is that it is ABSOLUTE BULLCRAP that one-sided taunts and remarks on off limits topics are allowed to continue, while others who share opposing concerns on those matters and who question things beyond someone else's comfort zone are being banned or having posting privileges removed.

Jefferson's picture

I agree.

Especially since the whiney OP has decided to engage in "theorizing" on a thread about "theorizing hurting our movement."

Some evenhandedness is probably in order.

If MN wants to reactivate this, then he can when he gets back. I'm sure it will be at the top of his to do list..
/sarc

1+ 4 u jiminy:

up for 5 days with a double-digit negative rating...my my!

Yeah, I get it. Move along,

Yeah, I get it. Move along, move along. Nothing to see here.

The Bilderberg Group, Gulf of Tonkin, Iran-Contra, CIA Drug Running, Operation Ajax, Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, Operation Mockingbird, the Tuskegee experiment, the Manhattan Project, MK-Ultra, Kennedy Assassination, 1919 World Series, Bohemian Grove, Operation Paperclip, Trilateral Commission, Watergate scandal, the PRIVATE Federal Reserve Bank... ALL crazy conspiracy theories....

BTW, it is also conclusive to anyone who examines the facts critically that no commercial plane ever hit the pentagon... you might want to throw that out of your bag of examples when attempting to illustrate that all conspiracies are crazy... just sayin'

Uh.. "BTW, it is also

Uh..

"BTW, it is also conclusive to anyone who examines the facts critically that no commercial plane ever hit the pentagon"

WRONG and I demonstrated that there is tons of evidence that AA flt 77 hit the Pentagon and NO evidence whatsoever that anything other did. I'm not trying to start a debate on it with you, I've done that and I highly doubt you would bring anything new to the argument, but if you look through this thread I would bet I have addressed every issue you could use to attempt to say something else hit the Pentagon.

http://www.dailypaul.com/280583/the-9-11-pentagon-challenge

If somehow you go through it and have an argument that I haven't addressed then throw it out there, but if I don't reply it's because whatever you have brought up is already covered in that thread.

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I don't think the OP was talking about *all* conspiracy theories (as many seem to be assuming), but rather the reptilian/holograms/aliens stuff, and I agree with the OP. That sort of stuff only distracts from *actual* conspiracies, IMO.

I don't understand this "if you don't believe every conspiracy theory then you're a statist MSM sheeple blah blah" mindset that so many here seem to have whenever someone doubts even a single far-out theory of the week (a missile hitting a burning fertilizer plant comes to mind).

Seems like many who view 'alternative' media unquestionably follow and parrot it every bit as much as MSM viewers do. I'm not saying you personally do it, just that it's something I notice with a lot of people who swear by alternative media. Two sides of the same coin IMO.

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No, you don't get it and your not paying attention either

I didn't condemn any of those conspiracy theories. I've researched and come to believe that everything you mentioned is a real conspiracy except for operation mockingbird, operation paperclip, and the 1919 world series.

This thread is directed at the continuous disinformation being pushed to the front of the truth movement instead of all the fantastic real topics you just listed.

Yes a plane did hit the Pentagon and everyone on flight 77 is dead.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

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The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

It doesn't have anything to

It doesn't have anything to do with the wingspan. The fuselage of a commercial plane -- in addition to the wingspan-- (which is essentially tin-foil wrapped around wire) could not penetrate the concrete fortress of the Pentagon. In this case, let's put aside the eye-witness accounts that describe a missal, and let's pretend no evidence of a plane was ever discovered, and let's also pretend all the video evidence wasn't conveniently absconded, and let's also pretend no experienced pilot has ever reproduced a direct hit in computer simulated reenactment, at the end of the day the laws of physics is really all we need to consider.

All this said, I don't take too much stock in sources at Popular Mechanics... There are many qualified physicists and military engineers who illustrate the impossibility of a commercial flight hitting the pentagon theory. The point is, you may subscribe to the theory that suggests a commercial plane hit the Pentagon, and that's fine and well. But to suggest a plane didn't hit the Pentagon is not as crazy you make it out to be. There are high-ranking retired military whistleblowers with top security clearance who would disagree with you.

I don't doubt all the people aboard flight 77 are dead... but at the end of the day, what the hell do we serfs know anyway? Maybe they're all in a slave labor camp somewhere on Mars...

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F=MA

100,000+ Pounds of "tin foil" multiplied by 500+ Miles per hour = More than enough force to go through a concrete wall.

I agree though, that we can't really know for sure and that the events on 9/11 did not occur exactly as the Government is telling us.

Like you said, what do we know anyways? Maybe the people on the 9/11 flights are the crisis actors everyone talks about so much.....

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I will continue to read 'alternative' explanations for . . .

everything. Because I KNOW (personally) of some things that I am not allowed to carry around evidence for (though I saw the evidence/proof)--

I know that crazy 'conspiracy' things can happen.

Do they happen exactly the way some affirm? No, of course not. There are disagreements among those who have alternative explanations for official events.

But, because I know the things I know and have held evidence for the things I know (which I remember, but which I have not been allowed to own/possess)--

I can read these things, and I can smile at those who laugh at everyone/anyone who questions. And I do mean question.

I question the official stories. I question the MSM. I question the POTUS and others who get up and say "this is what happened". I question it all--

I know something you don't know, and I can't prove it. But I know it.

So I can shake my head and smile at those of *you* who feel so superior, because you insist upon evidence in hand.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

No.7's picture

You're not paying attention

I believe in real conspiracy and I think it's awesome to question the official story. It's also great to question Alex Jones, David Icke and the rest of alternative media. That road travels both ways.

Some people blindly follow alternative media just as badly as other blindly follow mainstream media.

I'll listen to anything you have to say with an open mind, but if you tell me that Obama is a shapeshifting reptile who abducted you last night I'm going to assume you're crazy.

Do you get where I'm coming from?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Yes--

but I think most people on DP have the intelligence to sift--

Shape shifting (whatever it means) seems extreme to me, but then maybe I am just not interested--

or maybe I've just never read anything like that/this on here:

'Obama is a shapeshifting reptile who abducted {you} last night'--

I've never read anything quite like that; I've seen some David Icke stuff, but I don't usually read it--

well, I never have, to be frank--

I think I watched a few minutes of one youtube and then just lost interest--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

More than half of Americans

More than half of Americans believe in a magical man who lives in the sky, who created the earth and all it's beings, and can perform miracles.

Some of these same people like to sit in judgement of others and call them 'crazy' for their beliefs...whether it's a conspiracy theory or whatever.

Crazy is in the eye of the beholder.

P.S. For the record, I'm agnostic. I want more than anything for there to be a kind, loving God who has a master plan for all of us. I continue to search, but struggle with faith.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I've thought this before

DP is really fun during the primaries. Then the years between it turns into an open forum for all kinds of topics and some can get out there.

Then as you keep reading you learn a TON of stuff you never imagined to be true and it is. Then years later what was once a conspiracy is front page. And you're like hmmmm, and you get tell everyone all about it because you're ahead of them and it becomes a platform for more discussion.

This is a great place to learn, keep reading.

Yup...DHS buying massive

Yup...DHS buying massive amounts of ammo was just a conspiracy theory 2 years ago. Who was that guy who told us about it first?

Oh yeah...Alex Jones.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

It is true that bringing up real conspiracy will make you look

bad. If people give up on pointing out things, then we have lost. I am pretty sure there has been study on this and they know there would be conflict within movements and it is working. 2 billion bullets are not for target practice, a whole town should not have to go under Marshall law to catch 1 person. They should not be arresting people for selling raw milk, or having a garden. They should not be doing biodiversity studies, portraying people living like they did in feudal times. They shouldn't be allowing foods that are deemed toxic to be passed off as nutritional.

What we need to push for is a simplified legislation bill. The bill should make all legislation less technical and also make it understandable in layman's terms. They should also give people time to look it over and influence your representative.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

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No, real conspiracies are great to bring up

This thread is directed at the retarded theories about Eisenhouer meeting with the master race aliens, giant plane holograms that are actually missiles hitting the trade center and pentagon, and the notion that the dude in the pictures with his legs blown off was somehow an actor with fake blood and the EMT's and hospital just overlooked it.

That's the crap I'm against pushing to the front of the truth movement as many people here continuously and relentlessly try to do.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I have never heard of any of those things--

Eisenhower/aliens, holograms, a person without legs--

I didn't even look at it--

But as I said on another post, the evidence is not available to *us*/me--

so those who control the evidence have already neutralized *us*.

Trying to find evidence is mostly futile--

unless it's firsthand.

I didn't know anyone who was standing there in Boston on that day.

Etc.

I do know people who have been the 'recipient' of some pretty hellish social/biological experiments, and I dare not talk about them, because I'm afraid I'll just be labelled a 'conspiracy nut'--

I am aware that there is evil in the world; it's not just incompetence. There are those who plan evil things to do to other people--

because I know that firsthand, I find it hard to take seriously anyone who laughs at those of us who keep our minds open, even if we can't 'prove' anything--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Who cares if you're labeled a

Who cares if you're labeled a conspiracy nut? Self censorship is part of the psyops. If you have something to say, say it.

I don't care who claims what about whom or what. I will entertain anything or any claim critically. I don't need somebody else to tell me it's "crazy" or "absurd". I can think for myself, thank you.

true--

I'm considered crazy anyway, so what is the difference?

BUT, I refuse to deliberately expose myself to ridicule--

I don't have the time or energy to deal with it--

I'll pretty much know if someone wants to talk to me and has an open mind--

or not.

What other people think hasn't mattered much to me for many years, or I wouldn't have voted for Ron Paul in 1988--

and one of the challenges of my life (thank goodness, I'm not alone in this; I'm only half of 1988vote)--

is being alone with a lot of the ideas I have--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

7... If you want topics to go

7...

If you want topics to go away, why do you keep bringing them up? When you use words like 'retarded' and provoke people who believe something, all you're asking for is a response from them.

Some people around here just seem to like the drama.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

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I've fed the trolls and learned who believes what

Yes I wrote this thread to provoke an angry response and help identify who believes what. I try to ask questions and spark debate in most of my threads here.

Does the right to free speech include angry, provocative, and dramatic speech as well?

The best comments and ideas come out when someone is fired up, so what's wrong with firing people up? That's why Mike Kelly got a standing ovation, because he said what he sincerely felt.

When we lose our right to argue and create what you call "drama" then we have lost free speech to political correctness. I know I offended a good 50+ people with this thread, was that wrong?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

What's wrong with it is that you know darned well...

...that others are being banned and having their posting privileges removed for discussing things that you are taunting them with.

Even if it was a level playing field with discussion of the topics, it seems you're just out to pick fights and start a bar room brawl.

You're obviously not looking for productive discussion, but rather you're out to amuse yourself at the expense of others.

that's contradictory--

You say that this kind of discussion 'discredits' the movement, and yet you encourage this kind of discussion.

You can't have it both ways--

if you 'care' about the 'movement'--

I didn't get mad, and I don't call people names--

if you want to be angry, though, that is your right, I believe.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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I said the crazy theories discredit the movement

I didn't say logical discussion discredits the movement.

When someone comes to the DP and the 6 of the headlines they see are "boston victims are actors" "nobody died on 9/11" then they click the big red X and are slow to come back.

Don't get it twisted.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You can post about whatever

You can post about whatever you like bro...I could care less. If it looks interesting, I'll read it, if not, I don't.

But if you say..."I'm tired of having to read these relentless actor threads"...then stop bringing up the topic yourself.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Question

What brought you to this page. Was it CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC or ABC?
For me it was Aaron Russo. RIP!
Just wondering. Not every Conspiracy is a Theory! All Questions and Discussions are allowed on this site.
That's why its one of the best pages on the net.

No.7's picture

Google

I found the daily P.Au.L. through google while trying to educate myself around the beginning of Ron Paul's 2012 campaign run.

Compared to the average person I'm a big time conspiracy theorist. I'm not against conspiracies, I'm against the impossible absurd near retarded theories that get continuously shoved down everyone's throat. Like I said, Towers fell and people did die on 9/11. You can bet your ass that there is a lot more to the story than the commission reports tell us, but I don't for one second believe that missile/plane holograms did it. I do believe in the NWO/illuminati/whatever shadow government bent on creating their 'nuvos ordo seclorum'. I don't believe that their members are shape shifting reptilian alien hybrids. Do you get where I'm coming from?

Conspiracy theorizing is something that needs to be well researched and backed with facts or the theorist will become a laughing stock. Placing insane and absurd theories all over a liberty oriented website helps to discredit all members and portray a negative stereotype to the many curious visitors the DP receives every day.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Ha!...

...that's a good one! I remember when the "housing bubble financial collapse" used to be a "conspiracy theory" that I used to follow RP in believing...aaghh...I'm so ashamed for falling for that one...

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