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Rand Paul Did Not Say That! UPDATE: Jones Speaks Out

"Rand Paul: Libertarians Advocate 'Everyone Go Out… Run Around with No Clothes On and Smoke Pot'" is the headline floating around the internet lately. Only problem is, like Rand's drone "flip flop" - debunked by Judge Nap here - it is totally made up. The misquote seems to have originated from the title to an Info Wars article, but the actual quote, as quoted even in that article, is "I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot." That's plainly not the same thing, and the only reason one could even try to interpret it that way is because the following quote (apparently not all one quote) is "I'm not a libertarian" (by the by, how do we know whether he spoke it with a small "l"?). Fair enough; let's try to track down the full quote unabridged. I googled the actual quote, and the only hits were to the IW article a WaPo article (source of the IW article) and others quoting them - most quoting the Info Wars article. That's no help; when and where did he say it? The IW article says "Rand Paul made the comment at a sold-out Republican dinner in Iowa." Which appears to be a misunderstanding of the WaPo article's "The rollout of the new Paul brand continued Friday night in Iowa, home to the first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses, where he headlined a sold-out Republican Party dinner and drew repeated applause from GOP activists." That Friday (5/10/13) Iowa dinner can be found on C-SPAN where Rand speaks from about the 40 minute to 1 hour marks. I watched it through twice and didn't hear the quote at all. If anyone can find the full interview/speech where Rand said "I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot," please let me know where it can be found.

So what did we learn from this?
1. The divide and conquer trolls have been successful in the liberty movement (either they have spread their venom enough for Info Wars writers to latch on, or they write for Info Wars)
2. If a ≠ b, and a ≠ c, then b must = c
3. Kurt Nimmo really needs to learn how to write

UPDATE: Alex Jones speaks out about Rand Paul and the Kurt Nimmo article:
http://youtu.be/m-YRgBPY52o

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gee whiz

Alex Di$info Jone$ strikes again!

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Interestingly all the comments have been removed, and the comments section closed. The Google cached version (from Jun 29, 2013 17:27:50 GMT) also has no comments. About a month ago there were a lot of comments - many factual rebuttals. What is Mr. Nimmo afraid of? I'm beginning to think Kurt Nimmo in Slumberland is not just dumb; he's acting like a shill.

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I haven't listen to AJ [live] for so long I'd forgotten...

how much the likes of Nimmo drove me away. Nimmo sort of represents most of what I don't like at InfoWars. Paul Joseph Watson on the other hand, represents most of what I still like...

Alex has been critical of

Alex has been critical of Rand in the past, and I'm happy to see him come to Rand's defense on this and show that he understands what Rand was saying.

it would be pretty stupid for

it would be pretty stupid for a group of opponents quoting something their opponent said their NOT advocating, by saying they advocate it, in the context of this particular quote of rands, remarking on what opponents of rand and many others, tend to do a lot, which is putting words in peoples mouths

Does that make sense, because i kinda had a brain fart re- reading it.......:), maybe im just tired

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I could have SWORN i have seen this video

I could have SWORN i have seen this video. but i just spent the last hour looking around and cant find it anywhere.
some of the articles had links to "watch speech" or similar but they are now glitched or link to just text.

one thing I have noticed... 99.9% of the articles out there are verboten from the Washington post article including the link to it.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Welcome to the "news cycle"...

Or rather the spin cycle. Brought to you by people putting too much faith in journalists.

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Disinfo Wars

Seriously... How overtly emotion can a "news" source get? Glad this is debunked.

Disinfo wars is just as sensational as most of the news sources out there, except this time it doesn't even interpret the originL auote

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Good post

It seems some are going out of their way to trash Rand before he makes any choice whether to run for POTUS.

Gold standard: because man can not be trusted to control his greed

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I too watched this speech live on C-SPAN

the night he was in Iowa. Was pleasantly surprised to see him featured on the "Road to the White House 2016" evening showing after a painfully boring and effortless speech by Bobby Jindhal.

Why is this not featured? http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/GOPD

Rand had the crowd on fire and he's a really funny guy. Being down to Earth has served him well in conveying his message.

The next day, I was highly disappointed that there was no news of this speech on the front page of the Daily Paul (what the heck is this site for again?!?). That Rand Paul can give such a great speech in the first of the nation primary state and all we have is crickets on this site about it (oh wait, we did have people who never watched the speech posting articles about a quote that those of us who watched it never heard regardless of what he meant by it).

I forgot, tearing people down is our business. Not always seeking the truth.

This was made worse by this egregious quote taken from InfoWars.com. I read it on Info Wars first and wondered when he made that comment during his speech. I also noted the sensationalized title that took the quote cited in the article, out of context. Is this deliberate by writer Kurt Nimmo?

Source material or it didn't happen. This is basic criteria for critical thinking. We even have people posting responses like the one below this one that lack the knowledge of how burden of proof works! Sorry my fellow DP bloggers but even you sometimes fall for lazy mentality of reading headlines instead of getting facts and sources. I'm tired of the hearsay from our msm or sometimes independent media outlets.

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If you think Rand Paul's

If you think Rand Paul's comments are not a reference to libertarians, the burden of proof is on you.

Washington, DC NW

Burden of Proof

Info Wars is the one that accused Rand of saying libertarians advocate everyone go out...run around with no clothes on and smoke pot. Yet they provided no evidence.

"The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: 'the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges.'" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. "If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof

Why is everyone upset by this? Because libertarians argue "Hey! We don't advocate everyone go out...run around with no clothes on and smoke pot." But this is exactly what Rand said! He was giving a defense of libertarianism! The only reason his comments can be interpreted negatively is that they proceed "I'm not a libertarian," but there is no way to know from the article whether the statements were made at the same time. The burden of proof is on you or IW or whoever claims they were together when there is no evidence of such.

Either way, how can Rand claim simultaneously "I'm not a libertarian" and "I'm a libertarian Republican"? Republican is a party, and he is a member, but party aside, one is either a libertarian or one is not a libertarian; he cannot be both! Do you really think he's that dumb? "I’m not a libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican." How do we know what the capitalization of those words is? Try this: "I’m not a Libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican." this one minor interpretive difference makes it mean "I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party, I'm a philosophical libertarian that is a member of the Republican Party."

P.S. My friend said you're a CIA troll, and if you think you're not in the CIA, the burden of proof lies with you.

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Maybe, just maybe it's in reference to folks like this...

Adam claims that this is an insult to all libertarians. Adam, the same man who put out a video entitled: Smoking DMT is libertarian and, at least, 4 other videos showing himself engaging in illegal drug use.

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BUMP

I have said this before, if Rand is subjected to the same blatant smears, hostility and blackouts by the media then he is a threat to the establishment. ...and I will say this again, I stand with Rand.

Great post

I had been disappointed in Rand when I read that quote. Now I know it was bull.

Also, great point on the upper-case 'L' in 'Libertarian'. I'm certain that's how he used it - he usually does just that.

The way to identify misinformation is to read commie Dem blogs

The commie savages on reddit jumped on this Reason hit piece with gleeful hate. That is the strongest indicator of bullshit (even more than Rand's own words).

Seriously. You have to take a Republican's word (including both Pauls) with a grain of salt, but you can assume the propaganda cheered by Democrat media is at best manipulated to make a Republican seem as bad as possible, and more typically the exact opposite of the truth. This was a hit piece written by a Beltwaytarian and cheered by Dem propagandists. The red flags should have been automatic.

Beltwaytarian

Thanks. "Beltwaytarian" is agreat word to add to my vocabulary.

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Bump!

Well said.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

I will stick with Rand.

He is the only politician that offers a ray of hope to a beleaguered USA.

I wish this thread would gain

I wish this thread would gain more traction.

It's sad to see Rand get torn apart by lies perpetrated by the media and our own people can't even realize it.

I just keep asking

When did Rand even say he WAS a Libertarian?

When did Rand say he was PRO-Legalization?

and I get crickets or other dribble. People are putting their own spin on it and not recognizing the shit articles that are getting put out there.

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Rand made his personal

Rand made his personal feelings on the drug war clear when he was the sole no vote against the ban on synthetic drugs a while back. Unless the sea change in public opinion accelerates though, I would be very supprised if he ever came out swinging against the drug war. I'm hoping that he would at least let states set thier own policy (including legalization) and have federal agencies facilitate. No doubt we'll have to keep a close eye on things, but ultimately, it's up to use to fix this by winning over more people.