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NY Firefighters are in Florida talking about Giuliani

And they aren't saying nice things.

@Raw Story - video
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Firefighter_Giuliani_ran_like_...

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theres got to be tons of fire fighters in florida

I would Imagine they contacted every single one
are these guys supporters of Ron Paul

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson

The only thing I can think of...

If I'm correct, there were some strings pulled by Rudy to purchase the radios from a friend.

So, the only thing I can think of that would piss off the Chief so badly is if:

1. The Chief had already tested several radios and put in his recommendations to Rudy, and
2. Rudy ignored the Chief's recommendations to cushion his friend's wallet.

That's the only way I can see how the Chief is getting away with saying that Rudy failed to test the radios. He made a crooked deal and didn't test the product he purchased, but gave the radios to the firemen anyway.

Good article!

Good article!

Not to defend Rudy, but it's not the Mayor's job to test radios.

The Fire Chief should have had this done. I spent 28 years in the fire service working my way up to Division Chief. The Mayor doesn't concern himself with such trivialities as testing radios. He has much bigger fish to fry. And it only makes sense that he would go to another building to set up a command post. Every city worth it's salt has an alternate EOC (Emergency Operations Center) to use in case something happens to the main one. Since the main EOC was in one of the buildings that was on fire, of course it was moved to an alternate location.

But, in any case, I guess this works to our advantage if Rudy gets less votes.

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It wasn't about "testing" radios

If I recall the story correctly, they were promised by then Mayor Giulliani that they would receive radios that "WORKED." Giulliani put the NYFD off for the longest time - for months - until he supposedly found a source that he gave the deal to - probably one that likely gave him an illegal "kickback" for giving them the contract. As it turns out, all the NYFD received were MORE nonworking radios. In other words, he never did anything for the NYFD other than let them down time and time again, and finally, even turn and run abandoning them. Wow! What a Hero!

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Not to defend the firefighters but....

It's also not the mayor's job to travel the country getting campuses to shell out 500k for mediocre speeches about how he was the "hero" of 911. It's also not the NYC taxpayer's job to pay for his adulterous vacationing jaunts and womanizing instead of properly equipping the NYPD. That "hero" showed his salt by cutting their funds and closing down more Fire HQ's than any other mayor. He also "solved" homelessness in NYC by throwing the homeless in either a jail house or an insane asylum. His genius solution to the crime problem was to hand every incompetent tom, dick and harry a badge and a gun along with marching orders that gave cops the option to throw you in jail for jaywalking. This resulted in some of the most brutal trigger-happy policing this country has ever seen. Meanwhile, Timesquare was sold to Disney, the east village was sold to NYU allowing for rent to become jacked up so high that all of those "pesky low-income types" had to retreat further into crime-ridden areas where the protection of Rudy's "deputies" is not alloted so that New York could maintain it's glossy spit-shine while it continues to rot from within.........And people wonder why he was so hated here as a mayor.

"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."

I'm just curious.... Was it

I'm just curious....

Was it the radio shop's fault?

Why didn't the Batt Chiefs get called on the carpet for that?

I was curious about Bldg. 7 also. It may have been struck by debris but why did it burn? I also watched it drop a couple of dozen times. I worked in government for 14 years as a building inspector and I've never seen such a perfect structural failure. Pretty remarkable. i'm no 911 conspiracy buff but I'd have to say something stinks.

was there not also

a rush to bring in the bull dozers and earth moving machinery to clear the debris with absolutely no sensitivity to the fact that human remains of thousands were still buried there many of which were fireman? I think they are pissed off at 'gules' for his obstinate role in that atrocious example of human behavior as well.

Most of the debris was shipped to china

Before you could say lead paint. It's also important to consider that Rudy gave the green light for one of the most important crime scenes in history to be completely dismantled immediately after the rescue effort stopped. Did I also mention that he had knowledge of how unsafe that the air was at the time down there but still kept it under wraps. He even gave people special "discount rates" if you moved to asbestos coated lower manhattan shortly after the police tape lifted.

"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."

People get paid

extra for transporting Hazardous materials all the time. I know I use to do it. You should see what I got paid to do Macy's fire works. wow that was nice.

When cleaning up after the terror attack we were all asked to put on resportators. Most of did not because we more concerned with finding people than anything else.

Yes mistakes were made, but that does not mean Rudy created 9/11 to get rich.

Rush?

There was pile of burning debris until January.
There was not Rush.
There were legitimate major health concerns that helped expedite things not not a rush.

Underground tunnels.....

have nothing to do with the topical structure of buildings. Oh, and by the way. The subway didn't collapse under WTC7.

"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."

OMFG you nut jobs

Did you ever see the crater left behind from the trade centers.
Honestly that was one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

He didn't need to test any

He didn't need to test any radios. They already KNEW they were defective. He wouldnt allocate funds to get them new ones, even though he knew previously that the firefighters had faulty equipment.

OMFG

Thank you sooooo much.
I am the only that says that. I
You are 100% correct. This campaign is takes the high road. I do not like smearing just to win.

I was there on 9/11 evacuating down town
I severd in the clean up
I lost friends and people closer than family.

Rudy did an excellent job on 9/11 and after!

I was from NY

and NO Rudy didn't do an excellent job! First, he decided to let people go back into ground zero even though the report he had said that it was way to contaminated (and radioactive) to be in the area. He also signed off to have all the evidence shipped out of country in a hurry. He hasn't fought to get the firefighters and volunteers the healthcare they need. And tell me if rightous Rudy was so great... how come he hasn't questioned the official 9/11 report (not as a conspiracy theory or the like) because it is so full of holes and missing pieces of testimony. All the facts should have been looked at and they were not. He should have been the biggest voice for the people of NY about these issues - and then he could preach 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. He's just bought and sold neo-con trash.

Joe

Do you think anyone cared about alittle

radiation?
and you were there on 9/11?

Yeah?

You say "Rudy did an excellent job on 9/11 and after!"

So, how come he ordered "debris" to be hauled away (at a profit for himself) before remains could be recovered?

That must be why my parents' backyard patio in CT is now a 9/11 memorial, huh? All that "debris" trucked out of the WTC area for Fresh Kills and points north... crushed up and delivered to various construction companies. Used to fill potholes and build retaining walls and backfill 15K patios on CT's Gold Coast?

My mother has ziploc bags full of human bone shards she picked out of the fill material while the patio was being constructed in 2002. NY Government denied her finds when she reported them, but she still has the bags of bones. Late last year, we all learned that Rudy did, in fact, sell off and order the removal of "debris" which still contained heroes' remains.

Rudy is a dirty fascist. At least Mussolini got the trains running on time.

Moran

barged the stuff to fresh kills because that is where the old garbage dumbs were. It is was and still is a perfect place to comb through debris to look for information.

Sac_Jeff

You are a lying piece of dirt. You were not there and your buddy Rudy is a slime. I know this from first hand and second hand experiences. I have flagged your post and asked Mr. Nystrom to remove you from further discussions. Selling out the fireman on 911 was just one of the many horrible things he has done to America.

Bob W., Naples, FL

You can suck my lying sac of dirt

You can look up my name scum bag on the DOT and DOD.

Don't be ridiculous

I thought one characteristic of most RP supporters is that they do their homework. Rudy KNEW the radios were defective, that's their beef ! Rudy put the emergency response HQ in the very complex that was targeted less than 10 years earlier--while he was mayor. That's why he was wandering around the streets, because he had no HQ. His advisor even TOLD him not to put it in there, and he did anyway because he always thinks he's right. These things go on and on... Do your homework

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"I killed the banks"

R U kidding me?

You think a mayor does every little thing? A mayor manages a city. NYC is HUGE. You really think Rudy gets involved in what radios the FD uses? He does not even get involved in the cars the cops drive.

WAKE UP

The federal government set up THEIR headquarters there too.
Let think for a moment.
Ron Paul sets up a head quarters in a city. If you wanted to asst him where would you set up your head quarters?

Not only are Ron Paul supporters educated they think for themselves and look into the whole story not just the little pieces that support our own personal agenda or ideology.

Here

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rudy+fdny&search...

pick your testimonial... Are they ALL lying? Google Rudy + FDNY and look it up ... verify. He's also the one tied to that super-corrupt chief of police Bernie Kerik. His law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani is representing Cintra, the Spanish company that is buy/building toll roads for the NAFTA highway... And on and on...

"In 2007, the firm represented a Spanish firm, Cintra Concesiones de Infrastructures de Transporte, S.A., a subsidiary of the Grupo Ferrovial, in its negotiations to operate a toll road as part of the controversial Trans-Texas Corridor. The Bracewell & Giuliani website states, 'The award to Cintra, approved by the Texas Transportation Commission, is the first privatization of a Texas toll road.'"

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"I killed the banks"

For every fire fighter complaining

there are 20 cheering.

I say that is a pretty good ratio.

You tube does not mean squat. It is a great source to get people opinions and not a good place to get an education.

And try to stay focused. We are talking about 9/11. A single event you are throwing our red herrings, bring up topics not directly related.

My point

was that Rudy is corrupt and a horrible decision maker, not that he JUST screwed up on 9/11.

The YT videos represent real people's experiences in dealing with Rudy, what does the medium have to do with the message?

None of this matters, because Rudy will NEVER be president. You can argue and claim I'm throwing out "red herrings" all you want ... But nothing you say will change the facts, or anyone's mind here on this forum.

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"I killed the banks"

You tube = opinion

not facts.
And I agree with you overall assumption of Rudy.
But is an insane idea to think Rudy personally purchased broken radios to kill fire fighters. And then completely give RP a pass on racist papers written under his name.
Think for a moment!!!! Things happen all the time. When you are running big cities, families, and other things. People use you name and you authority to do stupid stuff.
We can dream up things all the times but we need to apply reason to evidence.
As a chemist. I have to do this all the time. It is common practice. You go with the preponderant of evidence even when a piece of evidence completely contradicts you prediction. 95% of the time you will be correct going with the proponderance of the evidence.

im sorry. Rudy Giuliani is a

im sorry. Rudy Giuliani is a corrupt piece of sh*t.