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Idea for Daily Paul: Debate Corner

A lot of arguments going back and forth around here about content.

Although Nystrom & Company like to point out that this is private property, which it is, it should also be pointed out that it is a blog where 99% of the content is posted by people other than Nystrom & Company.

A blog is all about content, driving traffic to the site, so it can be monetized. To be monetized, though, there must be traffic, and traffic to a blog is all about content. In the case of DP, 99% of that content is created by the participants.

Treating the participants badly is like Walmart saying they won't sell certain products. Sure, they can get away with it at first, but if they keep doing it, they will destroy their own business.

Personally, I think Nystrom will probably come up with some sort of guidelines on what is off limits, and then we can all decide to vote with our feet, or stay.

In the meantime, I have an idea that maybe others can add to and maybe be refined, and see what Nystrom thinks when he gets back in action.

In looking at the layout of the website, there is some redundancy on the right column. There's an ad at the top, which I assume will stay in place since it is prime real estate. But below that, there are 5 different sections, all of which point to recent posts, top posts, special posts, etc.

I think there is room there for a "Debate Corner." With a Debate Corner, mods could direct certain threads or discussions there. But what I have never seen on the internet is a REAL debate area where rules are adhered to and maybe even people could vote on who "wins."

One thing that has been creeping into the DP has been a lot of people specializing in ad homenim attacks, strawman, red herring, trolling, and generally cluttering threads with nonsense distractions.

Ideally, a Debate Corner would not allow those types of posts, and would kick those people out of the threads.

The Main part of DP could be news articles about what is going on in the world of liberty and the Debate Corner could be for debating ideas, events, whatever. Religion vs. Atheism. False Flag vs. Incompetent Gubmint. Minarchism vs. Anarcho-Capitalism. Rand Great vs. Rand Sucks. Whatever.

Just a thought -- but something I don't think is being done anywhere else on the internet. The key, for me at least, would be a set of DEBATE RULES that MUST be honored, or those not honoring would have their posts deleted for not honoring the spirit of the Debate Corner.

What say you?

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a good way to engage the rest of the site

is by having a voter section, where who voted for what can be seen. Vote by having sections that they need to see who did better, such as:

Conduct, who was more polite and not rude?

Convincing argument?

Who won your opinion?

better evidence?

better structure for debate, so people are more likely to comprehend it?

and so on.

If this happens, I am sure it would be amazing.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Another good idea

Would make others views more transparent.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

It seems like

most of the people are not very interested in debating

groupthinking and group polarization is not a good idea...

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

I'd be down but nearly

I'd be down but nearly everyone I run into here has no idea what a real debate is... maybe I just spend to much time in the chat room, which seems to have more a bar atmosphere.

What do you mean?

a real debate? you mean the kind that is generally used in sites like Debate.org? the kind used by National Forsenic League? Where there's a pro and con?

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Genuine or Counterfeit?

If it were a genuine contest of finding the more accurate viewpoint, then that would be one thing, but if it were an anything goes, any lie will do, so long as the winner wins, then that would be something else, and so a possible idea could be to access the MOB.

There is a thing called the wisdom of crowds, which can be confused with an angry mob that is stirred up by a very clever lie, and the mod is then directed by the liar to go hang some poor innocent person.

There is a logical, reasonable, basis for the things that work, such as Trial by Jury, and the science of statistics.

So long as the flow of information is a truly free market, meaning it is free from deception, the end result is higher quality, and lower cost information.

So the one idea, this debate corner idea, can be combined with another idea, such as a method of judging, or trying the case, whereby one viewpoint is measured for quality and cost relative to another viewpoint, such as may be the case where honest people are trying to find a higher quality viewpoint, at a lower cost, and so the honest people compare notes.

If a drama queen is out to spoil such fun, by inventing any lie that will work to accomplish whatever goal the liar may have in mind, dividing to conquer, or whatever, who knows, and liars don't often confess, then a means by which such liars can be accurately identified, and exposed, during such things as debates, so called, then what goal could be worked toward if that was done?

Higher quality viewpoints that work out to be lower cost viewpoints?

Examples abound.

Example 1

Debate Corner Test Run 101

What are three of the most competitive things that can be done by a certain date to ensure the preservation of Liberty for all those inclined toward Liberty?

Someone might offer The Liberty Day Challenge to be done by July 4th 2013, where those participating are asked to do specific things to reach for the following goals:

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home

That competitive laundry list could include much greater detail, to answer the Debate Test Question.

A competitor could offer a different list, and the Debate over the relative value of one list compared to the other list could ensue.

I don't know, what the other laundry list would be, but I can invent one for illustration.

1.
Impeach Obama
2.
Defend Israel
3.
Punish Illegal Aliens

Whatever, who knows, but the idea here would be to combine the power of The Free Market of Ideas, or a Debate Corner, which would be what it is, with or without a fancy label, and then combine that with a method by which the liars are accurately identified, and avoided by those who prefer a Free Market of Ideas that is free from the lies told by high paid liars.

Trial by Debate Juries combined with Debate Corner?

Joe

It was suggested last night in the Mod Inbox by a different name

Drama Corner.

I like the...

...idea of a Debate Corner for a more formalized approach to converse, but I don't think I'd want to see all posts with the topics you mentioned dragged there to be punished or persecuted in gladiatorial fashion.

I'd rather see some kind of status of posts that's in the middle -- in between the glorified pedestal of a headline listing on the front page and the stigma/limbo/hell of 'Off-Topic' or 'Debate Arena'. These posts would be present and visible within their respective 'rooms' of the 'house' (Religion, etc.), without leaking out to the front porch in full display of everyone coming up the 'sidewalk' and crossing the 'threshold'. More partitioning in other words without the stigma of 'Off Topic' no man's land or the gladiator spectacle of 'Debate Corner'.

Invite liberals and statists

Invite liberals and statists to debate.

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YES

A very good idea. Though it should be an area to set up debates in rounds, and voting system based on judging.

This could very well work, and top ranking debates would have a section, so we can inform each other of the wisdom

it would be diffcult to distinguish comment and debate claims. Having an area such as that would be big

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

It would also sharpen our debating and arguing skills

Some people would get burned but you learn a lot from getting beaten.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Should it be in a traditional debate?

Such as, there's a proposal, topic, or whatever, and then have the Pro try to prove, it, and have the con try to dismantle it?

Example:

Resolution: The United States government is justified in intervening in affairs of foreign countries

then pro con can engage in debate by the acceptation of the instigator, and then we can watch a battle of ideas.

Of course, the definitions and such have to be agreed by both of the debators.

Also, there should be a "Today's top debate" some how, like arranged by popularity, numbers of voters, or whatever, I am sure this would be a wonderful idea for people to debate.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Yes that would be good

Also people could pick holes in others arguments to sharpen our message and make it bullet proof.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

"Off Topic"

I think all conspiracy posts, negative posts, etc should just be thrown into an "off topic" section... Still providing them an outlet, but hidden from productive conversations.

To copy my reply...

...from a similar discussion:

...'Off-Topic' feels like some kind of limbo or hell where posts go to die -- some closet under the stairs where the uncle and aunt hide Harry away. I was thinking more along the lines of a post debating theology in a manner you wouldn't want displayed on the front page, still staying in the 'Religion' room, but having some kind of flag set, such that it won't spill out that room's door. Then it doesn't have the stigma of 'Off-Topic' nor the pedestal of the front page.

Debate corner?

Is that anything like a free speech zone?

Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves upon the ruin of this Country. John Adams

More like a troll decoy thread...

keep 'em corraled that way...

Pandas eat bugs.

I think it sounds like a great idea.

Wish I had thought of it :)

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."