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Why I Come to DP

I read at the DP mainly b/c I’m a Ron Paul supporter and generally can relate to the thoughts and opinions reflected by other Ron Paul supporters who show up here. After Ron Paul exited the race for president last year, I had a “tapering off” period and quit coming for a while after the GOP criminal convention. I showed up in January a bit and followed the chatter around Sandy Hook. It was a great place to see a lot of different information and consider the implications. I saw some kooky ideas but clustered with those were not-so-kooky ideas and I just – as an adult – sifted out the ones I thought were offensive or unfounded. Then I took a little break again.

When Boston happened I came back because I knew the DP community would be a wealth of information – a firestorm of investigation, questioning, debating, vetting, arguing, more information. I rely on the typical (not that any of you is typical) DP participant to brainstorm against the official MSM and government lines of explanation for these big “events” that help us all seek truth about what’s really happening. I rely on the fact that there will be stuff that goes beyond what is probable but mostly I have relied upon what I perceived to be a very free, open, and unmolested exchange of debate with no taboo topics. It felt like there was oxygen in this place and some elbow room for lovers of freedom and diversity.

Lately I am disheartened to witness the calls for and exercise of censorship. I have seen the arguments about this being Michael’s property, his house, his property ad nauseum. I don’t intend to argue against that line of reasoning. A case can be mounted on those grounds, to prohibit any topic at all, according to the whims of the site creator and appointed mods. Once this begins, it is no longer a place for free and open debate, rather a place for debate with constraints beyond most of the community’s control. The oxygen is getting kinda sucked out.

I don’t think the big issue is about fake blood and crisis actors. I think the big issue is about freedom vs. control. But this is and always has been the core struggle of human community, right? We want to be free, but some are free to control. I think it’s a terrible shame that passionate supporters of Ron Paul are being “lined out” for fighting for freedom of expression. It reminds me of the RP delegate candidates getting pushed out at election centers last year b/c they don’t “toe” the line of the establishment duopoly. It is an irony of epic proportion.

So what? So I’m just one unknown participant at the DP who will likely be downvoted and criticized for criticizing. That’s fine. It’s the nature of the free exchange and I say “bring it,” even if it’s against me. I don’t really care who started this site, or who moderates for this site. I’m not into personalities, heroes, champions, etc.

Even Ron Paul is not my “hero,” though he has my deep respect for leading on and representing the ideas in which I believe. I care more about ALL the people here who love freedom and love to challenge and who are even a little off their rockers from time to time. I don’t expect or want you to be proper, politically correct, sensitive, intellectual, coloring in the lines, in other words – like those who don’t want individuality. I thought individuality was a big part of the point at the DP, yet see a creeping collective attack “pack” behavior surfacing. Is it a sinister infiltration? Is it just inevitable human hypocrisy? I don’t know. No clue. But either way, it’s revolting and cowardly.

So to all of you DPers who participate and advance your ideas (even the ones I think are stupid), hats off to you for being lovers of freedom and supporters of Ron Paul’s ideas. Surely there is always SOMETHING we are going to agree upon. It seems evident the topic of banning isn’t it. I wish someone able and willing would start another community and engage the competitive, free market principle where it comes to the Ron Paul supporting liberty community; a place where the open debate wouldn’t slide to the inevitable direction of control to which it always seems to slide. It would be tough to rival this DP…it’s a fabulous set-up and sorta like the Drudge (only better) for Ron Paul supporters.

For a while, I’m sure I’ll continue to visit and appreciate the sharing that you all do here that make this site what it is – and YOU are the ones who make it so great. Fighters keep fighting…I’m with you. Never give up on freedom. And people – could you stop being nasty to each other when you disagree? Just disagree but have some decency to do it without resorting to pettiness. If you love Ron Paul, he’s an incredible example of staying respectful to his opponents while disagreeing. Check him out.

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One comment that caught my

One comment that caught my attention last night was when the mod Jon referred to some Boston content as 'libelous'.

I'm on the side of people like Fishy and Skippy over censorship issues, but as a guy who owns dozens of sites myself...I also realize that Michael opens himself up to all sorts of liabilities and potential problems by having the DP. We need to keep this in mind.

Michael doesn't appear to generate a lot of revenue from the DP. Once or twice a year he has had to have fundraisers to pay the bills around here. Maybe some days he may feel it's not even worth the time and trouble for the potential financial risk he is taking. Lawsuits bankrupt people every day.

And that's just FINANCIAL risk. If FEMA does have a 'Red List' and 'Blue List' like Alex Jones says, liberty leaders like Michael could easily be targets. When Argentina collapsed, the first thing the government did was go after tens of thousands of newspaper editors, political opponents, etc. A large number of people DISAPPEARED overnight.

At the end of the day, we're all on the same side of the fight. Let's keep that in mind.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

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Disagree strongly

Comments are the copyright of the commenter, posts are copyright of the poster, DP has absolutely no liability for me saying so-and-so has bad breath.

Agree that publishers take risks by publishing, but so does anyone.

Evil actions are evil actions, regardless of who takes part in them: the police routinely kidnap, steal, and in some cases murder. Similarly, silencing voices is evil even if they're random. There's a moderation system. Use it, not evil actions.

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"Comments are the copyright

"Comments are the copyright of the commenter, posts are copyright of the poster, DP has absolutely no liability for me saying so-and-so has bad breath".

The issue is treated differently all over the world. The laws and rules change all the time. You can win your case and still have tens of thousands in legal bills. I have a $19,000 legal bill from 4 years ago to prove it. It was over a copyrighted file uploaded to my site.

http://journlaw.com/2012/09/11/legal-responsibility-online-a...

"The courts have long held that anyone having direct responsibility for a publication is legally liable for it, so if your blog or comment is on the website or social media site of another organisation, both you as the writer and whoever is hosting your work can be sued for defamation".

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

TwelveOhOne's picture

Host offshore?

I'm not sure what else to say, or how else to respond to tyranny.

I feel for you. I'm sorry for your loss.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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Thanks...no worries though.

Thanks...no worries though. It was a learning experience. I should have and could have diffused the situation before it went too far. I paid and went on about my business.

I don't know if you've heard about the Righthaven lawsuits.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/copyright-troll-r...

They were ROYALLY screwing with small blog owners. I'm glad the courts finally put them out of business.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

TwelveOhOne's picture

Yes, and I remember Slashdot

and the Scientology scandal. That was the only time that Slashdot ever deleted a post.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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what an awesome way to desribe the whole liberty movement

"DP community would be a wealth of information – a firestorm of investigation, questioning, debating, vetting, arguing, more information. I rely on the typical (not that any of you is typical) DP participant to brainstorm against the official MSM and government lines of explanation for these big “events” that help us all seek truth about what’s really happening. I rely on the fact that there will be stuff that goes beyond what is probable but mostly I have relied upon what I perceived to be a very free, open, and unmolested exchange of debate with no taboo topics. It felt like there was oxygen in this place and some elbow room for lovers of freedom and diversity."

In what other community is discussion of ANYTHING promoted... and even the worst of differing opinions are celebrated because it all helps bring out the truth.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

I come here because I'm

I come here because I'm bored and I need my daily dose of high blood pressure and seething anger.

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Best

Best laugh I've had all day.

Eric Hoffer

Good post, but

breaking it up into paragraphs would probably make it easier for people to read. +1

edit: there they are ;o

A signature used to be here!

Wonderful, profound.

I agree with you. And I like what you said about human nature at work here.

As I have said before, in my opinion, that's how the sausages get made around here. In other words, that's the process which produces all this bounty of enlightenment. Struggling against the process is counterproductive. And un-Tao. And I'm sure exhausting for everyone involved (who are following orders from Michael, it should be noted).

Thanks for your post. I hope it gets read.

One thing that always impressed me about Ron Paul

is that he was never rude to others when disagreeing with them.

You are right this attitude can go a long way.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Dr. Ronald Paul:

"The true gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self‑control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe." -John Wayland

Great quote!

:)

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

me too.

RP, always a true gentleman, regardless of his position on issue.