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Are Biometrics already national law ? This article UPDATE: FLASH

Has a seemingly innocuous quote that seems to indicate they indeed are already law. But when?


This is being debated as part of the current immigration bill, the quote He said the system's partial implementation marked a "retreat from current law," which already requires a nationwide biometric system. The requirement has not been fulfilled because of the cost. 

This from EPICs website

The REAL ID Act of 2005
The REAL ID Act of 2005 creates a de facto national identification card. Ostensibly voluntary, it would become mandatory as those without the card would face suspicion and increased scrutiny. It is a law imposing federal technological standards and verification procedures on state driver's licenses and identification cards, many of which are beyond the current capacity of the federal government, and mandating state compliance by May 2008. In fact, REAL ID turns state DMV workers into federal immigration officials, as they must verify the citizenship status of all those who want a REAL ID-approved state driver's license or identification cards. State DMVs would far move away from their core mission -- to license drivers.

REAL ID was appended to a bill providing tsunami relief and military appropriations, and passed with little debate and no hearings. The REAL ID Act repealed provisions in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which contained "carefully crafted language -- bipartisan language -- to establish standards for States issuing driver's licenses," according to Sen. Richard Durbin. After more than two years, the Department of Homeland Security issued draft regulations for state compliance on March 1, 2007.

The National Conference of State Legislatures estimates (pdf) that the cost to the states will be more than $11 billion over five years. This is more than 100 times the $100 million cost that Congress initially estimated. For 2006, $40 million was allocated for start-up costs. It is likely that the cost will be shouldered by the public. The Department of Homeland Security originally estimated that REAL ID will cost $23.1 billion over 10 years. But, when the agency released the final rule in January 2008, it made dubious assumptions and claimed that the national ID system would only cost $9.9 billion.

EPIC and 24 experts in privacy and technology submitted detailed comments (pdf) in May 2007 on the draft regulations explaining the many privacy and security threats raised by the REAL ID Act. The fundamentally flawed national identification system is unworkable and the REAL ID Act must be repealed. In particular, the group admonishes DHS for its failure to include adequate privacy and security safeguards for this massive national identification database. DHS's own Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee has refused (pdf) to endorse the agency's plan. "The Committee feels it is important that the following comments do not constitute an endorsement of REAL ID or the regulations as workable or appropriate."

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I'm guessing

That it's the one supposed to take effect next December requiring you to have an "optional" biometric ID if you want to fly or enter any federal buildings.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

They would have to have a

They would have to have a national campaign for this though. The number of people that fly and are in buildings and all that would mean they cant possibly spring it over night on everyone unless they want to shut everything down.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

It's set to take effect 12/1/2014

Under the Real ID act. It's been in the works since 9/11 (at least).


Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie


I'm going to bing it and study up.
UPDATE: bing
RealID act 2005, there is a national law already in effect for everyone.
Thanks again.

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

No problem!

I only realized it when my state started running advertisements for the new "STAR ID." I became suspicious and started reading about it. I have no intentions of getting one.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Me either

Ill opt out until they say I can't at which point I'll opt out anyway.

God Bless

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington