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The Great Sovereign Challenge

To all who claim they legally travel with no license, discharge debts with "straw man" or "accepted for value" because they are sovereigns, here's your chance.

You get to publically show what a studmuffin (or muffinette) you happen to be. If you win, I will publicly agree that the straw man exists and that you are now a sovereign, plus I will do your laundry and wash your car for a year.

But: you have to have proof. A traffic ticket dismissed because the judge was too busy, or the cop didn't show, won't suffice. So you have to show that you did some sovereign mumbo jumbo, and that a court somewhere ruled, in writing, that not only did you prevail but you prevailed because of your mumbo jumbo. It has to be an authentic writing, from a court, that is a final result. Not overturned later, not a tentative ruling, a for reals final result in your favor because you have successfully "escaped the matrix" or whatever cornball phrase you want to use!

If you can do that, then you will be the victor.

And one more thing - I am the Judge of this competition. I make the rules and the rulings. And I can hold you in contempt of thread.

Competitors have one day to make their submissions from the date of thread creation. Submissions can be in .pdf form linked from this forum. All submissions must be certified and from a real Court of a State or Federal US jurisdiction. All submissions must be verifiable - i.e., one can go to Court and get a copy that is identical, if need be. All costs for obtaining copies and verification are the responsibility of the contestant, and in no way the responsibility of the boneless chicken rancher and certainly not of his chickens. These rules are to prevent fraud on the chicken rancher. Go ye.

Go now and Show us how it's done!

ANNOUNCEMENT: CONTEST CLOSED DUE TO HIGH LEVEL OF LUNACY AND LACK OF DIRECT RESPONSE

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What makes you think you know

the law?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

comparatively speaking

first of all, I've studied it. Studying law is very intense in the US. It is more intense than med school, far more intense than an MBA program or a paralegal program, and about 10000 times more intense than goofing off watching an occasional youtube video.

No one knows all of the law but you learn the history, the different areas, and most importantly, how to think like a lawyer and how to research. Sov citizens have none of this, especially the last two, and are forever hilarious to those of us who have not only studied it but worked more than full time on it for decades, like I have.

You're like fat guys who occasionally shoot hoops after your barbecues showing up to challenge the Lakers. Only you think that you will win. But it ain't gonna happen.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You've also said you are a lawyer

Now prove it, just like you demand others below to prove themselves to you, prove you are a lawyer, not just some guy who took a few classes and thinks he knows it all!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

You Know :

chicken's bone to pick strikes me as coming from someone who “bought” some hyped up package or other, and thinking it was a “silver” bullet, went off half cocked and got cold cocked applying what chicken was cock sure it knew.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

This could be of interest:

"What?! "Sovereign Man" walks out of court, scares off the judge?!?!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55pjFKalOVc

"Sovereign, freeman arrest a treasonous judge and seize court"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsgXWPRbKQE

It certainly sparks my curiosity to have a better look at this topic.

There must be something to it because it seems to work in some cases.

www.youtube.com/truefictions

I try to change people every day. Do You?

proof

Need to see the result in court. Proof. In writing. denied.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Proof chicken head is a FOS legal hack

The last nail in your coffin of disinformation:
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

Any further disinformation from you chicken head will be regarded as an intentional subversion to our Constitution.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

LAME

You really don't even begin to get it, do you? Sigh

Okay, junior, here goes. Lawyers write law review articles. Law review articles aren't "law" but merely discussions, research projects if you will. Now, frankly, I AGREE that the founding fathers didn't contemplate police, much less militarized police like we have now. Got that? Great. So, we can all agree, that in theory that was the founder's intent.

However, as far as the way the system operates today, that is a different matter. The police are what they are. You don't dispute that there are police and that they do the things discussed in that article, right? Okay, good. Well, unfortunately, our Supreme Courts (State and Federal) have no problem whatsoever with that.

So, if you go to a lawyer, and ask, "Mr. Lawyer, in the real world, can a police man do "x?" the response will be based upon the current state of the caselaw. It won't be based on what you or I dream is appropriate while contemplating our navels. Unfortunately, in the system we have, that is the way it works.

Now where I split from the Sov Citizen types is that they confuse the idealized view of the way the world should be - in their opinion of course - with the way it is.

A sovereign citizen would want to go into court and say "I read a law review article that says police departments are illegal and therefore I win. Oh by the way, here is a copy of the magna carta, a UCC filing and some discarded bus passes which prove I am right." (I am partially kidding here).

A lawyer would just tell you that you're on the wrong track since he knows that it is useless to fight the issue of whether police departments are constitutional. Without even looking it up, one can know where that is going. Instead he is going to focus on the merits of the case. Often this drives sovs nuts and I think the reason it does is that they are often guilty/liable/otherwise on the losing end of an issue, and therefore want to focus on anything BUT the factual merits of what they did or didn't do.

So, in effect, they become lawyers, not real lawyers dealing with real laws, but bizarro lawyers just throwing crazy crap on the wall and hoping it sticks. The courthouse walls are always slippery for their excrement and they always lose when doing this. It doesn't fool anyone while it is going on, either. Except maybe them - sometimes they seem to believe what they are doing is correct. Heck, Manson's followers thought he was God and that doing what he said to do was right. But that doesn't make it so. You may vehemently object to the law of gravity, but it will still apply to you.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

One other thing here

I am not asking anyone if someone can commit crime against me. I know what crime is and I don't need to ask anyone if anyone can commit crime against me because it is a breach and gives me a valid cause of action to seek remedy and justice.

The corrupt criminal men claiming to be "courts" wish to commit more crime by obstructing justice when remedy is sought.

I only state the exact facts of what happened and then proceed to demonstrate all required elements in my valid cause of action. The courts wish to ignore these facts and then seek to hide facts about their own capacity and the capacities of the supposed plaintiff and defendant when challenged.

Once one realizes the harm of their actions are in fact exact definitions of crimes even in strictly constructed code and they admit to these facts on the record the criminals realize that they are screwed. As I told you before they are now completely retarded in their drunken state of corruption. Their minds have been corrupted and are not operating properly because they have believe they have access to a criminally derived pecuniary advantage via code regulating the "person". Their criminal conflicts can easily be demonstrated when they admit to exactly worded code defined felonies on the record.

I keep telling you I am talking about REAL LAW not something worded on a page somewhere. I am talking about how the actual neural and biochemical motor generating functions working in perceptronic logic of neural nets. I am an automation specialist by trade who deals with all forms of real world sensing signal processing and advanced control algorithm development. My automation programming and signal processing skills has given me extreme insight into how the human mind works and my clear scientific understanding of natural law clearly demonstrates that all laws must be congruent and non conflicting otherwise it is not law. The same applies to American form of organic laws because it was founded in the logical congruency where no law can break another law. The reason the congruency must be maintained is not because of someone's opinion it is because conflicting law is not law and will corrupt the mind if not identified and rejected. This is why the courts need to be impartial so that they can enable the facts of every case to be heard with answered allowed to be compelled from disputing parties. The corrupted men of "courts" now are just like you, ego maniacs who are so sure they have heard it all and they know better than anyone else. This is insane ego drivel that should be rejected outright because truth cannot be found and maintained if one side is always right and everyone else is frivolous.

Knowing the mind is corrupted in these criminals means that all one needs to do is state exactly what has happened in the situation without the state is god drivel covering everything up. Impartial courts operating properly would only make sure that there is a forum with no conflicts in the congruency of the logic of ALL law in order to properly determine facts and law. The "courts" won't do this right now because they are completely jammed up with their mass extortion racket and they don't have the time to pursue justice. This lack of time is because they are committing crime in mass against the people and their minds are in a state of corrupted operation with the logical weight of time and currency becoming heavier than the logical weight of proper justice. They don't have time because the have mens rea to unlawfully control and steal from another instead of being an impartial body to bring remedy and justice upon the accusations of one against another. How many cases would there be if all cases were only based on an accuser accepting liability for their own accusations against the accused and the court was only there to make sure the Jury could hear all the facts in a lawfully congruent and fair way? I bet that "criminal" case loads would drop off by 99% or more if one simple root foundation of our law was actually followed:

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Just powers = powers of justice

This is because an accuser is liable for their accusations against another. Attorneys, corrections officers, jail construction firms, jail facilities contractors don't like this because it means a 99% loss of cases and means a 99% of all possible revenues evaporate if the law is actually followed. This is another demonstration of the corrupting affect failure to maintain clarity of logically congruent law has on the entire legal and criminal justice profession. We gotta have those jobs of tyranny out there otherwise what would the criminals do? It is all very simple in the end. Conflicting logic has a natural reaction within the motor function processing of the brain and we must target and expose those conflicts in order to expose and eliminate corruption from our system so that we can return peace in our lives. There will be no peace until these criminals are brought to justice.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

"real law" i.e. natural law

is great. Wonderful stuff, and we should have more of it. But you illustrate that you are pulling our legs when you claim to win and then post this stuff.

The law that is on the books that courts follow is based on a whole lot of things, not just natural law.

I am not talking about "what should be" or whether natural law is better than laws influenced by coalitions, public opinion, political action groups, and the like. Natural law is certainly a higher principal and I'm not saying otherwise.

But the people who say they are basing their sovereign citizen stuff on teh constitution are wrong. And even if they were right, it just doesn't work in court. It isn;t the law. The whole straw man thing is a hoax and the UCC doesn't do any of the things these people think it does. The UCC, by the way, is the furthest thing one can get from natural law or common law, and the fact that these guys purport to employ it with that in mind is hilarious to anyone with a legal education.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

But I do win and I am not pulling any legs

I and many others have already told you the "sovereign Citizen" doesn't make any sense. Sovereign = supreme authority Citizen = Capacity subject to authority. The very fact that these are the terms put together and the ADL/SPLC DHS and law enforcement do all their "training" around this key word is because the ADL/SPLC are banker funded full time usurpers who brainwash our police to be violent psychopaths in the name of not committing atrocities.

The "Sovereign Citizen" is a strategic infoweapon designed to confuse cops into implementing further "control" over the People. The ADL is actively going around doing all of their secret invite only meetings on "domestic terrorists" groups because they are being paid by criminals who need strife amongst our communities so they can conquer us while we are fighting each other instead of actually looking at what is really going on. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why don't you begin building dossiers on the ADL/SPLC "training" activities and see the pattern? It is clear what they are doing and "sovereign citizen" rises to the level of "domestic terrorism" for them because they have intentionally intertwined nuggets of true concepts at the heart of our form of law with complex fraud schemes the unwitting will be confused into believing. Their police "training" is an ongoing psyop to make cops think that it is abnormal for someone to question their authority.

Again all one has to do is find congruency of logic in law then they are protected from the intertwined mumbo jumbo as you call it. The reason you seem confused here is because you mention sovereign citizen on DP and people like me come here not in defense of the mumbo jumbo but to defend our law and our inherent sovereignty from those who are intentionally confusing the populace with "sovereign citizen" equating to "domestic terrorists". Notice how the ADL/SPLC drivel uses a unique key identifying phrase, this is intentional to bind neural nets of experience of "anti-terrorism training" with "sovereign citizen" They know they are programming the minds of the cops for their own advantage and they know they are doing it to usurp our laws. It is cold calculated global tyranny funding this drivel.

As far as the courts I told you that even the codes and statutes do not claim applicability to the people. Once you realize this fact and why that is so in real law then you will easily be able to identify all of the crimes the corrupt men claiming to be "courts" are actively committing against everyone.

Real law is not just natural law. I told you before real law is an inherent hierarchy of law:
Divine law
Natural Law
Common Law
Organic Law
Constitutional Law
Statutory Law
Regulatory Law-Not a good name for this here in terms of legalese but it is inherently intra-organizational codified rules

Each level of law has specific applicability but all must be congruent in both form and logic. If they are ever not congruent then it will be easy to identify incongruences for those who are paying attention to this inherent congruency and hierarchy. Because they are hierarchical Divine law always has applicability and forms order of natural law which then naturally constructs into the interactions of man as Common law precedent in resolving breaches of Peace and breaches of Duty which then forms organically constructed law of jurisdictions which then takes form as Contractual agreements of Constitution law for government capacity which then forms Statutory regulations for its created capacities with individual entities forming intra organizational regulations congruent within the laws. Each level of these has isolated and specific application to related entities that voluntarily enter into the capacities through a valid contract of course with the exception of Divine and Natural law which are totally sovereign and unbreakable in its application.

Understanding this self-evident enables me to understand when and where what laws apply and why. They aren't going to teach you that in law school but it is inherently true and can be utilized to protect ourselves and the law itself. I use it all the time and it works and I never read this anywhere. This is divine inspiration combined with thorough study and analysis of history and law. When one knows this it becomes obvious why code is not and does not even claim to be applicable to the people.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Proof

or it didn't happen

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Identify yourself

and I perform a background check on you or you get nothing. I am willing to share the proof with honorable people but are you honorable and willing to reveal yourself?

If you are honorable and have good intent then you will have no problem making the trade and if you are a true liberty lover you will understand why I am doing this. You will inherently find out who I am in the process so what's the problem? Are you honorable or a criminal troll seeking to anonymously find and purge the records??

Check mate chicken head!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

you've gotta love the truth

It doesn't matter if I am a lawyer, garbage man, sailor, or senator. If what I am saying is true, it's true. So post up proof. Pretend that I am not a lawyer if it helps you. We both know that I am, I've already educated you far too much to not be one. And no, I'm not going to forego the anonymity that I get here so I can be exposed to real life trolling - sorry, not that stupid. But post your victories, or someone else's, that is all I ask. It's a perfectly legitimate question.

Either you're a con selling these redemption schemes, someone thoroughly brainwashed into believing them, or just an unbelieveable oaf if you believe that all of these people are "proving" they are "sovereign" separate and apart from being a US citizen/ state citizen and that it gets them out of their legal troubles. It's really too good to be true.

BTW, I just learned of another sovereign loss today. Tsk-tsk. Poor guy was arguing all of the "codes don't apply to me" nonsense, the whole nine yards...cited a lot of turn of the century (18th, nonetheless) caselaw, even stuff from Merry Old England to support his position. He lost. Oh well. I'm batting 1000 so far. Show me that you are the exception.

QUITE FRANKLY - I'D LOVE TO BE WRONG. If this shit works, I am going full retard and doing the whole shebang on student loans. ROFL. But I know that ain't gonna happen, so it is what it is...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

smart move

that chicken had a foul odor from the first comment forward
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Interesting Perspective * :

* * from your professional frame of reference.

>The same applies to American form of organic laws because it was founded in the logical congruency where no law can break another law. The reason the congruency must be maintained is not because of someone's opinion it is because conflicting law is not law and will corrupt the mind if not identified and rejected.<

That IS the crux of the matter.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

When I go to court

I go to collect solid evidence and even admission on the record of the crimes they are committing and to build detailed dossiers of who has mens rea and who does not.

It is clear who has mens rea because they will violate their own rules of the court, codes and obstruct justice by using threats, fear and intimidation to control what gets on the record. I am preparing the cases to arrest the a$$hole criminal tyrants one by one.

I also inform them right to their face what I am doing and let them know I am aware of the systemic criminal activity and that I will be seeking thorough justice for their crimes against me.

All the BS that they will spill out their faces that is similar to yours will not matter when the Juries throw their a$$es in prison.

And yes I have over 5 victories myself with a library of court recording and case files. And yes they make the officer leave just so that they have another reason but I even challenge their dismissals just to get more evidence of their criminal activity.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

ok then

post up proof superman! Anything else is just frankly bogus!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

i am fully aware of what you are doing

You wish to find out about the successful cases through anonymous back channel means so that little hillarys can go purge the law records before too many people wake up to notice its gone. I have the information and quite a great little library started but I am not going to hand you the intel so you can have your criminal buddies go purge the records. You want the records then reveal who you are to me and I will consider such a trade after I perform a thorough background check on you. As in your words; deal with it!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

you don't have dick

and you know it.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

see that?

there is no one here stupid or ignorant enough to play your little games
when you get bored of this,you could go back to talking,arguing and answering yourself :)
i do find that most entertaining
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

ask a real question

the answer will be different depending upon the jurisdiction. As asked, it is unintelligible.

You can find the answer to what is a state in any dictionary.

Same with person.

If you must, use Black's Law Dictionary.

Knock yourself out.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Ok, let's look at Black's Law Dictionary:

"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, and statutes employing the word are ordinarily construed to exclude it." Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 US 653, 667 (1979);

Person. A man considered according to the rank he holds in society. Blacks Law Dictionary, 4th Edition (1968);

Consider. To fix the mind on, with a view to careful examination; to examine; to inspect. To deliberate about and ponder over. To entertain or give heed to. See also Considered. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Consider” (p. 306)(1990);

Considered. Deemed; determined; adjudged; reasonably regarded. For example, evidence may be said to have been "considered" when it has been reviewed by a court to determine whether any probative force should be given it. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Considered” (p. 307)(1990);

Let's sum this up:

Person = Man + Arbitrary Rank/Title/Condition/Status (aka capacity)

Akin to:

Electron = Atom/Adam + Negative Charge/Capacity
Proton = Atom/Adam + Positive Charge/Capacity

Standing. One's place in the community in the estimation of others; his relative position in social, commercial, or moral relations; his repute, grade, or rank. See Reputation; Standing to sue doctrine; Status. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Standing” (p. 1405)(1990); (aka status or caput in Roman law)

Now, moving onto one's name:

Name. The designation of an individual person, or of a firm or corporation ... A person's "name" consists of one or more Christian or given names and one surname or family name. It is the distinctive characterization in words by which one is known and distinguished from others, - and description, or abbreviation, is not the equivalent of a "name." Custom gives one" his father's family name, and such prxnomina as his parents choose to put before it, but this is only general rule, from which individual may, depart, if he choose ... Distinctive Name. As used ,in regulation of United States Department of Agriculture, a trade, arbitrary, or fancy name which.clearly distinguishes a food product, mixture, or compound from any other food product, mixture, or compound. Blacks Law Dictionary, 4th Edition “Name” (p. 1174)(1968);

Name. The designation of an individual person, or of a firm or corporation. Word or combination of words used to distinguish person or thing or class from others … A person's "name" consists of one or more Christian or given names and one surname or family name. It is the distinctive characterization in words by which one is known and distinguished from others, and description, or abbreviation, is not the equivalent of a "name."

See also Alias; Christian name; Corporate name; Fictitious name; Full name; Generic (Generic name); Legal name; Nickname; Street name; Surname; Tradename

Corporate name. Most states require corporations doing business under an assumed or fictitious name to register, record, or register and record, the name with state, county, or state and county officials.

Distinctive name. As used in regulation of United States Department of Agriculture, a trade, arbitrary, or fancy name which clearly distinguishes a food product, mixture, or compound from any other food product, mixture, or compound.

Generic name. The general or nontrademark name of a product. For example, the trade names of a particular type of fiber may be Antron, Cantrece, Qiana; but the generic name of that fiber is nylon. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Name” (p. 1023)(1990);

Designation. An addition to a name, as of title, profession, trade, or occupation, to distinguish the person from others. A description or descriptive expression by which a person or thing is denoted in a will without using the name. Also, an appointment or assignment, as to a particular office. The act of pointing out, distinguishing by marks of description, or calling by a distinctive title. See also Identification. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Designation” (p. 447)(1990);

Alias. Term used to indicate another name by which a person is known. Short for "alias dictus"; otherwise known as (a. k. a.). When used in connection with a description of a person, it indicates that he has used or been known by another name ... See also Fictitious name; Name.”

Alias dictus. "Otherwise called." (Shorter and more usual form, alias). Known by both those names, and is called one or the other ... A fictitious name assumed by a person is colloquially termed an "alias" ... See also Alias.” Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Alias” (p. 71)(1990);

Christian name. The baptismal name as distinct from the surname. The name which is given one after his birth or at baptism, or is afterward assumed by him in addition to his family name. Such name may consist of a single letter. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Christian name” (p. 241)(1990);

Corporate name. When a corporation is formed, state statutes require that such be given a name and such name is kept on record with the proper state authority (e.g. Secretary of State's office). Only by and under such name may the corporation sue or be sued and do all legal acts. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Corporate name” (p. 339)(1990);

Fictitious name. A counterfeit, alias, feigned, or pretended name taken by a person, differing in some essential particular from his true name (consisting of Christian name and patronymic), with the implication that it is meant to deceive or mislead. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Fictitious name” (p. 624)(1990);

“PATRONYMICK, (pat-tro-nim-mik) n.s. Name expressing the name of the father or ancestor ; as, Tydides, the son of Tydeus” John and Walkers Dictionary of the English Language, by Samuel Jonson, L.L. D. and John Walker, 2nd Edition (1828);

Full name. The first, middle and surname of a person, or the first name, middle initial and surname. May also refer to name under which a person is known in the community.” Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Full name” (p. 672)(1990);

Generic. Relating to or characteristic of a whole group or class; general, as opposed to specific or special. Generic mark or term. Within the purview of trademark law, this term means a lack of distinctiveness necessary for name or mark to be given federal trademark law protection … Generic marks are marks which include words which embrace entire class of products or services, not all of which necessarily emanate from same source … A "generic term" is one which is commonly used as name or description of a kind of goods and it is generally accepted that a generic term is incapable of achieving trade name protection … Generic name. The "established name" of a drug; its chemical name, a common name, or an official name used in an official compendium. See also Name.” Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Generic” (p. 686)(1990);

Legal name. Under common law consists of one Christian name and one surname, and the insertion, omission, or mistake in middle name or initial is immaterial. The "legal name" of an individual consists of a given or baptismal name, usually assumed at birth, and a surname deriving from the common name of the parents. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Legal name” (p. 896)(1990);

Surname. The family name; the name over and above the Christian name. The part of a name which is not given in baptism. The name of a person which is derived from the common name of his parents … The last name; the name common to all members of a family. Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition “Surname” (p. 1443)(1990);

Therefore:

1. “First Middle” is an example of a “Christian name” but not the name of a “person”.
2. “Last” is an example of a surname but not the name of a “person”.
3. “First Middle, son of First Middle” is an example of a “true name” but not the name of a “person”.
4. “First Middle Last” is an example of a full name and meets the criteria of what constitutes the name of a “person” but there is no addition [e.g. designation].

In order to understand the designation or addition (refer to first sentence in definition of name above and definition of designation above) one can refer to government style manuals for English rules of spelling and grammar:

3.2 Proper names are capitalized. [Examples given are] Rome, Brussels, John Macadam, Macadam family, Italy, Anglo-Saxon."

17.9. In the titles of cases the first letter of all principal words are capitalized, but not such terms as defendant and appellee."

U.S. Government Style Manual, by the United States Government Printing Office (1984 Edition);

3.1. It is impossible to give rules that will cover every conceivable problem in capitalization; but by considering the purpose to be served and the underlying principles, it is possible to attain a considerable degree of uniformity. The list of approved forms given in chapter 4 will serve as a guide. Obviously such a list cannot be complete. The correct usage with respect to any term not included can be determined by analogy or by application of the rules.

3.2. Proper names are capitalized.
Rome Brussels John Macadam
Macadam family Italy Anglo-Saxon

3.53. In matter set in caps and small caps, such abbreviations as etc., et al., and p.m. are set in small caps; in matter set in caps and lowercase, these abbreviations are set in lowercase.

PLANES, GUNS, SHIPS, ETC. IN RE THE 8 P.M. MEETING
Planes, Guns, Ships, etc. In re the 8 p.m. Meeting
JAMES BROS. ET AL. (no comma)
James Bros. et al.

9.8. Except as otherwise designated, points and spaces are omitted after initials used as shortened names of governmental agencies and of other organized bodies. ‘‘Other organized bodies’’ shall be interpreted to mean organized bodies that have become popularly identified with a symbol, such as MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), GM (General Motors), GMAC (General Motors Acceptance Corp.), etc. (See ‘‘List of Abbreviations.’’) Symbols, when they appear in copy, may be used for acts of Congress. Example: ARA (Area Redevelopment Act).

VFW NLRB TVA
AFL–CIO ARC ASTM

U.S. Government Style Manual, by the United States Government Printing Office (2000 Edition);

Bluebook Rule 8 Capitalization

In headings and titles, capitalize the initial word and all other words except articles, conjuctions, and propositions of four letters or less. In citing names or titles, follow the capitalization of the cited source exactly. A full table capitalizations can be found in the Government Printing Office Style Manual.

A Uniform System of Citation, 12th Edition;

Chapter 4 –Capitalization

Acronyms are always formed with capital letters.

Acronyms are often coined for a particular program or study and therefore require definition.

The letters of the acronym are not capitalized in the definition unless the acronym stands for a proper name:

NASA publication SP-7084, Grammar, Punctuation, and Capitalization,
A Handbook for Technical Writers and Editors, by the NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia;

Therefore:

1. The correct usage with respect to any term not included can be determined by analogy or by application of the rules which means the only way to figure out what something unusual like an all capital letter name when proper names should only be capitalized which appears in no example can be discerned is to apply the rules.

2. Follow the source document for spelling which means if a United States Certificate of Birth is the source document to obtain any identification one should expect the name to appear identically on a driver license or court document.

3. Proper names are to be capitalized and acronyms are always spelled using all capital letters. The letters in the acronym are not capitalized unless the acronym stands for a proper name. Akin to the reason corporate names appear in all capital letters on a Certificate of Incorporation received by a Secretary of State.

4. Except as otherwise designated, points and spaces are omitted after initials used as shortened names of governmental agencies since other organized bodies is precisely defined and doesn't apply.

Therefore:

The shortened designation “FIRST M LAST” or "First M LAST" appearing as “FIRST MIDDLE LAST” or "First Middle LAST" is a full corporate, legal name of a government agency established by the use, employment, and hiring of all capital letters or styling, with a public office held by a person or individual, which performs a function of government.

all of which

fails to prove your point whatsoever, but it sure is lengthy, wordy, and hard to read. Atom / Adam is complete ridiculousness. That is like saying my Assos computer is multiple buttocks. Go to school.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You are getting owned chicken head

His American Majesty has proven himself time and time again to be a real man liable for his own knowledge of law.

Chicken head you are proving to be a legal hack who drank the kool-aid and work to enslave yourself and everyone else to millions of pages of code that do not even claim applicability to the People. It is truly amazing how bad you have failed to grasp the foundations of our law and what is repugnant to our form of law.

Keep digging your hole chicken head. It is fun to see you get lost in all that procedure. LOL

Props to His American Majesty!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

you'd believe anythign

You're the guy who said he got stoned and calculated the universe or some other silly jive. You guys don't lack confidence or self assuredness, that's for sure. Sovs are always sure they will defeat the enemy (which usually means getting out of a ticket they deserve, not paying their mortgage, not being found guilty, etc.) until they get to court. Then their ass gets handed to them!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Your view is so innacurate ...

As a Free and Independent Man I am 100% confident of one thing. I am 100% Free and Independent. I am 100% convinced of the fact that nature supports the conclusion I am 100% Free and Independent which leads me to believe this statement is morally superior.

With regards to so called courts I am not so naive to believe no one else is 100% Free and independent. As a matter of fact I believe everyone is 100% Free and Independent which means anyone can be a criminal if they so choose. Do I expect to win in court? Hell no! Why? Because if there is one thing that is crystal clear it is that courts merely exist to preserve and protect revenue using unjust presumptions. This however is not the reason I would not expect to "win." The reason I do not expect to win is because I possess a minority of force. They have more guns and I would be prohibited from even entering a court room armed to be able to defend myself. I do not expect to "win" anything unarmed when the opposition is armed.

Why go at all? Some people believe the only way to effect change without resorting to violence is reason. All one can really do in any controversy is testify to what they perceive to be the truth. If your opponent is unwilling to also provide a full and honest disclosure in order to engage in honest dialogue so that reason may prevail all one can do is point it out.

Make no mistake. If I choose to go to a so called court and employ reason knowing the odds are I will lose and a court cabal trespasses against me because they can .... I can assure you they continue to exist by my Grace and Mercy alone because I allow them to continue living.

If there is no honest discourse and no rebuttal of any facts based on first hand knowledge of something seen or heard by a competent witness testifying under oath or affirmation, I already know in my heart what is right and I am merely there to point it out and I could give a shit less what "they" do ... and yes ... I have been kidnapped and looted from before.

May God have mercy upon me should I ever get completely fed up with the utter and complete BS of those who have trespassed against me and the event I no longer decide to forgive them or extend upon them my Grace or Mercy.

way to miss the issue

all of the belief in the world won't help you in court if your beliefs happen to not coincide with the law.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

That is because we will defeat the criminals

We are only at the very beginning of the exponential growth curve in awareness of one's own sovereignty. We are going through a similar process of revolution in thought that the founders went through. I can see that soon that Exponential growth curve will become blatantly obvious. Hell, compared to 2005 when I first witnessed multiple victories in court on these facts we are already in a whole different level of awareness on this. This growth will continue to a point where we will see vast organizational tools grow up around this that will include case recorders, scripted criminal investigations, intelligence dossier building and database storing, very well regulated militias, digitally defined capacities with common law contracting that severs applicability of State jurisdiction, statistical use recording where infrastructure is algorithmically optimizing infrastructure costs and even novel forms of currency (and much much more) ALL utilized for bringing the current criminals claiming to be "Government" to proper and thorough justice. All of this will be done totally asymmetrically and leaderless and they will just be scratching their head wondering why people are working to throw them in prison.

We are only at the very beginning and the current "cases" can be seen more as an intelligence gathering activities to find criminals falsely claiming to be agents of government. If you want to hang out with the dinosaurs and say that's way it is and there is nothing we can do to change the current criminal paradigm then you go ahead and join them at this very beginning of the extinction of their crimes. It will be good riddance to see your credibility fade away with their unsustainable tyranny.

They are those who read history and those who make history. It is clear where you're at.

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I wish I could believe the gist of this

but I can't. I see the surveillance state, digital and electronic monitoring, drone warfare, drone spying, the patriot act, etc and think that society will become more and more screwed up by more and more government and oversight. What you're saying would be nice, but for all of history, mankind has outnumbered the powers that be and the march of technology has only made that worse. in medievel times, the rich needed a castle to protect them, they no longer do. The average guy can never possess the kind of weaponry the powers do. Faith in God has great power still.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein