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The Great Sovereign Challenge

To all who claim they legally travel with no license, discharge debts with "straw man" or "accepted for value" because they are sovereigns, here's your chance.

You get to publically show what a studmuffin (or muffinette) you happen to be. If you win, I will publicly agree that the straw man exists and that you are now a sovereign, plus I will do your laundry and wash your car for a year.

But: you have to have proof. A traffic ticket dismissed because the judge was too busy, or the cop didn't show, won't suffice. So you have to show that you did some sovereign mumbo jumbo, and that a court somewhere ruled, in writing, that not only did you prevail but you prevailed because of your mumbo jumbo. It has to be an authentic writing, from a court, that is a final result. Not overturned later, not a tentative ruling, a for reals final result in your favor because you have successfully "escaped the matrix" or whatever cornball phrase you want to use!

If you can do that, then you will be the victor.

And one more thing - I am the Judge of this competition. I make the rules and the rulings. And I can hold you in contempt of thread.

Competitors have one day to make their submissions from the date of thread creation. Submissions can be in .pdf form linked from this forum. All submissions must be certified and from a real Court of a State or Federal US jurisdiction. All submissions must be verifiable - i.e., one can go to Court and get a copy that is identical, if need be. All costs for obtaining copies and verification are the responsibility of the contestant, and in no way the responsibility of the boneless chicken rancher and certainly not of his chickens. These rules are to prevent fraud on the chicken rancher. Go ye.

Go now and Show us how it's done!

ANNOUNCEMENT: CONTEST CLOSED DUE TO HIGH LEVEL OF LUNACY AND LACK OF DIRECT RESPONSE

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In civil courts

The kangaroo wears a black robe and an injured party never appeared.

Is it thus for this court as well, is the judge a KangaChicken ? Which much by reason of insanity be reckoned with the Jackalope ?

Chances of you receiving such evidence is slim to none, and slim left town with his soveignty intact. Why, because only a dolt would send you personal biographical data unredacted , and you'd never accept it in such a manner.
Therefore I declare your premise for this entire charade as being, macabre, artificial, and spineless in that the physical odds of it being met are somewhat greater than the odds that sea monkeys do exist.

Now do you do-doo and render a parody of a travesty of a pretense of a blasphemy of a fudgement against me, please kind KangaChicken.

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

not sure

there are plenty out there already using their names claiming to do this stuff. And Sea Monkeys do exist, I had some when I was a kid! ;)

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Odor in the short ! I will have Odor !

Smell yee, smell yee, the right horrible KangChicken is now intercession.

Your dishonor, the ebidence you proclaim I saith is false, for you claim all they claim to be a lie, and then you portend to pretend the liars use a real name under by which they are lying.

You can not have your eat and cake it too!

By yer own assertions your ebidence is classified " top secret, Kotex" and is voted most unpopular with the gallery, as it is based within dirty, rotten thighs, er I meant lies.

The decision of a high-errrrr court is necessary to clarify this boondoggle, and we reefer this matter to such court whereverith it might be found ( after this commercial break form our sponsor ) .

Yer days are numbered KangaChicken you put forth unequal scales !

Odor in the short.

:)-

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

I hereby hold you in contempt of thread

and fine you several make-believe dollars, or alternatively remand y ou to the custody of a walmart with televisions showing re runs of the donny and marie show for 10.5 minutes, exactly, so as not to be indeterminate

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Whew

And I thought I'd have to watch Cauchy, gag......
I mean , er the punishment............... Tv timeout..........
Enfourced by the all seeing buzzard of Jon, erstwhile blogger, goodfella, and moderator to the stars......not to mention one fine freckled programmer. Who understand humor alike no udder.

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

There is a problem with your challenge

You are relying on an admission by the court that the powers of Justice are derived from the consent of the governed which would remove their power through upholding the law. Relying on criminals to admit their criminal activities and remove their unlawful authority is unreasonable. The courts make the "officers" leave the courtroom so that they have another reason to dismiss the case and not allow the facts to stand and precedent. The Judges, DAs and even the defense attorneys have a pecuniary advantage (corruption) to maintain by confusing people into consenting to inapplicable laws.

I have many many wins and only 1 "loss" still pending upon redress of writ of error. I have even seen felony charges dismissed because the court was backed into a corner and could not find the logical way out of their crimes.

The Straw man is bs but the legal personhood is what the courts are claiming as code applicable and it is demonstrated clearly right in the codes.

You fail every time at having a meaningful discussion on the sovereignty of Man and applicability of law. My guess is that you are troll seeking to convey strategic intel to the criminals claiming to be "Courts".

What you clearly do not understand about real law is that natural law is congruently applicable in all circumstances. If the people reawaken to their sovereignty and that the powers of justice are derived from consent of the governed (not the government) through an accusation when facing the accused then Natural Common Law will dictate through the natural law of time that the accuser must be a man or woman accepting liability for their accusation for the purpose of maintaining an impartial courts and eliminating the possibility of pecuniary advantage from being accessible by corrupt men and women i.e. if the people awaken to their sovereignty and defend it in every act of corruption by the State then the time of the courts will run out and the courts will yield to the common law for the sake of maintaining the will of the People. This is self-evident when one examines the implications of the people realizing the rock solid foundation of Powers of Justice derived from the consent of the governed.

The fact that the courts do not address the issue in detail is because they have a pecuniary advantage to keep their racket going indefinitely. If you can't understand this then you are lost.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

You have failed

Your submission is hereby DENIED on the following grounds:

it is too vague to state a plausible case.

There is no supporting evidence

It is based entirely on inadmissible hearsay. The proponent of the hearsay is one who claims to have won a prior case when he actually went to jail. Due to his history of frivolous responses to the chicken rancher, he is deemed a vexatious litigant and his other posts will be ignored, or perhaps lampooned, without further ruling. He may not make further suggestions without prior written consent of the Judge.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I have been to jail twice

but I won both of those cases. The thing is you seem to forget that corrupt men acting under color of law do not uphold real law where presumption of innocence until guilt ruled upon by a Jury. you also conveniently forget "officers" are breaching the peace and breaking the law of agency by not acting on behalf of the Accuser who is accepting liability. They threw me in Jail first and then dismissed the case once it made it to "court" by making the officer leave the Courtroom when he was already there. So, the case never made it through arraignment because the DA dropped the charges after telling the "officer" to leave the courtroom. Slimebaggery under color of law.

So actually you and your corrupt profession have failed to understand what real law is and how law actually works. Having tyrants kidnap you and take to you a cage for a night before being addressed by a court is not lawful and does not represent a loss it only represents crime being committed by corrupt tyrants who should be in prison.

In your blatant and obvious confusion and history of trolliness here at DP I hereby grant you the noble title of king troll of DP. Your anointed status is not worthy of my presence.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

SO TELL US

What did you go to jail for? What was the crime you committed?

I am always amazed by the tendency of the supposed sov cit "justice seekers" to not ever acknowledge that they just want it their way. That's it. They just want something for nothing. They want to commit a crime and not be caught/convicted/punished. They want to borrow money and not pay it back. They want to breach a contract and not be held civilly liable.

Yet, when they lose, they don't say "yeah, I shouldn't have committed that crime/failed to pay debts/breached a deal" but instead they start making vague and universal averments of "fraud" against everyone from the bailiff to the court clerk to the guy that holds the door open. And, of course, the judge and the jury and the lawyers. Can't forget to blame them!

I want to hear more about your cases and the "fraud" and "criminality" of everyone but you (the convict who went to jail). It will just reinforce my strongly development belief that this movement has just flat been co-opted by conspiracy nuts/delusional shutins/ and the like. Then if you're convincing enough- I might just go away! Win-win for everybody. Tell us more!!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

"resisting an officer without violence"

and "disorderly conduct" where the colorable claimed "charges". And as I said the cases were dismissed because in one they made the officer leave and the other the prosecutor sent me a letter saying the case was not prosecutable. So I am not a "convict" and will never lawfully be because I live within the protections of divine law. I do not harm and I always do what I say I am going to do in exchange for divine inspiration of the protection of law.

I have won on everything else, seat belt, no drivers license, speeding etc. and I have witnessed multiple cases of others for possession of cannabis, Felony DUI, outstanding parking and more ALL victories of dismissal, Nolle Pros, not prosecutable, and others. My only "loss" is for one pending redress for writ of error for speeding. Do I think I will win here? The answer is yes. Not necessarily that corrupt men rule in my favor but that I will collect detailed intel about who is committing crimes and who is not. What you are not realizing is that we already know what the law is and we are aware of the pecuniary advantage the BAR pursues through its monopoly of the interpretation of law. We know the central core of the BAR are control freaks with mens rea to unlawfully control others and complicate law for their own pecuniary advantage. We already know where code has its applicability and why. We also know when, where and by whom code applicability was introduced under personhood based citizenship along with the invention of Strict liability to satisfy their thirst for unlawful control of another with no identifiable chain of liability. Code does not have applicability to the people, it only has applicability to legal capacities who consented to its regulatory rules in exchange for the legal framework defining the scope and limits of the limited liability capacities. We also know that even with regulatory code defining the limited liability regulatory capacity the powers of justice are still derived from the consent of the governed because otherwise there is no principle the agent of government is acting on behalf of and therefore is outside the government capacity We the People defined in both organic law and applicable code along with the Common law roots of the Law of Agency. If you can't understand this simple fact then you are either corrupt or stupid.

Even in this last "case" I had, the marsupial ruled against me because he claimed that I was not under oath and therefore nothing was admissible but I still owned the "judge" and I guarantee he feels like an idiot to this day for his total failure to understand proper procedural execution of the oath. He failed bad and I am sure he now knows he looks like a total idiot for what he did. I now have a library of court recordings and case files that demonstrate the mens rea being conducted in our "courts" and by "law enforcement". I even have recordings where I have explicitly informed them in open court of their criminal status and my intent to bring them to justice before a jury. I have documented dozens of felonies actively being committed by them and even have openly agreed to recordings of them admitting the exact code definitions of their own crimes. Wouldn't you love to have this library? Sorry, that's reserved for something special.

I know exactly what I am doing as I grew up learning the federal rules of investigation and being exposed to large scale federal criminal investigations. I will not stop until the corrupt Judges, DAs and Court personnel who have harmed me are in prison or given the death penalty by a jury conviction. Their criminality is destroying my peace and everyone's peace I know, the criminal failure to abide by their contractually binding duty of Article 1 Section 10 is just one blatant fraud and breach of duty they commit daily simply by claiming to be under oath. The whole thing is so damn criminal that finding criminals in government is like looking for a grain of sand on the beach. Their criminality is destroying the entire economy, enriching themselves and their criminal gang of crony corporations all while destroying the environment and overall health. The crimes being committed are obvious and you keep diverting the inherent self evident Sovereignty of Man into some stupid banker interest funded disinformation drivel of the ADL/SPLC. Either you are paid to gather intelligence for them or you are a little man syndromed wind bag. If you are paid for intel gathering tell your criminal buddies We the People are coming for them.

When the giant fully awakens with the fury and vengeance of justice for criminals falsely claiming to be government and politics is tossed aside as an irrelevant pursuit into insanity you will see how small and ignorant of the law you really are.

You have no idea how deep this whole issue goes and your paid trolliness will do nothing to stop the long arm of the law of We the People. We are coming to the mass awakening that will crystalize in realizing that justice must be sought in order to ensure the protection of law and when We the People arrive at this realization in critical mass the criminals will be scurrying into the shadows to avoid their judgment day. The criminals are stupid corrupt morons who have no idea how far all of this actually goes and its knowledge and inspiration is inaccessible to them because of their corruption; as it appears to be to you.

The cool thing about all of this is that the only way the criminals claiming to be government can stop it is to stop committing crime and acknowledge that the entire power of accusations rests in the hands of the accuser who is a member of the governed accepting liability for their own accusations against another and lawful government agents only intervene with another on behalf of the liability accepting accuser who stands equal to another. You will see it happen if you are not too old and when it finally comes into focus you will simply be the timid who join the moving herd of giants.

Is that sufficient intel for you?

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Eh, not really

It's hard to decipher with all of your irrelevant blowharding but it appears just based on what you've typed that you are wrong. Those are the kinds of offenses that one gets charged with for not being too smart, being obnoxious and pissing off a cop. But it seems that the da's office, took a look at their case load, the level of offense and lack of a violence and decided not to prosecute.w. so, a lawyer did his or her job properly, amay even have cut you a break, and didn't do any of the things you sjay always happen. People with low level misdemeanors and infractions get cut breaks all the time. You could be rightfully pissed for being arrested and for the law existing you we're arrested under...but it seems you owe the prosecutor a thank you for dismissing. Again, reality.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

The reality is

that they harmed me committing several crimes in the process but when I sought to exercise the protections of law and seek justice and remedy they obstructed justice.

You seem to think that the protections is only available at their discretion. This is your prime failure. Equal Justice under the law means the scales of justice are empty of facts and balanced at the start of an action for the purpose of maintaining an impartial forum for dispute resolution and the only facts weighed are those introduced by each party who claims liability for their own actions. Any other presumptions by a court creates an imbalance on the scales of justice and is outside the scope of real law and therefore represents colorable actions by corrupt and criminal men. This fact is obvious.

It is also obvious that the entire current criminal paradigm is sourced on enabling to commit actions without any liability for their self initiated actions. Again no principle that the agent of the government is acting on behalf of. They make the colorable claim that the STATE or the People is the plaintiff but yet enumerate no identifiable principle accepting liability for the individual action i.e. no accuser to face.

The entire BAR is seeking to implement a profession that enriches them without any liability for their individual actions; this is the source of tyranny. Men acting with the understanding that they have no liability for their own actions. It is a law of nature that a man's mind will be corrupted into a criminally tyrant. This law of nature is self-evident fact and is proven with the current institutionalized criminal state of affairs. Time to wake up chicken head.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

well mr. the entire bar is a conspiracy

if that is so, why weren't the prosecutors then going forward to lock up your big bad self. You know, just to generate more revenue, and to give some billable hours to a defense lawyer? Oh, I guess your narrative doesn't survive rational analysis, bummer that. Hey, I know some good junior colleges that'll still take applicants with minor infractions, if interested.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Because of divine law protections

and as for colleges. No need. I already found out colleges slow me down and make you pay for their complete BS garbage.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

some truth in that

which makes it unique among the gibberish you post.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Did you sue them?

You are absolutely correct about his profession being corrupt. Lawyers don't work for their clients, they belong to this club called the BAR, where they all watch each others back, and mainly do what they want while syphoning money and freedom from the real Americans. If America ever gets to V.2.0, I hope lawyers are never allowed anywhere near public office!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I did not sue them

because it was on the other side of the country. If and when it happens locally I will sue them. I have a much longer term strategy that I am pursuing. I use these opportunities to go through the process of attempting to arrest them criminally. Predictably they obstruct justice and send me through their slave maze of various departments. I have found the advantages to the slave maze as well. Being sent to a plethora of different departments engaging with corrupt and criminal men and women falsely claiming to be operating under the capacity of their contractually binding oath to the Constitution enables one toi gather detailed intelligence and most of the time will gain literal admission to their own criminal activity and this is easy to obtain. I simply identify all the exact code definitions of the crimes they are committing and then construct those criminal definitions into questions that I ask them. Most of the time the criminals will simply admit to the crimes they are committing because they do not know the law and their minds are corrupted. Divine Law in action!

Being sent through the slave maze also gives me the opportunity to gather detailed intelligence and build detailed dossiers on the individual men and women committing the crimes. These people are so stupid that I even tell them what I am doing right to their face and they still admit to the criminal acts which is the result of a corrupted mind. These dossiers will be absolutely necessary for bringing real justice to these very real criminals and will be the prime intel needed if and when the criminal crats commit their open warfare and tyranny upon us. If the liberty movement clearly understood the importance of this intelligence gathering then we could begin to turn the tide by building the necessary admissions to crime along with identified individual criminals then begin performing arrests on each of the identified criminals one by one.

Simply flooding the courts with a clear understanding of their bound servitude and agency to We the People along with criminal accusations across the board for the identified criminals and challenging jurisdiction on every act they perform without an identifiable accuser who is a member of the governed will cause the color of law "courts" to butt up against the unbreakable law of TIME. Real law is congruent within all laws including the laws of nature which includes time. If they continue to violate the Natural Common Law and the population knows clearly that the accuser must accept liability and be a member of the governed and explicitly not the government then the Natural Law of time will be the unbreakable barrier they hit. There are 8 working hours per day. How much of the population do you think it takes to consume that time with a clear understanding of their criminal activities and the real law. What do you think is going to happen when they begin to run out of time and We the People have massive intelligence databases built and shared that details every crime the individuals are doing and every single aspect about their whereabouts?

When the Government fears the people there is liberty when the people fear the government there is tyranny.

How are they going to fear us? When we know what applicable law and what the scope and bounds of their duties are and when they see the Giant has risen to obtain surgically precise intelligence of their every move and we have notified to their face we are coming to bring justice and put them in prison. This is when they will fear us.

When they see we are this organized but totally asymmetric awareness due to the fact that it is an understanding of real law you can bet your bottom dollar they will submit to the will of the people because the source of all oprder in divine law will unfold the necessary biochemical messaging in Natural law to constrain their very movements through self-regulation; again REAL LAW. We must shape the law through precedence of justice but first we need gather the detailed intel needed otherwise they will simply be squawking rats like the boneless chicken head is here.

If all of the people who go out and protest and participate in politics were to turn their detailed attention and focused efforts to the judicial branch and seek lawful precedent and justice from our juries the criminals would be toast. Do you understand the supreme power of the Grand Jury? Wiretaps, search and arrest warrants, indictments! We can turn to our juries and begin to mow the lawn of crime across the country starting tomorrow if we are clear on how real law works.

There is so much more we can do in the courts than we could ever achieve in politics. In the courts we could starting putting these criminals in prison and removing their criminality from the halls of justice. When considering the fact that the courts are the only real interface to the liberties of the people with government it really doesn't make much sense to turn to politics to seek remedy for criminal acts committed against us. This fact is self-evident. Chicken head Dave can blow a balloon with his bag of wind that has every appearance of little man syndrome. You think Boneless chicken head is a small man? It seems almost guaranteed from his trolliness.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

the really funny thing is..

you BOTH are living proof that your theories/ opinions in this arena are wrong. You BOTH admit to and have actually gone to jail after refusing to get representation, and playing sov cit games in pro per/pro se in court. And yet, delusion, it's a powerful thing...

Mr. Freeman - I sure hope you show some respect to the guy representing you in court for your next one. he deserves it. Especially if he has an unappreciative dip for a client. So just don't be one of those. 'Cause that would be bad.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I had representation

I've only been pro se until I could find appropriate counsel. Only a fool has himself for a client, right?

And respect is earned not automatically granted because of a title! On the whole I respect my lawyer's or they are not my attorney for long. Just because they passed the bar doesn't make them a god though!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

your first sentence sure is peachy

"I've been to jail twice but I won both cases." - Phreedom.

that pretty much describes the black-is-white theorizing that goes on here. I'm debating with insane or delusional people when I get into this area. If I cite a case which holds that this stuff is frivolous - which I actually DID in this thread - it will (and DID) get ignored or disregarded. But some doofus' website about his traffic ticket, with no documents, no proof, well, there that there is the real deal yes sirree.

As I've said above, I'm done with this. Bye. Sorry if I was rude.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

That is because

you do not realize what real law is. The Natural Common Law is shifting in the general consciousness due to the criminality of the current "legal" paradigm of no liability/no accusers. The scales of justice are inherently imbalanced from this lack of equitable liability and thus is generating criminal tyranny in the name of "law enforcement". If the law is not congruent within all law then the general consciousness will induce a shift to correct the imbalances. This is how real law works. No body cares about your stupid case law on this particular topic because the situation is inherently naturally criminal in its current form due to the violations of the law of agency and breaches of duty to the voluntarily accepted constitutional contractual oath. The system is inherently broken at this point in time and citing case law that is sourced in blatant criminality is completely irrelevant to Real Law. When the great herd moves the lawful understanding will move with it or come face to face with the unbreakable laws of nature. The only order in recent times to date has been sourced from the control of information reaching people's neural nets. This information control is now shattered and the resulting randomizing of the general consciousness will result in an almost incomprehensible array of understandings facing the "court". They will attempt to obstruct real justice in order to maintain control but they will simply lose because we are talking about the unyielding laws of nature.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Nope you're wrong

Natural law is not that difficult of a concept and anyone who graduates from law school should know what it is. The reality is that it is not the only thing that influences our laws. And I am not saying that because it is good, but that is the. Way it is. You can pine for a future where only laws based purely on (your interpretation of) natural law exists, but right now we live in the present.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

/Starts making popcorn..

/Wonders if things will become more interesting..

www.youtube.com/truefictions

I try to change people every day. Do You?

Closest

The closest I've ever seen anyone come is my grandfather, who went through the actual court system. His tactic was calling for a jury trial on every thing he possibly could, and getting documents tossed because they weren't signed by anyone at the IRS. To this day, I believe that a loophole relating to oil royalty exploration credits they closed back in the late '90s was because he was using it. I remember him paying $100,000 in taxes one year, and $12 the next. $13 the year after that. The IRS dropped all suit against him at least once, and somewhere we have the family record of them replying back to him asking for more time on their case.

He wasn't using the free man on land or sovereign or any of that crap, he just found loopholes in the existing massive tax code that he could take advantage of. He was damned good at it. He ended up one step away from the Supreme Court while he was fighting what we all know now as Tax Court, which he deemed to be unconstitutional.

The only problem is that it cost him his life. Not in the conspiracy sense, but in the consuming sense that for 5 years he spent almost every day working on his cases. He gained weight, started losing his memory, and generally his health deteriorated. He actually wrote a book about the trials and what he did to bolster his cases. You can find it under the title, Double Treason Against the United States of America, by Robert Lee Cecil. The writing isn't particularly good, and the grammar may have a lot of mistakes, but he includes all of his briefs and a ton of the actual communications from the IRS and back. He got it copyrighted and registered, but never really need anything about distribution. I'm debating trying to get it made into an e-book. http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/the-whole-school-montes... is the only place on the web I've found a reference to it.

Of course, this fails you're challenge, but he's the only guy I know who's ever had a fight or 5 against the IRS and won.

Eric Hoffer

eh

good story, but not quite what we're looking for here.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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face palm

why didn't i think of creating a post
that got others to do my research and homework for me ;)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I would think...

...that a proponent of the sovereign legal argument would be eager to show others in the community that this is in fact a legitimate tactic to escape abuse by our government. He isn't asking you to outline and detail the process involved in becoming a sovereign. All that is being asked is someone provides evidence that this has ever worked in court. I've seen plenty of hearsay on this site related to the topic, but no one that has ever done it themselves.

peace + liberty = prosperity

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no,as a matter of fact

what he seeks is more to snicker and snort over
this post is about causing division,as the chicken will not
accept anything as fact or truth
this is easily proven by the words used in post itself
i see the same tactic used every time i come across one of the chickens comments to people here
and it is all for amusement,as he has nothing more to do,
and it is certainly not about furthering anything for the liberty movement
if it was for seeking truth,that is what the search tab is for
this topic has been done here before,but was it utilized before this post? i say nope
you see,i could have pointed him in the direction of 2 people i know
who drive without plates and no license,2 i know about,that when in court gets thrown out,and nothing is recorded for the record.
but this post is more of an ego stroking than it is for learning
so i didn't,nor will i help
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It's not about causing division

but ending it. And making a point. Yes, I anticipate having some laughs along the way. I am silly that way.

So your license plate no license buddies - that is not really on point unless they are succeeding due to sovereign mumbo jumbo. Them's the rules. I can't just take everyone's word for it. Otherwise, everyone who got a ticket dismissed out of dumb luck would claim it is because they muttered something about admiralty jurisdiction and claim victory.

No, I don't anticipate "learning" anything but I am sick fo these frauds running around claiming they do this stuff.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Well deacon.......

It's probably because your way too conservative to ever imagine something using " homework redistribution " as a means of having your homework done. The whole concept seems quite, well for lack of a better word....progressive.

That being said.....there's an essential ingredient that all our Founders had that many " well known " sovereigns ( Jerry Kane for example ) lack; that seems to be " high personal integrity of moral character ".

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington