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Who holds the only gun, holds the only bag.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Keep it simple

Debt based economy = Passing the bill to the next generation.
Fiat currency = Ultimate hyper inflation.
Currency manipulation = Delaying a bigger crash.
Crony capitalism = Monopolization.
Bigger government = A quicker end.

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Monopoly Money

There's something to be wrestled with here. There are two economic factors at play; money (debt and asset) and law (rule and right).

Public = Government
Private = Citizenry

Public Sector - Makes the money and the laws. Holds assets and obeys rules.
Private Sector - Makes nothing. Consumes assets and holds rights.

Public Sector - Makes the laws. Consumes assets and obeys rules.
Private Sector - Makes the money. Holds assets and rights.

Public Sector - Makes the money and the laws. Holds and consumes assets and holds rights.
Private Sector - Makes nothing. Obeys rules.

This is a pretty simple breakdown, but the important thing to note is where the gun is.

The reason that the socialism doesn't exist is because, like the picture, it's silly to think the guy with the gun is just going to let the other guy have the money.

The reason that the capitalism is fading is because the guys who make the money start to make the laws.

The reason fascism is a common end state is because it's the reality of what happens when only one guy holds the gun.

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I think the infographic would flow better if it went Capitalism, Socialism, Fascism.

Start with equality; then show that one side takes the gun away from the other side, and then holds them hostage for the money; and then show that the side with the gun got the money. Right on.

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Excellent Point!

You made the perfect point.

The American economic system has evolved like so:

Subsistence-> Colonialism-> Capitalism

It currently is "Progressively" "evolving" along the trend you mentioned:

Capitalism-> Socialism-> Fascism

If you want to break it down more, it may look like this:

Localized Capitalism -> Regionalized Capitalism -> Monopolism -> Interventionism -> Crony Capitalism -> Welfarism -> ***CURRENT POINT*** -> Socialism -> Jingoistic Statism -> Fascism

The point at which things went wrong was availability of credit which was not asset backed. This became possible as a result of the conversion from Monopolism to Interventionism (And we can thank Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson for that).

There was a genuine fear of the people against their exploitative monopolising capitalist bosses. They did the right thing to stand against them and unionize. The government did the wrong thing in taking sides, and making law to support the union side. The government did the wrong thing in breaking up monopolies. There is a better way to deal with the monopolies using their money/influence to subvert the ability of the state to govern constitutionally. This is a shortcoming of our representative Democracy, in that a Monopolist can effectively commit arguably seditious acts by buying congressional favor to avoid being charged with the potentially seditious acts of subverting the government by writing the "truth" to change public favor towards policies that enable them to act in exploitative ways.

When run by capitalists who are not using government to give them a competitive edge, monopolies actually encourage innovation. It made Rockefeller build pipelines. It made Morgan buy Carnegie Steel. It made Rockefeller diversify into the kerosene byproduct petroleum for other product lines beyond lighting. It made Morgan create General Electric. It allowed Carnegie to affect "real, permanent good" as a philanthropist. If it weren't for government intervention through patents, the reward of innovation would be the ability to have a head-start on monopolizing your industry. Labor unions can be just as effective as a democracy to prevent exploitation as the general citizenry can be to prevent tyranny.


I adhere to you class struggle.

I do not adhere to your insistence upon the power to oppress the people.

Simply: the power to do evil depends on your willingness to support evil.

Stop doing that.

You think you can support good, by CHEERING when your GUY puts men in rape cages because they do a different drug than you do.

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Ha! So true.

Simply: the power to do evil depends on your willingness to support evil.

Ha! So true.

In this age of information, if we were lucky enough to have 1) truly free markets and 2) just laws - and we have NONE precisely because the absence of (2) PREVENTS the existence of (1) BY DESIGN - "bad", under-performant capitalists would never exist for long; either they would learn and improve from their mistake, or they'd be killed by competition - and that's, IMO, the only fair game. Phony businesses, scam and con schemes would be punished every time they're exposed, the consumer would be king. Economic crime by some individuals would not vanish entirely, but at least it wouldn't be A PILLAR of an entire system based on LEGAL PLUNDER, as it is today.

It's no shame to not succeed all the time. You've got to lose sometimes, to succeed later. But socialism and fascism only encourage the killing of fair incentives and fair rewards. They only encourage mediocres and bullies to prevail over their victims.

All for the grand ultimate oligarchical agenda and its goal: enabling the few to enslave the many.

And if that's not UTTERLY disgusting once it's fully realized and reckoned as such, I HAVE NO IDEA what else can be.

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Yes of course the fkucer with

Yes of course the fkucer with the only gun WILL have the bag.

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On incentives, corruptibility, rent-seeking, just vs unjust laws

The reason that the capitalism is fading is because the guys who make the money start to make the laws.

Yes, and that probably deserves to be put under even further scrutiny.

Who was responsible to make laws or undo them in the USA, while keeping respect for the Constitution?

Congress (not alone of course, but for a big part anyway).

How is Congress paid?

By tax payer's money. They get an automatic rent. It's pretty comfy at $175,000/year. But that's just a detail, I'm not obsessed with that.

Point is: it's a rent. They don't produce anything we can touch and consume for that. It's no food, no goods, no services. But only laws, with their intrinsic force. And as the Ancient would say: "dura lex, sed lex" (the law is harsh, but that's the law). The latter better be just, then.

Now, where is, then, Congress's incentive, as corruptible men (because ALL MEN are corruptible of course, with and by power, at some point, including myself; angels don't exist on earth)?

Incentive 1 for Congress: do whatever it takes to keep getting their rent = be re-elected = please the people who voted them in (or PRETEND to please them, at minima)

Side note, btw; and what does this incentive LOGICALLY imply, among other things: what happens when the MAJORITY of the people who vote them in, gets DUMBER AND DUMBER, easier and easier to please, easier and easier to deceive? Scary isn't it? (for the other minorities)

Incentive 2 for Congress: get more money from some wealthy lobbyists who support them as well, with a hidden agenda, and vote them in, for friendly laws (to the same lobbyists, that is)

Incentive 3 for Congress when it's a Constitution with a section 4 in Amendment 14 (as today's): favor or make laws that keep the debt increase out of sight, out of discussion, to keep on going with the status quo.



This consideration above, IMO, deserves more thoughts from the people, if we're to have any future and lucky enough to reinstate a republic, some day.

(I don't have any "solution" of course; I'm only, still, pondering on it)


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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

What a great comment!

Thanks for breaking it down for me. I am young, and dumb and the socialism one was a little confusing! lol

You learn something new everyday. I love DP and the incredibly smart folks who hang out here!

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How can I print off a copy of

How can I print off a copy of this?

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Web browser?

Which web browser? Under file should have a print option...

print me


When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Right click, copy image. paste into MS paint or equiv.

I had to add a text box for that tagline.

Save and print.

If the creator added some accreditation and date I would update my copy.

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I'm gonna have to call up tech support and say "Son, how do I do this?" I'm on a macbook, no right clickey thing. I appreciate the help!

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to copy graphic on a Mac

To copy this excellent graphic on a Mac simply press Command-Shift-4 at the same time and then drag over the area you want to copy. It will save on your desktop as a PNG picture file. Hope this helps.

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It worked

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Well, capitalism never worked

Well, we even saw the CEO of Apple Computer recently say that "Apple has no obligation to the public interest", and I think this demonstrates the problem with capitalism.

Private Companies are only beholded to their own shareholders. The sole motivating factor of capitalism is to pursue money and to value that ethos (of greed) over human conditions, human rights, the environment, whether the water is clean or dirty, whether the air is clean or dirty, whether some product causes Cancer or not.

It is a system based upon raw competition over an abstract creation (money), which has left the world Soulless, spiritually and intellectually bankrupt, and possessed by consumerism and worthless junk.

Wars are fought (mass murder) for profit (Oil), and to hoard World Resources so that private International Bankers and Corporations can get rich. Are they not capitalists? In fact, they are the kingpins of the capitalistic system that have acheived such a level of success that they can then (with their wealth) invert the whole system back against any potential competitors.

And every landscape and roadway in the World is now permantly littered-up with the pornography of cheap Corporate Advertising. Even the Internet itself (including this site) slaps-up inescapable, endless Advertisment and marketing gimmicks in front of our faces. Yuck! This is the capitalistic wasteland in which we live.

The profit system necessarily produces a stratified society....made up of "winners" and "losers". It is the driver of all the World's Economic inequities and dissatisfaction. It is also the driver of people wasting their lives away on stupid careers, or corrupt careers -- because the profit motive always tells them they have to make that choice (or that fulfilling careers like pursuing an Art career or teaching won't pay and you will starve).

I do not pretend that socialism, as we know it, is the correct answer. But capitalism clearly did not work in this country, because ever since the days of the 1800s with the big Railroad profiteers and the Banking profiteers -- these "captains of Industry" managed to completely hollow-out our elected government and turn it into a carnival for just themselves and their own interests.

We need a system that protects the public interest, the common good, and where policy decisions are made that can erase want and poverty and greed and Mankind's base, reptilian emotions.

Being slaves to private profiteers, and having to work 60-hours a week with lousy pay and few holidays and no retirement or health benefits -- is no way to live a life. They call it the rat race because -- we are the rats in this system. This is inhuman.

So we live inside a high-tech feudalistic system today. We are all just serfs and peasants with cell-phones and traffic jams and video games, and little meaning, or intellectual thought to our lives. We've been played.

Our basic humanity and our spiritualitally has been destroyed. This was not man's destiny. There is no garden of eden here.

It is a greed-based wasteland with little incentive for human values to be sustained.

But just ignore me, and go back to your cell-phones, and your GPS devices, and your X-Box, and staring at the wateland of all the advertising gimmicks all around you, and ignoring all the inequity and the poverty and human suffering, and the Wars (which is always fought to enrich private profiteers), and the destruction of our air and water -- and continue to say that a profit-based system works.

I don't know what the answer is (Zeitgeist?), but history has shown that a profit system does not work. It just produces predatory profiteers, and a human value system of greed and consumerism and Global War.

Consumers Rule

No, they only care about consumers--that is to say, they fail if they don't--it's a process.

Just look at Winchell's: did they get ahead of Starbucks when coffee became a meal? Did Baskin Robbins 31 Flavors keep ahead of yogurt shops when low-fat was the rage, and change to gourmet icecream when that came?

Sears. The most successful mail-order company in the world, just sat there when Amazon, eBay, and others took over online retail. They could have been HUGE. Even the post office has trouble keeping up with alternatives.

Don't blame capitalists. Good ones (who meet demand) succeed, and those who don't fail--regulation just makes it take longer.

Consumers shape everything, including government. They're the ones who demand government regulate capitalists (whether they vote or not). Consumers outnumber voters. Consumers need to be educated to be careful what they ask for, because they will be sold what they say they want even if inferior (beta vs VHS). Shareholders are just a small minority of consumers. Capitalists has no power consumers and voters don't give them.

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Consumption is no virtue

First of all, consumers do not win in our "capitalistic" society otherwise we would not have $150 cable TV bills, and a culture of "junk food", and total pre-fabricated crap for TV progamming, and marketing gimmicks and lip-syncing for "Music Stars" ... instead of real talent.

Marketing = Lies

Never forget that. Second of all, we the workers do not win in this Country either, as 25% of children now live in poverty, we have low wages, declining benefits, fewer holidays, elimination of overtime pay, and our jobs are shipped overseas (in search of even cheaper labor). All of these things make sense from the standpoint of Company Porfits. But it completely destroys the whole quality of life for Americans.

Finally, consumers have no power. Wall Street and Mass-Marketeers and Monopolies have all the power in this Country. So the question is why did these Corporations get so much power? Answer: Because they seek more money, and in some cases they bribed the government to help them. Well, why did they choose to bribe the government and pursue that devious path? Answer: Because a For-Profit system is all based upon zero concerns for humanity, and just bottom-line matters such as increasing profits, expanding market share until you control it all, hostile takeovers, and ultimately creating a Monopoly.

Nobody wins in the Corporate Aristocracy anymore than they do in a Government Dictatorship. But a for-profit system will always produce this development and this corruption, because money is the master and all human implications and concerns are tossed aside.

But don't take my word for it. The Apple CEO said: "We have no obligation to the public interest." And that will always be the case.....

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You still don't know what your talking about:

You still don't know what your talking about:

Nobody wins in the Corporate Aristocracy anymore than they do in a Government Dictatorship. But a for-profit system will always produce this development and this corruption, because money is the master and all human implications and concerns are tossed aside.


It's not about a "for-profit" system, it's all about a "legal plunder" system. So, get a first clue: 14th Amendment, section 4, first sentence.

The UNJUST profits are only consequential and contingent to the LEGAL PLUNDER system, and are to go only to the VERY cronies who have the best interest in keeping this LEGAL PLUNDER system in place, precisely.

While the opportunities for JUST profits to go to the REAL creators of wealth, employment, and empowerment of the middle class thru fair competition and trade are stolen away from them or turned into COUNTER-INCENTIVES to continue do so.


It's not about "money is the master...", it's all about "FAKE money is the master..."

Money, when sound, is just money. It's a medium of exchange during trade, and/or a temporary store of value. Because it's not quite practical to exchange gallons or tons of oil for hundreds or thousands of cows.

So, get a second clue: learn about the terms of the Federal Reserve System Act (and/or, interchangeably, the intent that also created Gosbank, in ex-USSR).


And even, get a third clue: the 16th Amendment.

Finally, notice something interesting:

for EACH AND EVERY OF ALL THREE CLUES I have only recalled above, the FORCE AND ARBITRARY of government is at the beginning AND at the end of these so-called initiatives that were claimed/deemed to be "for the general public interest".

You're NOT firing at the enemy of liberty, peace, prosperity in this thread.

Instead, you KEEP firing at what the enemy IS PRECISELY, ALREADY, BUSY DESTROYING.

So, what do you want, exactly?

More injustice, more plunder, more confusion thanks to, and BY AND FOR big state?


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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

How about Dr. King?

Dr Martin L. King I think knew exactly what he was talking about when he said: "When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered."


I'm not sure how you can claim that Capitalism is only about "just profits", and plunder for the benefit of for-profit entities is not also Capitalism as well. Both arise from the root motive of making profits and the naked pursuit of money (to the exclusion of other concerns).

There is no altruistic profit motive. A profit motive is by its very definition clearly a selfish pursuit, and one that creates selfish results ... i.e., 1) the private desire for Monopolies, 2) the desire to move our jobs overseas ans screw workers because it's cheaper, 3) the desire to deceive people with marketing gimmicks and false advertising, and 4) the desire to litter up the Countryside with sleazy advertisements everywhere that you look, etc..

Secondly, Money is never "sound" if it is something that the Rothschilds and the International Banksters and the Central Banks own and control most of (and can manipulate in any way -- which includes gold). All money is simply an exchange medium, and it is the amount of SUPPLY rather than the form itself that determines whether it will diminish in value. But the fix for the monetary problems are a separate discussion here.

Finally, I don't defend a "big state". But what we have is a big Corporate-Rule-State, with Corporate-Wars, and Wall-Street initiated corruption (including the inhabiting of the public government and perverting all the laws to benefit these Oligarchs). All of this arises from a system that made "money" the King of our existence, and banished away all common human concerns to just strangled, powerless cries from the wilderness.

Unlike the 1980s Wall-Street movie, "greed is not good". But this is exactly what a for-profit system creates and instructs us how to live out our lives. Everything has a price tag, anything can be bought and sold, and we've even come to the day when ... water (our life force) ... has a price tag, and someday even the air that we breath.

That is a sad commentary on what we've done to ourselves, and the planet.

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I don't know where you come from, or what's your problem

I don't know where you come from, or what's your problem with "profits".

I have no problem with "profits" when they're justly earned.

I do have a problem when they aren't of course. But I also strive to distinguish cause and effects and not have everything blurred or mixed up.

You seem to insist making the case that "profits" would be inherently bad or wrong. And that is untrue.

That's in fact an engineered lie. Engineered by Marxists not so long ago :

Quote from Marx on the Tendency of the rate of profit to fall


albeit debunked by Bastiat decades earlier, against the first socialists he already had around him, who had no other rationale than to invent artificial antagonisms to justify their greater "better" plans :

Bastiat on Antagonisms


That's just a 2 minute-read.

Do you have 9 more minutes?

Learn about basic, natural economics:


It really isn't that complicated.


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Oh, I beg to differ. Capitalism certainly works.

Oh, I beg to differ. Capitalism certainly works. It's everything else that fails.

Capitalism is also listed as "traditional economics" under this post:


Enjoy. :)

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I think you are on the wrong site :)

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Respectful disagreement

You opened a can of worms purposefully?

Apple Inc. of course is not obligated to the public interest as such, however, people have a choice as to what they will purchase for their entertainment and Apple is not forcing people from the barrel of a gun to purchase their products.

If it wasn't for this simple fact, common sense in reality, then everything else would be for naught. The coercive nature of the state dictates otherwise, if you do not pay your property taxes you will be forced from your home. If you do not pay your income taxes you will be arrested with the consent of the I.R.S.

Yes...and that's the problem

So I'm glad that you recognize that Apple (and companies like Apple) are not ever obligated to the public interest (or common good). And this is exactly the problem. No private Company is.

So then tell me, by what means are the common interests and common humanity of mankind ever assured? Clearly, not by capitalism as you have acknowledged.

When the only goal is "to profit", that means anything goes for the sake of the almighty dollar ..... even murder, War, crime, corruption, and this is always exactly what makes mankind to horrible horrible things: the raw pursuit of money.

Now also recall that China has an impressive high speed Rail system across their Country. The United States does not. Clearly, it would be in the public interest to have a high speed rail system in any large Country.

So will advances like this ever come from Capitalism? The answer is no, because Capitalism is only structured to serve the interests of its shareholders. The betterment of society is not in the equation, and not the goal.

How will big problems like poverty and hunger and mass suffering ever end? Capitalism? Clearly not.

It is time to think outside the box.

A world based on profit turns everything into just something to sell or buy. Today you have to pay for water (it used to be free ... and clean).

Someday, you'll have to even pay for the air you breath too!

Look what we've done to ourselves!


Yes, I understand that companies are not obligated to the public interest, but you must understand that because this occurs it isn't because of greed or malfeasance. It occurs because the free market is as such, a marketplace where the consumer decides which products to buy without coercion from the state.

Because our government decides to increase taxes in it's given geographical area Apple has every right as a free enterprise to move it's area of production offshore to a less tax-stressed region. Hence the shipping of jobs offshore. This is clearly evident with numerous American companies that look to save costs to increase their bottom-line.

If you cannot see this obviousness then it isn't going to help anyone who explains to you the hundreds of rules and regulations that stifle competition and innovation in the marketplace.

As for China it was the governments idea, not the public, to create high speed rail. As for the benefits I personnally know 2 recent naturalized Chinese immigrants who claim that these things are a result of government intrusion and have not had any benefit to the public at large. As well, there are entire cities and malls that have no residents to occupy them. Capitalism does not need charity, or funding, from government to flourish. It simply needs to be left alone to allow those who create the opportunity to provide.

On another note, charity was once the best way to help out those less fortunate in America. Some of the first charities were Churches, not the sacred cow of "wealth redistribution" welfare.

As for "look at what we've done to ourselves" you need to throw that verbage your own way, I didn't vote for this as I don't think voting is all that necessary to the process when it comes to the presidency. Plus, if you've followed anything Bev Harris has done in this respect you'd know it doesn't matter who you vote for.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin

As for your alluding to starving people, last I checked it wasn't the job of government to feed the hungry. There are such things as charities, but as you have seen with those who try to donate to society without government oversight seem to lose both the charity they attempt to dishout and the right to distribute such privately.

And money is not the root-of-all-evil that plagues capitalism, it is simply the medium of exchange. HOWEVER, it is regulated as you can see with the Federal Reserve, if you created the money of an entire nation what would you care of the laws it created also?

"Give me control of a nations money, and I care not who makes its laws!"

You should look up who said that in order for your bankster profiteers to take hold properly. America did not create this system of monetary control, powerful interests behind the scenes did. Those that do not represent the majority have held this majority in slavery since 1913.


There is no such thing as the public interest. There are only individuals who try to hide their desire to steal from others to provide for themselves the things they want. Think about it. You have interests. You'd like fast trains. But that's not in my interest. I don't want fast trains. China does not have an impressive high speed rail system. They have a high speed rail system which has destroyed a great deal of land and produces a great deal of pain and suffering. And it offers no more benefit than an i-pad.

High speed rail serves no interest except for those who profit from it, and those seem to be the ones you are trying to criticize.

Yes, it's time to think outside the box, and abandon corporate identity. Then the evils of Apple and it's corporate benefits and the evil of thinking in terms of collective interests both go away.

Learn to feed yourself. Learn to defend yourself. Build the community that is necessary to do those things. And stop trying to make slaves of the rest of us for your selfish interests.

Capitalism certainly worked

It worked in the middle ages many places. It worked in the States United for about a century.

Wars are not fought for profit, and can never be fought for profit. The reason is simple, wars are not profitable.

Wars are fought for rent.

Wars are not 'profitable', unless the costs can be socialized onto other people. War is the pure and inevitable result of state interference in markets. Once this is allowed the inevitable result is war and capital destruction by myriad means.

People are programmed to be ignorant of history and economics. This is why the Pavlovian response to the evil of the state, is clamor for more state, ie Zeitgeist, which is just the same old fascism with a new paint job.

Power can only be used to force people to do things they don't want to, steal from them, put them in cages, or murder them.

You believe the power can be used for good. This is impossible because power is evil.

There is nothing else you can do with power. That is the point of power.

To believe that power can be used for good you have to believe anyone willing to do any of those things is good. No good person would be willing to do any of those things.

If you say you would steal, kill, or enslave for the 'greater good', you are not good, you are corrupted.

If want the power for another reason, you are worse than corrupt.

Anything else you want to do, you can do with voluntary suasion or trade.

Lord Acton said power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He was on the right track, but unwilling to face the truth.

The truth is not that power corrupts.

The truth is that power is corruption.

Government can do not good because it must employ evil. When it seems to have done some good, it has done the greatest ill of all, by allowing the slaves to have the delusion they are free.