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Friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev killed by FBI Agent while being "interviewed" in Orlando

UPDATE:
2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die
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News interview with friends of guy who was killed: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/orange-county/fbi-a...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/fbi-involved-in-fatal-shoot...

An Orlando man who was shot and killed by an agent with the FBI early this morning was friends with the Boston bombings suspects, according to a friend of the victim.

That man, Khusn Taramiv, thinks it was his friend — Ibragim Todashev — who was shot this morning in the 6000 block of Peregrine Avenue in Orlando.

Todashev, 27, was arrested by the Orange County Sheriff's Office on May 4 and charged with aggravated battery with great bodily harm.

Taramiv told several television outlets his friend was being investigated as part of the Boston bombings and knew bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev because both were mixed martial-arts fighters.

The FBI has not released the name of the suspect who was shot or confirmed the possible connection to the Boston bombing suspects.

"The agent encountered the suspect while conducting official duties," said Dave Couvertier, FBI spokesman. "We are still gathering facts involving the shooting incident."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-fb...

Another: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/fbi-involved-in-fatal-shoot...
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Newest FBI story about the Chechen they killed today in Florida

He 'confessed' to the murders of Tamerlan's sparring partner and friends....and then attacked them.

Case closed!

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Haha, so because you were

Haha, so because you were living under a rock and didn't know about central banking you think no one did for a hundred years?

Didn't you ever wonder where money came from? I think this knowledge is still being digested in your brain so you don't have a clear conception of how it works.

The Federal Reserve may have several glaring insufficiencies but it is certainly no conspiracy. Don't project your ignorance onto others.

Wow, usually people run out

Wow, usually people run out of logical arguments THEN fall back on Ad Homenen attacks, you went for it right off that bat.

I am aware how Fractional Reserve banking works and how the Federal Reserve is a continuation of the age old system thank you. What is ignorant is the fact that most Americans think it is a government entity rather than a private banking cartel and that our Money is in fact debt. As the other responder stated, a conspiracy is a group of people meeting in secret, particularly to commit a treacherous act.

Lets flash back to around 1910 when the most powerful and wealthy bankers met in secret on Jeckyll island to draft the legislation that will become the Federal Reserve and push it through congress on Christmans Eve 1913. It has been 100 years since this little event and for the most part, Americans are mostly clueless as to the realities of the Federal Reserve and how our money is created. Thus the conspiracy, created in 1913, has been kept largely a secret and has enjoyed the fruits of its labor for the better part of 100 years.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Henry Ford

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Yep, just as I thought. You

Yep, just as I thought. You don't know much at all, though you think you do.

CONGRESS is the entity that is doing deficit spending!

Your debt is mostly owned by OTHER NATIONS!

What happens to the debt owed to the Federal Reserve?
A small percentage of the the interest on that debt is used to pay for operations and salaries and the rest goes into the TREASURY.

You think people haven't examined these issues in the past? That its all some big secret? LOL.

As for that meeting, I've already explained it elsewhere and you would do well to look at at least ONE other source of your information than 'Creature from Jekyll Island'

The Supreme Court has already said that the Fed is constitutional, so there goes that argument as well. As final interpreter of your constitution I will take its word over yours, or anyone else's, thank you very much.

And why is it private and not subject to audits? Long, long story. Read up on it on NON-CONSPIRACY websites and if you still have questions ask them here.

I can't say I blame you because most of the DP holds these same misconceptions. Once you have got past them you can see what the real problems are with the federal reserve and learn to ignore the pretend ones.

It is the Federal Reserve

It is the Federal Reserve system that allows congress to perpetually spend beyond their means. Congress is just as complicit in our mess today as the FED but that does not discount the fact that the Federal Reserve has institutionalized the inherently corrupt currency system of fractional reserve banking.

While the "Creature from Jekyll Island" dramatizes the event, it does not discount that fact that powerful banking interests met in secret to draft legislation to institutionalize the corrupt banking practices that led to the panic of 1907 which was used to justify the act. The bankers wanted a way to be able to continue their practices without fear of a bank run so they used the weight of the Federal government to regulate unlimited credit for them which results in inflation for us.

The Supreme Court saying it is Constitutional may be ok from a regulatory standpoint but not from the true intent of the Constitution which states only Congress shall be allowed to coin currency, not a legalized banking cartel. The members were different but our current justices called the ACA Constitutional even with the individual mandate, or even better the infamous Wickard v. Filburn case in which a man growing wheat for his own consumption was ordered to destroy his crops under the "Interstate Commerce" clause because eating your own crop somehow effects interstate market prices. The same political influences that swayed those decisions were surly there during the time they declared the FED constitutional.

The prevailing rationale for the FED to not be audited to protect them from “Political Interests” which is a falsification in itself. The Fed being able to loan money to other central banks behind congress’s back to influence foreign policy and to manipulate our economy to create the perception of prosperity to boost approval ratings is inherently political.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

deacon's picture

question

how does the rest of the interest go to the treasury when none is left?
meaning one will never own more than the ones who create it,so how can
any be left over? that does not make sense
how can/did the supreme court say the fed res is constitutional when it is in fact not?
the const states congress shall coin and set the weights,this means
congress does it with the treasury,not the fed res
the fed res wasn't even around when that was drafted,so how can it
be const? it cannot,as it is not
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Here you go

Below are some recent court rulings on the issues of the Federal Reserve and paper money.

U.S. v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, C.A.Kan. 1980:

Federal Reserve Notes in which the defendant, charged with failure to file federal income tax returns, was paid were lawful money within the meaning of the United States Constitution. 26 USCA §7203; USCA Const. Art. 1, §8, cl. 5.
U.S. v. Wangrund, 533 F.2d 495; C.A.Cal. 1976
The statute establishing Federal Reserve Notes as legal tender for all debts, public and private, including taxes, is within the constitutional authority of Congress; thus the defendant could not overturn his conviction on two counts of wilful failure to make an income tax return on the theory that he did not receive money since checks he received as compensation for his services could be cashed only for Federal Reserve Notes which were not redeemable in specie. 26 USCA §61, §7203; USCA Const. art. 1, §8; Coinage Act of 1965, §102; 31 USCA §392.
Nixon v. Individual Head of St. Joseph Mortgage Company, 615 F.Supp. 890, affirmed 787 F.2d 596. D.C.Ind. 1985.
Federal Reserve notes are legal tender.
Ginter v. Southern, 611 F.2d 1226, certiorari denied 100 S.Ct 2946, 446 US 967, 64 L.E.d.2d 827. C.A.Ark. 1979.

Tax protestor's claims concerning the constitutionality of the Federal Reserve System, Internal Revenue Code and establishment of tax court were so frivolous as not to require discussion and detail. USCA Const. Amends. 5, 13; 28 USCA §1346; 26 USCA §6532, 26 USCA §7422.
U.S. v. Schmitz, 542 F.2d 782 certiorari denied 97 S.Ct. 1134, 429 US 1105, 51 L.Ed.2d 556. C.A.Cal. 1976.
Federal Reserve Notes constitute legal tender and are taxable dollars. USCA Const. Art. 1, §10.
Milam v. U.S., 524 F.2d 629. C.A.Cal. 1974.

The statute which delegates to the Federal Reserve System the power to issue circulating notes for money borrowed and the power to define the quality and force of those notes as currency is valid ... Although golden eagles, double eagles, and silver dollars were lovely to look at and delightful to hold, the holder of a $50 Federal Reserve Bank Note, although entitled to redeem his note, was not entitled to do so in precious metal. Federal Reserve Act, §16, 12 USCA §411; Coinage Act of 1965, §102, 31 USCA

It is also sometimes argued that the constitution permits the minting only of gold or silver coins. This is a misinterpretation, as a federal court makes clear in U.S. v. Rifen, 577 F.2d 1111. C.A.Mo. 1978:

The United States Constitution prohibits states from declaring legal tender anything other than gold or silver but does not limit Congress' power to declare what shall be legal tender for all debts ... Federal Reserve Notes are taxable dollars. Coinage Act of 1965, §102, 31 USCA §392; USCA Const. Art. 1, §10.
This point is made further in Nixon v. Phillipoff, 615 F.Supp. 890, affirmed 787 F.2d 596. D.C.Ind. 1985:
The provision of the Constitution [USCA Const Art. 1, §8, cl. 5] which gives Congress the right to coin money, and regulate the value thereof, gives Congress exclusive ability to determine what will be legal tender throughout the country ... The provision of the Constitution [USCA Const. Art. 1, §10, cl. 1] which mandates that no state shall make anything but gold or silver coin tender in payment of debts acts only to remove from states inherent soverign power to declare currency, thus leaving Congress as the sole declarant of what constitutes legal tender; the provision does not require states to accept only gold and silver as tender ... Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender for any debt or public charge ... Using or accepting Federal Reserve Notes as payment for state court filing fees was completely proper under the Constitution. USCA Const. Art. 1, §8, cl. 5; 31 USCA §5103.

The court made the point again somewhat humourously in Foret v. Wilson, 725 F.2d 400. C.A.La. 1984:
Gold and silver coin do not constitute the only legal tender by the United States; thus, the appellant, who bid $2.80 in silver dimes on a foreclosed property requiring a minimum bid of $80,000 under Louisiana law, was not entitled to the deed to the property.

deacon's picture

so because a court ruled

it const,therefor it is?
the supreme courts role is to uphold the const
not interpret it
you can site all manner of cases,this does not make it right
or even correct
did the courts and the fed gov have a say at all in the 1st amendment?
or the 2nd,or the 4th or 5th?
no they certainly did not,so they are out of order and have ruled in favor of illegal activities.
can any court rule and say we have free speech zones? constitutionally?
can any court bypass any part of the 2nd amendment and rule that we can only own a certain model,or rule and say we can only own ones with
7 round mags? again constitutionally speaking?
i can go on,but i hope you get the picture
you see if they rule against the checks and balances of the law that holds them in check,then they are in err,and have done so illegally,and have violated their oaths,and have violated the ones who the const was written for
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

deacon's picture

correction

our own fed gov conspired to bring the fed res into existence
as it was and is a conspiracy
the fed gov still to this day conspires to keep it up and running

conspiracy
  Use Conspiracy in a sentence
con·spir·a·cy
[kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA
noun, plural con·spir·a·cies.
1.
the act of conspiring.
2.
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3.
a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.
Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
doesn't this sound like what was done to bring the reserve into being?
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Not this frikkin brain-dead

Not this frikkin brain-dead argument again. You do know that "Conspiracy Theory" in the modern context has a different meaning than just the two individual words slapped against each other?

In our conversation, obviously, any use is 'conspiracy' is meant to be 'conspiracy theory'.

deacon's picture

use the term any way you like

as long it is the right way
or you are wrong
what the fed gov did was conspire against the people of the united states
argue about it all you like,but facts are facts
but please,do not just take my word for it,research it
because at it stands,you sound like an ignorant tool
the creature form Jekyll island is a great start
or you could cheat and use Google
and i could care less how modern you want to take the term,i am not PC
nor will i be,and i won't make a word or words bad just because others
use it derogatory, it is no different that the words racist,racism,birther
say what you want,but be honest first
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

You're Right

Your point is fair. I can't say for sure what happened. I should've phrased it as something like "are we going to start seeing others related to the case start disappearing?"

I will up vote your post.

Thanks. Then plz disregard the "you"...

...(meaning you personally) in my comment.

Waterboarding gone bad...

Friends are dropping off similar to the JFK hit.

"Give a man a gun, and he could rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he could rob the world."

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Is this nazi germany or the usa?

Its getting harder to tell the difference.

No trial. No jury. No justice. No peace.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

There will be a trial

Only you and your fellow conspiracy believers will no doubt convince yourselves it's a rigged trial when it doesn't go your conspiracy theory way.

Dead men don't get trials

Duh! The explanation for how he died at the hands of the FBI is the most bs obfuscation non answer the government can give. Straight out of East Germany, which is a situation we're all trying to avoid here by shining the light of truth on it.

Meanwhile, law enforcement all over the countries are doing the 21st century equivalent to what all the cold war law enforcement did -rip the film right out of the cameras in front of the photographer. Except these days, the one holding the phone get the holy shit beaten out of them for their audacity.

The brother will get a trial

That you can bet on. But even so, there's always the "Manchurian candidate brainwashed to kill by the government" conspiracy to fall back on when all other conspiracy theories fail.

What brother? Do you have any clue what case we're talking about

We're talking about the Chechen who was an aquaintance of the Boston Bomber brothers, formerly of Boston, now residing in Orlando, but had a ticket to return to Chechnya. No brother is mentioned in the story. Please see my post, which made the front page, about the FBI changing their unbelievable/credibility destroying story here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/286457/fbi-changes-story-about-shoo...

There's no conspiracy here, darling, there's just facts:

1. The FBI held a man at his home without a warrant, questioning for hours.
2. The last thing the man said to his friend is that the FBI was asking him crazy questions about the bombing and he felt is was some sort of set up.
3. SOP for interrogating a witness was not followed. At a law enforcement facitliy, there would be cameras and no way for him to have a knife. This setting preserves the integrity of the questioning process. This lack of proper procedures is a red flag for corruption in progress.

"Dead Men Tell No Tales."

That was your quote, was it not? I think you know which brother I meant. Again, he's alive and will be tried.

But you're right on one thing -- there's no conspiracy here.

The Dead Man We're Talking about is Ibragim Tobashev

He may have a brother, but that's not what this post was about.

Ibragim had no warrant out for his arrest, but was shot in his home by the FBI. Strange that there were Mass. law enforcement that went down to Orlando for the questioning that he was not obligated to participate in.

One thing is clear, that this whole story is too complicated for you to follow. You meant, of course the younger brother implicated in the Boston Bombing who lost his ability to speak in the process of being apprehended (a story which also is full of holes), but yet was able to confess to it all in writing.

This story is so convoluted, I can hear the theme song to The Naked Gun in the background.

Too complicated?

Correction -- the conspiracy story concocted by the conspiracy folks is too harebrained to follow.

I know I shouldn't be arguing with a doorknob, but

you have addressed none of the facts I presented, which were presented to me by the mainstream press, not conspiracy "theorists". Instead, you referred to the brother in the hospital who is still alive which doesn't touch on the issue of why this Ibragim fellow was murdered in his own home without a warrant for his arrest.

I concocted none of these extraordinary events, but am pointing them out for their deviation from the accepted historical norms in American law enforcement.

Again, your "Dead Men Don't Get Trials"...

...statement regarding your government conspiracy belief (or "suspicion" or whatever you want to call it) is negated by the fact that the major suspect in the Boston bombings is alive and was purposely kept alive and will indeed go to trial. Obviously, the facts about this fellow will come out at trial as well.

Sorry but, try as you might, there's no conspiracy here.

Again, I'm talking about Ingrahim

who lived in Florida, not Boston and was suspected on a totally different suspicion - a 2011 triple homicide. You're the one connecting the two, not me.

Because one guy is still alive negates nothing.

The guy in Florida was shot in his own home by government officials.

You seem really hung up on the conspiracy word -all I know is that he didn't have a warrant and was shot dead. That's not conspiracy -that's corruption/major miscarriage of justice/not the American way.

sheesh.

And no, Ingrahim is not getting a trial because he's six feet under.

What part of...

..."friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev" is so unclear to you that you now do not connect the two? He was a friend of one of the Boston bombers; therefore, your saying there's no connection is being disingenuous.

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I, for one, do agree that stinks like tons of rotting fish,

I, for one, do agree that stinks like tons of rotting fish, and that'd be from just a few feet away.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Now You're Doing It

You criticized me for jumping to conclusions. Now you're doing it. Your phrasing shows you to be just as convinced there is no "conspiracy" (a word I'm using out of laziness) as I was that there was one.

Down-voting this post of yours.

You're right

I could never be accepted as a juror in that case because I'm convinced the suspects are guilty as sin.

And why are you so convinced that the suspects are guilty as sin

and so certain that the FBI is not guilty of anything sinful?

Who said the FBI isn't guilty of anything sinful?

I just don't believe the FBI (government) is guilty of EVERYTHING sinful.

For one, innocent people don't do what those two did after they knew the police were after them.