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How do Secret Societies maintain their secrets and their power?

Many people here talk about the Illuminati/NWO/Knights Templar/Freemasons etc. so I wanted to figure out how these organizations would be able to carry out certain actions such as false flag events or big lies in the real world and keep it a secret.

Conspiracy skeptics often ask how could anyone keep these false flag events a secret? I know some of the answers I've used are the 1) Manhatten project 2) the Big Lie theory or 3) the admission of McNamara that the Aug. 4th Gulf of Tonkin incident didn't happen.

However I think there is probably more to keeping secrets and that's what I wanted to get a better understanding of. I probably know less than 5% of what military intelligence does and most of that is kept secret for generations if not more and they are probably involved in most of these false flag operations. I also probably know less than 5% of what Secret Societies do and their secrets are maintained for centuries. Secret Societies are what I wanted to focus on first. I've listened to Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon series and he has a lot of great info:

How do Secret Societies maintain their secrets and power? I've come up with some initial thoughts and if anyone wants to chime in that would be great.

1) Initiations: Many of these initiations revolve around imitating life & death experiences with people putting swords to your throat or putting you in a coffin. I think it's traumatizing and has a strong psychological effect on people. I know the idea of death/rebirth may have more spiritual meanings, but for practical purpose of maintaining secrets and power the initiation process serves that purpose well. It's also the shared experience with others who participate in the initiation that build loyalty. College fraternity hazings have similar purposes. Every initiate becomes part of a brotherhood.

2) 'The Power of Secrets': Keeping the initiates on a program of development to learn more about themselves is fine, but maintaining a 'secret knowledge' may also become the carrot on the stick for control. Those in power during ancient times used their knowledge of astronomy and predicting eclipses partly to gain power over the people. Many of those depending on the sun to grow food and survive would fear eclipses.

3) Perks of the Brotherhood: It seems people get material benefits as well. They might get more access to jobs and positions or fame & fortune. Just give someone the secret handshake and you're in.

What are the elements that allow Secret Societies to maintain loyalty and the secrets? How difficult is it to break from the brotherhood? What are the repercussions for sharing a secret? How powerful do you think Secret Societies are? There was an anti-Mason party around the time of America's founding. Anyways I wanted feedback about what you all thought about how Secret Societies maintain their secrets and power.... thanks

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I think it is 2 base factors,

I think it is 2 base factors, Influence of public opinion and levels of initiation.

1. Public Opinion: this is a powerful tool that keeps people in line. If you are a member of a secret society and try to get info out they will hammer you with rape allegations etc and the entire media machine will turn against you. Your original message will be drowned among the slander. That or you or a family member die in an “accident”.

2. Levels of initiation. Many secret societies are have degrees of membership in which only the higher degrees can know the secrets while the low level guys have no idea. This way, the organization can hide behind the benevolent work of the lower degrees while hiding the evil at the top. The Masons are good at this. Among the lower level initiates, the ones deemed to be trustworthy are brought to a higher degree in which they are given trivial secrets such as symbols and handshakes. Once they are known to be trusted with trivial secrets, they are brought up another level in which they learn more and more.

Unfortunately, many of these organizations are run by psychopaths and they know how to spot other psychopaths and groom them into positions of power.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.


I was just about to post about levels of initiation. The bigger the secret, the higher level you must be to know it. There is also compartmentalized knowledge where people may know parts of things, only enough to get something done, but don't know the whole story.

I learned that reading the Da Vinci Code.

Pyramid Power......

It's done thru the "Open Conspiracy," The Open Conspiracy is named such because much of the conspiracy is flat-out in the open.

TPTSB* give hints as to it's operation as depicted in the pyramid on the dollar bill.

The top of the pyramid is the director from which all instruction flows down to the next level. With each rung going down on the pyramid some of the information is either deleted or modified to suit the occassion to fit the desired outcome.

For more info:

*The Powers That SHOULDN'T Be

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

The hardest thing for me to

The hardest thing for me to answer is "why". People can not fathom the reasoning behind the evil, because they can't relate to it. The average American is not interested in control and power and why someone would commit evil acts to acquire it.

the are not a "secret" at all

the are not a "secret" at all... they are just knowingly hidden from the MSM's reporting and shielded from legal prosecution.

If you have the heads of the media companies, government legal & regulatory positions, and major corporation board members all working a plan... then its very hard to get the truth out.

If corruption is exposed which jeopardizes their plan or they are trying to sell an unpopular idea...
this is how they do it.

step 1
Media doesn't report it.. but if it gets slightly out of hand on the ALT media then step 2

step 2
Use the media and legal system to demonize the opposition and simultaneously make sure the legal system doesn't prosecute anyone of importance and use the media to downplay those on the inside... this stops 99.9% of the NWO's problems but in case this still didn't calm the people or sell them a new idea(like the body scanners or guncontrol) then step 3

step 3
engineer a false flag event(or make use of a real event) utilizing the MSM, corporate advertising and the government to stir up a mob mentality which makes people irrational. I can think of only a few incident off the top of my head which have gone this far. pearl harbor, gulf of tonkin, 9/11

if all this fails then we have won... and I think we are VERY close now to outing the men behind the curtains.

The only thing left to do is to convince the average joe that the main stream media companies are just as corrupt as the government... and once people turn to the ALt media for the real news they will be outraged at what they see and take to the streets demanding these shadow figure's heads

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

I too asked this question once....

I figure I am a slightly intelligent guy and I like to listen to people that are as smart or smarter than me..:-)

Title: 211 - The Secret Behind Secret Societies

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Much has been written on secret societies and there are numerous speculations as to which powers control them. The nature of secrecy is such that the real power behind the power should remain exactly that-Secret. In this lecture, clear evidence is provided to show who really stands behind the throne of Earthly power.


Professor Walter Veith obtained his doctorate in zoology from the University of Cape Town in 1979. He believes that the theory of evolution does not provide a plausible explanation of our origins, and that the geological and paleontological data do not support evolution over long periods of time, but rather imply catastrophism, which is consistent with the Genesis account. He lectures internationally on this topic and has undertaken extensive tours to Europe, Africa, and North America.

Professor Veith's research field is nutritional physiology, concentrating on the effect of modern animal husbandry on the incidence of disease transferal to humans. This highly controversial topic is of vital significance in view of the increase in epidemics such as mad cow disease. His research concentrates on degenerative diseases caused by incorrect nutrition and particularly diseases such as osteoporosis, arthritis, and cancer. Professor Veith is also concerned about the impact of antibiotic use in producing a new breed of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, which are causing food poisoning epidemics around the world.

Professor Veith and his team have presented numerous lectures on the topic. Their research has been presented at international conferences on nutrition and disease, and their findings have proved that diet has a direct impact on numerous degenerative diseases.

Professor Veith is one of only five scientists in South Africa honored with the Royal Society London Grant for the Reconstruction and Development Program to establish a research climate in post-apartheid South Africa.

Professor Veith has written a number of books on the above topics:

Diet and Health presents the latest insights on health, including Professor Veith’s research. Diet and Health is published by the prestigious scientific publisher Stuttgart Scientific Publishers (Stuttgart Wissenschaftlicher Verlag), which publishes books for the medical profession and the pharmaceutical industry.

The Genesis Conflict is an eye-opening study of the evolutionary theory and the evidences of Creation found in the natural world and genetics. The Genesis Conflict is an excellent companion to Professor Veith's evolution DVDs.

Truth Matters - Escaping the Labyrinth of Error is a detailed study presenting Biblical answers to doctrinal questions such as the following:
Was Jesus the Messiah?
Where do the dead go when they die?
How will this world end?

The book also includes a discussion of the prophecies of the Bible and their interpretation. Truth Matters provides an authoritative study on the subjects presented by Professor Veith during his Bible seminars.

Professor Veith is also deeply interested in the ecological deterioration of our planet and is convinced that this state of affairs has been predicted in Biblical prophecy. He is an ardent student of Biblical prophecy and trusts the veracity of the Bible, which he believes is proved by the science of archaeology as well as the fulfilment of numerous prophecies found in the Bible. He believes that the Bible has a message for modern humanity. Professor Veith's many lectures on all of his topics are available on video, and viewers find them unique, eye-opening, and controversial.

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And how about secret societies HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT? "Maybe?"

And how about secret societies maintaining their power HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT?

Meet "The Modern Humanitarians" :


Learn about "The Modern Banking System" (in its eastern flavor, anyway; western flavor still being tasted in vast quantities since 1913...) :


Meet "The Godfather Board" :


Meet "The Modern Regulators" :



Etc, etc.

"Maybe?" Just wondering...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

why do the 99% continue to the slaughter....

...and not rebel against the 1% that control them?

First thing that comes to my head

Is scientology's methods. It is a certainty that those in secret societies (or otherwise conspicuous groups) confide in one another, help each other. These things could be illegal, or in some way harmful to their wealth/reputation. Once you're in and you've shared your secrets or asked a favor of unmentionable proportions, you're trapped. You could even be forced to do this once initiated to fashion a metaphorical noose around your neck.

One of the most thorough, and exhaustive

Video series's I've ever come across is at AmazingDiscoveries.com. The series is entitled " total onslaught ", 50 one hour lectures, from a x-atheist Dr. of Zoology, x- University professor, who did an abrupt 180 and is now a Christian. Dr. Walter Veith is his name.
His series is Christian because he is, but is so complete, he uses ONLY quotes from those who he exposes to expose themselves, so the lectures are not sermons even the one where he talks biblical subjects, the delivery is pure education. And he is 100% verifiable in that when one checks to see if he's just a bigot, or lying by doing checks on the quotes on the web, he hasn't been wrong as far as I've been able to verify and I checked because I want the truth and ONLY the truth. He covers the entire gammet, from Illuminati, Masons, Jesuits, Knights of this and that other, and even things I would never have though of as being remotely connected....he ties it all up in one very complete package. AND ALL 50 are viewable ONLINE, free.

I hope this will help, what have you got to lose?

God Bless

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

I've seen much of the Walter Veith

And that's some good stuff there.

Yuri Bezmenov also good on aspects of what you are investigating.

I think that we over-romanticize it, to some degree, and that doesn't help.

And we've gotten scientific about perception control, for example.

We are likely mistaken to concentrate too hard on organizations we know about, and are therefore more susceptible to the ad-hoc conspiracies which may have no real tie to any particular known group.

In that scenario, the supposed secret societies act as cover.

Adam Curtis' documentaries have done a nice cataloging of various mind-control programs over the years practiced mainly by governments.

And the site Vigilant Citizen has some straight reporting on trauma-based and monarch mind control and the like. The dark stuff is full-tilt scientific these days, and fully in our faces.

I think much of the mind control stuff is secret because it's dangerous. But also, most of the methods are much less effective if the target is aware of what's going on.


Interesting stuff, and thanks BTW

I'll bookmark your comment to research later the stuff, like mind control that works into my present study on " alpha mind states" that are present when interacting with modern entertainments Tv, music, radio, etc.
Science has long known ( as have advertisers and Governments ) that when we enter into an " alpha " state our minds are very susceptible to subconscious suggestions. The brain it seems automatically " switches " into the " alpha " durning such mundane activities as watching your favorite TV program, listening to our favorite band, etc, producing endorphins that interact in our brain much in the same fashion as highly potent drugs do, like heroin, and we develope addictions to these " entertainments " because they are producing " pleasure ".
Needless to say I no longer injest TV, music, radio or anything else that might put forth any message I do not want in my mind. If its mainstream and commercialized, I put nothing of it into my mind.
Am I immune, doubtful, but I am far less susceptible than I was. Is it necessary to stop doing these things to safeguard oneself? I dont have a definitive answer upon this yet, but in my book better safer than sorrier at least until I've researched it enough to understand not only the threat, and cause, but if possible the remedy.
The more I study on the subject the more I'm convinced that this Government will use this to their advantage and our detriment without hesitations.

God Bless

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Sounds interesting but the url doesn't seem to work.


"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


Half asleep and permanently brain dead....

Good night.
God Bless

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington