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Cold Fusion Actually Independently Reviewed

Saw this article and thought it was pretty cool. I'm not a cold fusion or power buff, but I know some of you on here are. If this gets produced and licensed or whatever I'd be a happy guy.

Check it out:

Against all probability, a device that purports to use cold fusion to generate vast amounts of power has been verified by a panel of independent scientists. The research paper, which hasn’t yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion, and its potency: The cold fusion device being tested has roughly 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline. Even allowing for a massively conservative margin of error, the scientists say that the cold fusion device they tested is 10 times more powerful than gasoline — which is currently the best fuel readily available to mankind.

The device being tested, which is called the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat for short), was created by Andrea Rossi. Rossi has been claiming for the past two years that he had finally cracked cold fusion, but much to the chagrin of the scientific community he hasn’t allowed anyone to independently analyze the device — until now. While it sounds like the scientists had a fairly free rein while testing the E-Cat, we should stress that they still don’t know exactly what’s going on inside the sealed steel cylinder reactor. Still, the seven scientists, all from good European universities, obviously felt confident enough with their findings to publish the research paper...

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/156393-cold-fusion-reacto...

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I have been paying attention

I have been paying attention to this for the last couple years. So far, I have yet to see definitive negative results that it doesnt work. On the other hand, what positives come out arnt very many because hes so darn secretive about it. It certainly isnt a get rich quick scam though.
This news here is probably the best thing I have seen regarding it. I am waiting more info before I decide anything, but I am really starting to lean positive that this may very well be the real thing.

The way he has gone about this is very secretive and hes certainly taking his time on it. If you take in to account he might think that bad things might happen to him and his work if he tries going full force ahead with this, than it does start to make sense why hes done it the way he did. Eitherway, we will see at some point if this is true or not. I really do hope it is.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

I've half followed Rossi for

I've half followed Rossi for about 2 years now. It's real hard to judge his project, this test was supposed to be the one.

Apparently he's got a very large plant up and running for a customer in USA? Hard to tell.

bigmikedude's picture

Enter Big Black Semi Truck

with men in black suits and sunglasses. Exit black truck with all prototypes, references, and plans for device into obscurity for eternity.

really?

when did that happen?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

bigmikedude's picture

Well, according to popular legend

It supposedly happened to Nikola Tesla.

But when I'm only being sarcastic, I tend not to give too much of a crap about the validity of the actual facts.

Can't some of you people see the look on my text when I'm talking? <--- Lol Sheeze...

Never.

Looks like the "device" isn't

Looks like the "device" isn't as solid as reported:

"Rossi and Focardi say the device works by infusing heated hydrogen into nickel, transmuting it into copper and producing heat.[9][10] An international patent application[1] has received an unfavorable international preliminary report on patentability because it seemed to "offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories" and to overcome this problem the application should have contained either experimental evidence or a firm theoretical basis in current scientific theories.[11]
The device was demonstrated to an invited audience several times, and commented on by various academics and others, but was not independently tested. In October 2011 Mark Gibbs of Forbes observed: "until a verifiably objective analysis is conducted by an independent third party that confirms the results match the claims there's no real news".[12] In May 2013 he responded to a paper by scientists from Italian and Swedish Universities: "But much to my ... surprise, a report by credible, independent third parties is exactly what we got."[13]
Professor Ugo Bardi of the University of Florence, noting contradictory claims made by Rossi regarding the emission or non-emission of gamma radiation, the location of a supposed factory – in Florida, or not in the United States at all – and the fact that some of his supporters are apparently deserting him, said "...the E-Cat has reached the end of the line. It still maintains some faithful supporters, but, most likely, it will soon fade away in the darkness of pathological science, where it belongs".[14]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

Hmmm

I'm not sure. Most of that article seems to have been written before the paper came out. There are a few notes about the May article, but not a ton. I'm curious to see how it goes forward.

I doubt it's totally 100% solid or anything, but even good progress forward and the fact that it's doing better than gasoline is intriguing to me.

Bottom line - It's more progress and a better situation than I've seen previously and in most other cases. Independent analysis is a good thing, unless he just managed to scam them all.

Eric Hoffer

I have yet see a single

I have yet see a single breakthrough "overunity" device work as claimed. If someone says they have figured out a workaround for generally accepted physics, hold onto your wallet and run away.

You might want to rephrase that to "I have yet to see..."

a single breakthrough 'overunity' device come to market". It is sort of like the arguments against "perpetual motion," when scientists frequently overlook planetary rotation or "virtual particles" which quantum physic postulates, with a great deal of scientific proof. If the fabric of space-time is,indeed energy (Einstein's E=MC2), a device capable of efficiently extracting that energy would, indeed be a "perpetual motion" device.

However, I'm with you. Until someone actually "brings one to market," I'm holding onto my wallet.

Well, there is conventional

Well, there is conventional fusion for which over unity results are theorized and predicted.

Zero point energy has been proven to exist (came to know about it from a Jeff Loomis album =)) and is in theory limitless.

"In quantum theory,

"In quantum theory, zero-point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go.[14] Thus, none of this energy can be withdrawn without altering the system to a different form in which the system has a lower zero-point energy.

Current claims to zero-point-energy-based power generation systems are in contradiction with known physics laws and have the status of pseudoscience.[14]"

Better double-check Jeff Loomis' credentials. I think people who don't understand the science tend to romanticize these things because of how they sound, rather than pay attention to the details.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

I was referring specifically

I was referring specifically of proof of its existence as shown by the Casimir effect. In that experiment it did do mechanical work so that would seem to contradict the above.

Though, if by definition it is the lowest possible energy then trivially it would seem impossible to extract any more energy from that system. I guess I need to look at it a little more.

Again, I never disputed that any CURRENT claims are pseudoscience. I wholeheartedly agree.

Jeff Loomis is just a guitarist =D Though an incredible one. Listen to 'Miles of Machines', it'll blow you away completely. Zero Point Energy is the name of that album.

Well I don't know how

Well I don't know how independent it is considering two of the scientists have worked with him recently...

Well, I'll hope for the best, but I'm still a little jaded from the last 'sun in a jar' headlines...