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Ron Paul loses both domain disputes over RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org

Ron Paul lost his bid to take control of the RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org domain names. In the case of RonPaul.com the panel ruled that Ron Paul did not prove the current owners lack rights or legitimate interest in the domain. In the case of RonPaul.org, the panel harshly rebuked Dr. Paul's claim, finding that he engaged in reverse domain hijacking.

Reverse domain hijacking occurs where a trademark owner attempts to secure a domain name by making false cybersquatting claims against a domain name’s rightful owner. UDRP rules define reverse domain name hijacking as the filing of a complaint in bad faith, resulting in the abuse of the UDRP administrative process.

The decision is worth reading.

According to the decision, the criteria that must be met for the Complainant to win the domain from the Respondent are:

1. the Domain Name registered by Respondent is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which Complainant has rights;

2. Respondent has no rights to or legitimate interests in respect of the Domain Name; and

3. Respondent has registered and is using the Domain Name in bad faith.

The panel decided that it would not rule one way or the other on (1).

All the Respondent needed to do is show *any* legitimate right or interest in respect of the domain name OR that the domain name was registered in good faith.

The panel accepted the argument that because the site was a legitimate fan site, the criteria of legitimate interest is met. The site has disclaimers on it clearly stating it isn't Ron Paul's official web site, and the panel concludes that the content of the site falls under Fair Use anyway. The fact that the Respondent offered to give Ron Paul the RonPaul.org domain was icing on the cake.

Personally, I hope RonPaul.org is still offered for free.

The decision:

Some commentary:


Just so all of you are clear, ownership of a trademark, even if the trademark is registered and beyond dispute, does NOT give the trademark owner the right to "exact_trademark_match.COM". The gTLD registries operate on a first come, first served basis. UDRP was a massive shift of policy in favor of trademark owners as it provides reasonable grounds for breaking the first come, first served rule.

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ron paul deserved to lose

ron paul deserved to lose this


Sure did

unfortunately made himself look like a greedy fool to the masses..dumb move.

He didn't offer to give it away you liar

He asked to sell it

He offered the Ron Paul.org

site for free.

Feel bad for RP

I guess he was a victim of his own success in this case.

Hopefully RP can make another one up.

The commercial arena can be a cruel place at times.



Snooze you LOSE.

Ron Paul supporters WORKED HARD, went broke, and LOST LOST LOST.

I'm happy to see hard working, smart, Ron Paul supporters WIN.

There are MANY Ron Paul's in the USA.

Free market does not mean FREE. To me, had Ron Paul won it would have been opportunistic theft.

Congratulations to RonPaul.com

There not Ron Paul

There not Ron Paul supporters, do you know who they are? Yes there are many Ron Paul's, which Ron Paul is there website about? Its not free market its theft of Ron Paul on the internet

The proof says otherwise

They are not Ron Paul worshipers. GOOD FOR THEM!

Ron Paul could have offered GOLD and taught us how to fullfill his message of GOLD.. instead, he was a hypocrite and took the guys to INTERNATIONAL COURT TO EMPLOY GOVERNMENT FORCE TO STEAL THEIR PROPERTY.

What I learned, Ron Paul is FOS when it comes to his message of GOLD and freedom from government force.

I won't be fooled by this message again, and furthermore.. I FULLY believe his presidential runs were a pre-curser to help Rand, not to win. He LIED when he said he was in this to win.

I just think it's sad that it

I just think it's sad that it even went this far.

If I owned this sight and Ron Paul asked me for the domain name, I would have proudly and happily have handed it over. I would feel shameful to continue to hold the domain name and make money off his good name against his own will.

This should have been settled outside the authorities. The constitution was designed for a moral society. Sometimes I wonder if as a population, are we even worthy? : |

Yes, I agree, it's sad RP chose to use the courts

I think it's sad, that RP didn't make a reasonable offer for a PRODUCT that benefited him FOR FREE for years, and expected those who WORKED HARD FOR HIM, to hand it over because it had his name. There are like 14 Ron Paul's in the USA.

As far as I'm concerned, HIS STAFF let him down and he let himself down by not creating the site.

Ron Paul profitted off RonPaul.com. He didn't pay them.

I agree, it would have been AWESOME if Ron Paul had taken this as an opportunity to show his supporters how to barter, or employ the FREE MARKET in IPs.. instead, he chose to go to court. I have read reams about how BAD the Ron Paul.com people are.. and as a CAPITALIST, I don't but that.

YES, WE ARE WORTHY and that's MY POINT. This rEVOLution/Liberty Movement has been inudated with HARD WORKING supporters who gave everything!!!! We always said THIS IS BIGGER THAN RON PAUL. IT IS!!

What did we get? I got to sign a flippin oath to the GOP and bound to Robamey. Think that was a victory? I got to eat ramen and fight newspaper editors and sit with Neocons.. and it cost a lot. Yeah, I appreciate the campaign writing me a THANK YOU. It's the most expensive THANK you I've ever bought.

I'm hapopy to see Ron Paul supporters win something in all this.

We need to be supportive of each other.. WE ARE THE FUTURE.

So, think Ron Paul is still interested and will make a decent offer? I HOPE SO.

Are you serious?

I don't want to be compensated for all the volunteer work I've done in 2008 and 2012 campaign. I did it from the heart. However, I go to my job and expect the pay check.

The folks at Ronpaul.com profited. I don't even know what they offered that the campaign or other websites failed to offer? Ron Paul resorted to the authorities because they wouldn't offer the URL to him. Ron Paul doesn't need their PRODUCT. You don't think Ron Paul can build up ronpaul.com from scratch far bigger than those guys ever could? By now you can appreciate that Ron Paul's supporter list will dwarf any list ronpaul.com folks could ever compile.

I would have absolutely handed over the website to Ron Paul if he asked me for it. The campaign is long over; what are those people still doing with it?

I agree, this movement is far greater than Ron Paul and the owners of ronpaul.com need to get over it and move on with their lives. What kind of fan site creates a problem for the very person they revere?

I believe the free markets will take care of this and web traffic to ronpaul.com will die out over the future months.


and I LOVE people who earn PROFITS. PROFITS make the world go round, free us from being slaves, as they afford us to rise above.

I too believe free markets could handle this and why I say Ron Paul could have, should have, taught us all a lesson in GOLD and FREE TRADE, instead, Ron Paul went to the international courts to employ FORCE because it's his name. HYPOCRITICAL! SHAME ON RON PAUL!

His name is mud with me on this. So what if the traffic on Ron Paul.com dies. I'm into Rand now.

Thank you Ron Paul for giving me Rand.

me too

I believe Ron Paul will become irrelevant which is puzzling that those folks would hold onto that URL so possessively. SHAME ON THEM for claiming to be fans and not helping Ron Paul when he asked...very sad. SHAME ON THEM for compelling Ron Paul to have to use the courts and not being more cooperative (and claiming to be fans of Ron Paul!!!).

But it's not about Ron Paul anymore so I'm not sure what they're going to get out of that URL. They're just holding it hostage as it will no longer be profitable for them. Like you said, it's all about Rand Paul 2016 : )

Say what?

I'm puzzled by this idea of entitlement based on a name many other people own because their mothers gave it to them.

I'm puzzled by the idea that someone is not a fan because they don't GIFT someone with their labor and possessions.

You mean to tell me that if I am a fan of purplefetus, who has a campaign staff being paid MILLIONS of dollars, and I buy a car, modify it, put it in car shows, which is costing me, and purplefetus KNOWS all about what I am doing because I am promoting purplefetus' message, and purplefetus does nothing about it, that when purplefetus decides that purplefetus wants the car I bought, I built, I promoted, which helped purplefetus, I should give purplefetus the car on demand because purplefetus wants it?

Purplefetus paid a staff millions... seems to me, while I may be a fan of purplefetus, purplefetus sees me as a chump, has NO appreciation for what I did, wants to say I'm worthless.. because I want to get SOME of the money I invested returned.

WTF does purplefetus think he is? Oh.. purplefetus is going to show me.. take me to international court because purplefetus' message is LEAVE IT TO THE STATES TO DECIDE, FREE MARKET, DOWN WITH UN, DOWN WITH GOVERNMENT FORCE.

I don't think ronpaul.com or ronpal.org are irrelevant.. they both stand to prove RPs message was pie in the sky.

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?

I don't mean to tell you anything that you mentioned above...Don't know where you got the car stuff from--don't see the relevance either.

But those guys at ronpaul.com must REALLY be fans of Ron Paul. I know if I had that website and Ron Paul wanted it, I'd give it to him in a heartbeat. Why? Because I know he could further the movement of freedom & liberty better than I could using that URL. That's all.

It's pathetic that those "fans" couldn't find mutual agreement with the same person of whom they are a fan. Resolution was determined by the courts--very sad. Makes you wonder if they're really fans.
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With the conclusion of Ron Paul 2012 Campaign and his retirement from Congress, he doesn't get many interviews anymore and he's out of the public light. As Ron Paul's google queries will die out so will traffic to ronpaul.com. Personally, I've been following Ron Paul since 2007 and I never visited ronpaul.com until this controversy. I think website traffic will likely drop rather than increase because Nystrom and many others have put up superior sites drawing in people post-campaign. That's why I think this whole thing is really petty on the part of the ronpaul.com owners. They'll be left with an empty, unprofitable shell for a URL. That's how this will play out over the months & yrs, IMO.

double post


He always said it was bigger than himself, as well

I have real mixed feelings about this case...on the one side you have the time and effort they put into the site, including the foresight to buy the domain name early, as fans. OTOH, if it really was intended to honor him, it might have been better not to let things go this far, and just hand it over. I don't know what relationship, if any, the owners actually have with Ron Paul, but I sure wish this had been handled some other way. It only makes both sides look bad, IMHO.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I don't have any mixed feeling

The site was not intended to honor him. The site was EMPLOYED to PROMOTE HIS MESSAGE.

I don't think ronpaul.com looks bad at all. I am proud of them for standing for THEIR EFFORT. That effort was WORTH something, not an international law suit to employ FORCE.

Ron Paul made a HUGE wopper mistake here. He should have honored himself and walked his talk. He tells us about GOLD.. well go for it RP! Instead he takes them to international courts to FORCE them out of their property because it has his name? PPpppppppffft

I'm actually ashamed of Ron Paul on this issue. He made his own message "pie in the sky" by taking these guys to court.

In spite of the fact you disagree with me on this..

I voted you up. Why? Because I believe you can disagree with me on this and have logical, valid reasons for the disagreement. I read through your comments, and saw both the logic and emotion behind what you said. I was deeply disappointed by both how the campaign handled the delegate issue and the way the delegates were NOT respected nor their rights considered. I do also see your point concerning Ron Paul's message, and the purpose for the website. I confess that I see a similar, disturbing trend with some of the projects Ron Paul becomes involved with, including the homeschool curriculum and Campaign for Liberty. (The most glaring for me is the choice of Gary North, a Christian Reconstructionist, for the theology courses. Personally, James Rutz or Tom Mullen would have been my choice, either of them has a much clearer view of what Christian Liberty is than North does.) As for C4L, we don't even have a link here at DP for C4L, and I completely understand why, after visiting the site.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The market should handle these types of issues...

This worked out as it should have.


I think once people see what is happening, they will realize that ronpaul.com is really NOT a fan site. They just want to profit off his name.

I foresee web traffic dying out to ronpaul.com. I never used that site anyways. I noticed Nystrom provided a similar better service.

Every time I see this dispute

Every time I see this dispute I think of Nissan.com. I wish it were so easily dismissed in the little guy's favor in that case as it was here. Alas, no such luck. To wit, see the litigious timeline here: http://www.digest.com/Big_Story.php

Nissan.com is still in the little guy's hands (for now), but he's basically been dragged into bankruptcy via litigation.

This case inspires anger

Nissan had a clear interest and prior use. In a free market, it should not be possible to win by attrition using trench warfare with armies of lawyers. The winner should be decided by logic, not power.

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I remember etoy.com. That

I remember etoy.com. That really pissed me off.

Seems a shame a man

can not even have claim to his own name.

What else is left?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

He does

The .COM and .ORG namespaces aren't part of his name. He has no legitimate claim. If you read the decision I believe you will see that the arguments of the current owner are overwhelmingly better.

just my two cents

If I had a website that latched onto someone's name like that, someone whom I respected and who did so much for our country, I would gladly grant him the website that was dedicated to him. Why dedicate a website to Ron Paul, using his name, if you can't even release it to him. I wouldn't compensate them either, the site sucks. Regardless, I have zero respect for the people using his name, zero. Yeah, they can obviously keep it, but they look like @sses in the longrun more power to 'em

I would too

But I'm not them and it's their domain. I never visit the site either.

How can it be they are using

How can it be they are using Ron Paul's likeness

That's Fair Use

There's nothing wrong with using someone's likeness.

If you or I were public figures it's fair game to use our pictures on web sites talking about us. There may be copyright issues with a particular photo but that's a different issue.