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iPetititons.com: I do NOT support Adam Kokesh's armed march in DC

The Petition (currently 925 signatures)

Whereas the 2nd Amendment recognizes the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and whereas the right to keep and bear arms need not be demonstrated, and whereas Adam Kokesh's planned armed march into Washington DC is an unnecessary and dangerous provocation that may be used to demonize guns and gun owners, the undersigned petitioners, while supporting the right to keep and bear arms, state their opposition to Adam Kokesh's planned armed march into Washington DC on July 4th, 2013.
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Looks like dissent will not be tolerated on the Daily Kokesh.

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RON PAUL 2012

egapele's picture

Daily Kokesh - lol

true

Sometimes things get so rediculous

pointing out the obvious becomes humorous

Thanks!

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RON PAUL 2012

Watershed

Disregard the shills and the born again slaves that would prefer it did not go ahead.

Jones has merely done what he always must do.
Separate his show from anything that might be considered violent.
I think he is for it otherwise, but cannot say so.

The march may well become a watershed moment.
It really puts it to the establishment.

And it could go wildly wrong for the establishment.

I do wonder how in the worst case, police shooting peaceful veterans would light the wildfires within the public's mind and be the butterfly wing that turned the tide.

SteveMT's picture

The march may indeed be a watershed moment,...

but for the wrong reasons. Is this march going to be as a provocation on the world's stage? If this march occurs, the government is not about to let this event go to waste without using it to their advantage.

people who dont support adam

people who dont support adam are just a bunch of johnny come lately type. After he makes a difference and a bit of change they will then support it

Not quite

Almost six years actively reading/posting here. I hope they put Adam back in jail so he has time to podcast his "Mein Kampf" to the world.

I really hope you or anyone supporting this guy don't find yourself in a kill box anytime soon.

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RON PAUL 2012

You will end up in a killbox

You will end up in a killbox yourself, you lack the courage to not end up in one.

SteveMT's picture

Herd mentality for something that sounds good is not good enough

Choose your battles well, especially with those involving your life.

until you come up with a

until you come up with a better way to help my freedoms come back shut up. What are you going to do instead since his march is a bad idea? You are not going to do a damn thing but sit on the internet and maybe canvas during election time, and guess what...that aint going to do jack shit for our freedoms. 6 years here huh? and with all the great ideas and rallies and protest that you put together has made us more free today than we were 6 years ago? And since Adam has such a "bad idea" whats your plan for making americans more free in the next 6 years? Keep doing what you've been doing? I havent seen a lick of difference in the past 45 years its only gone off the cliff, so Im sorry "your" methods aren't working, and just like how the government does the same thing over and over again expecting different results thats exactly what everyone here does, and exactly what your suggesting we do. Insane

Ok hothead follow Kokesh

At least he's "doing something", right?

We just won a major victory in the 1st round of what may be a very well protracted fight in support of keeping the 2A "legal". Obama's anti-gun agenda got shot down in flames and Sheriffs in NY and CO States are taking their pro-2A case to their capitols. CO is even mounting a recall campaign against the democrats that voted for it. We are winning. Marching on DC with loaded long guns could very well erase those hard won gains.

It's happening, but I guess it's not enough since your whiskey muscles are twitching. Go put on some boxing gloves and hit a heavy bag for a few minutes. There is a long way to go, and there are no shortcuts through DC on July 4th.

And you can go shut yourself up, but just don't do it on a bridge between DC and Alexandria on the business end of some LEO's shotgun.

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RON PAUL 2012

gun laws are stricter than

gun laws are stricter than they were in the past, they will be stricter a year from now, we are not winning anything

ConstitutionHugger's picture

This is like so totally dumb, I'm sure.

A petition to get a free person to stop doing something? You can't do that. Why don't you get the police to kidnap him and put him in a cage to stop him. Oh wait, they already tried that. How can someone who understands zip about liberty even know about the Daily Paul?

It's a damn good thing ...

... You people were not at the 2nd continental congress we would still be singing god save the king or queen

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

Have another shot

If the Founding Fathers acted anything like Kokesh or his angry sheeple we'd all be singing that song for sure.

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RON PAUL 2012

"may be used" against us.

If it's not wrong but has the ability to "be used" to look wrong, then don't you think THAT is the area you should be focusing on? Otherwise, what's to stop them from thwarting all attempts at rightness simply by first declaring them wrong? Your logic puts you in a perpetual circle of negative reactiveness. Get it?

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Its completely

Its completely understandable.

Cowards do not wish to be cowards.

So for their own self esteem, they rationalize why they must not be brave.

On youtube

I commented on one of Alex Jones's videos to express what a bad idea a carried march would be. However, I was immediately pursued by someone saying things like "1776 will commence" "Your username has "Codename" in it, what is it? Your CIA codename? BTW we will destroy the NWO"

utterly insane, I put money on that many like him will be supportive of Adam Kokesh's rash decision to march.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

"the right to keep and bear arms need not be demonstrated"

That says it all. Anyone who makes such a statement has already decided that there is no right to keep and bear arms.

SteveMT's picture

The right to keep and bear arms is unalienable.

Why demonstrate something that is already ours? What is being planed could get a lot of people killed unnecessarily.

Why?

Why call a right "yours" or "unalienable" when you can't exercise that right. That is senseless doublespeak.

You mean "planned" of course. What has been planed is your rights. They have been smoothly chipped off of your person.

What Adam is planning is to exercise his rights. If they are unalienable and already his, as you suggest, then nobody should get killed. Thus, if you really believe what you are saying, you should be confident that he should be able to exercise them.

Some people would rather be killed than have their rights denied. Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty, or give me death." Adam is saying the same thing, and I absolutely respect him for it.

But someone who says, "I have a right; it's unalienable, but I'm afraid to exercise it," doesn't make any sense to me.

SteveMT's picture

Why wait for July 4th to do this?

Individual rights don't need to be announced and organized. People can go through D.C. now with an exposed sidearm or a slung rifle as individuals. They don't need to wait for an Adam Kokesk or anyone else to goad them into this activity. A large enough group of armed people can also be called an army, a potentially rebellious army. Kokesk is no longer calling this "a demonstration" as such. He is now calling it "a revolution."
http://www.infowars.com/adam-kokesh-calls-for-new-american-r...
The stage is being set for a potential disaster if either something outright goes wrong or something is setup to purposefully happen to initiate violence.

Good point.

I think you have a valid point here. Any individual should be able to walk through D.C. bearing a firearm at any time. That would be the situation if the right to keep and bear arms was not being violated.

The outcome of such action would, I think, be predictable. That person would be arrested, and you would hear as much from/about them as you hear from Sheaffer Cox. I would respect such a person also, as I respect Sheaffer Cox, but I can't say such an action would be very profitable. I would view the action as, perhaps, an error in judgement/strategy/tactics. While I sympathize with what such a person is trying to do, I'm not sure if such actions are the path to significant change in a positive direction.

Let's say, on the other hand, that Kokesh gets 1000 people to march with him. At the least, it's harder for those who violate the right to bear arms to sweep their tyrannical actions under the rug. Let's say you're right, and it somehow comes down to shots fired---unlikely, but let's assume that's the way it goes down. Then the violation of rights and tyranny we're suffering is much harder to hide. Will that be enough to get people to wake up? I don't know, but it certainly seems like a more hopeful plan on the face of it.

July 4th is also significant, at least nominally, to some who are ignoring the fact that the right to keep and bear arms is being violated. I think the 4th may be chosen for maximum effect to bring the reality of our situation to their attention.

If you think it's going to come down to shooting, I can see how you would think it's risky and such. But that's the risk those who are marching have decided to take. I can't see much to criticize.

Here's something I don't understand: You seem quite bothered by the notion of "rebellion." Do you really think any of our rights are going to be respected without rebellion against their violation?

From my point of view, rebellion is a given. Good questions are: What form should that rebellion take, and how can we be most effective? I can follow the idea that maybe Kokesh has not chosen an optimal strategy. But to say that we shouldn't rebel at all is to admit defeat. To hold such a position is to accept the premise that these rights are not really worth having, and we should just accept tyranny. At least that's the way it seems to me.

SteveMT's picture

There are more productive ways of rebelling than this, IMO.

As I said before, this march/demonstration/rebellion may get a lot of people killed needlessly. This is like forcing a confrontation with the government, but in this case in their own backyard. Kokesh has announced this march to the world, and the government has over a month to come up with a plan to undermine and sabotage this event with either an agent provocateur from within or a sniper from without. It wouldn't take much to start some shooting. My point is why knowingly walk right into an obvious situation fraught with danger. I would personally prefer to buy another weapon or more ammo with travel costs to the march.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

I believe that Jefferson was talking about different circumstances than an armed march on Washington, D.C. I appreciate the points that you have raised and people should do what they think is right of course. This petition was for providing an alternative point of view about this event. People have already decided what they are going to do from the vote count.

Advance! Don't Retreat!

You are so right Farmer. So think it's appropriate to re post this.

I got so frustrated, I just had to write this rant!

As an old military man, I couldn't help but wonder when people would realize the futility of just talking themselves to death. I have never seen a war won going backwards!

1.) Let's see: back in about 1871 the USA was made into corporation, therefore the constitution was made null and void...don't believe me, go research.

Within the above-referenced private jurisdiction of the International Bankers, the private and foreign owned "Congress" formed a corporation, commercial agency, and Government for the "District of Columbia" on February 21, 1871, Chapter 62, 16 Stat. 419. This corporation was reorganized June 11, 1878, Chapter 180, 20 Stat. 102, and re-named "United States Government." This corporation privately trade marked the names: "United States," "U.S.," "US," "U.S.A.," "USA" and "America."

2.) 1933 congress made a law, classing all citizen's as "ENEMY COMBATANT'S"

3.) For the last two decade we has seen an increase in police powers and laws. They acquired superior firepower and we did nothing!
4.) The battle for more and more anti-gun laws recently. They lost that battle, but we lost the war. Still there are 20,000 gun laws on the books....Unbelievable!
We are trying to hold on to the 2nd amendment...What for? If we are not operating under the supreme LAW of the land. And we are NOT using the 2nd amendment anyway! Why do you need your guns? What do I mean. Your enemy, the government through it's agencies and police forces are encroaching upon you everyday through their wicked evilness, armed to the teeth and we sit on our 2nd amendment! Don't believe me, try this. US Army- Government Internment/Settlement Operations Field Manual 3-39.40.

I'm sure you have all heard of this "An armed society is a polite society'.
The answer is very simple. Every time you go to a rally, meeting, go armed, just as they did in Boise, Idaho. You will be surprise how polite the police get. I have seen it happen and it works! Don't let a little Chinaman, holding back a brigade of tanks show us how it's done!

The Boston tragedy was a excellent example of how carefully laid out plans can be executed. The guv/police had a city of 11-12 million people locked down for a 100 miles, and the people love it. A classic "martial law' exercise success!

You WANT the 2nd amendment? Then damn well take it! After all it is yours..or is it?

Think David and Goliath! If you can't, then go back and sit on your defunct 2nd amendment, may the chains rest lightly on your body. May God bless and keep you.

I'm going to start an anti-petition petition

I will petition against this petition and we will petition for more petitions to be petitioned to stop future petitions from being made. And absolutely nothing will come of it.

While I'm 'iffy' on Adam, I support his general idea. People keep saying "the founders would be spinning in their graves if they saw what we put up with"...only to turn around and say "Oh, we're not there yet".

At best, we're faced with a government that is openly hostile toward a large and growing segment of the American public, not to mention just about everyone else in the world. Eventually, the rest of the world is going to get tired of the American people sitting on their hands while 'our' government continues to destroy everything and everyone it comes in contact with, and I doubt that'd be any less ugly.

edit: I just don't see anything wrong with an armed SECOND AMENDMENT protest; it is our right. Yeah, some "agent provocateur" could do something stupid, but that's like people worrying that a "terrorist" might be on their next flight. It's little more than fear-mongering and paranoia.

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Very compelling point(s).

I feel funny (spider sense / overactive imagination?) about the potential for a provocateur-incited "episode", but damn... I can't argue against what you have stated; on the contrary, I find myself in agreement.

So next phase....

Question / issue:
The point of political danger / risk exists where a saboteurial event occurs, and IF blame for this event is perceived by an overwhelming majority of citizens (no matter how sadly ill-informed / manipulated) to rest upon the marchers. How will this effect the liberty "movement"?

I know participants will be vigilant (and they damn well better), but what if "the set up" (provocateurial act / action) is somehow missed / not recorded / not outed / etc.? Then what? Is there the contingency plan for this scenario?

What would the Founders do?

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As to how a bad event that was blamed on the 'good guys' would affect the liberty movement s a whole...I can't give a definite, honest answer to that simply because I don't know. But I do have a fairly good idea of what will happen if we the people continue to be complacent and/or compliant.

Then again, there's the school of thought that there is no specific movement, that the 'liberty' movement is actually made up of Constitutionalists, Anarchists, Minarchists and big L Libertarians. So again, tough to say.

I'm not trying to downplay the possibility that the march could go horribly wrong, but at the same time, it could show the rest of the US just what the feds really think of we the people, once and for all. Perhaps that would finally 'wake up' mainstream America.

Yes it is a risky thing to do, but I also feel that *if* the marchers are vigilant enough, things should turn out okay. I'm not placing my faith in Adam, I'm placing my faith in my fellow Americans to remain ever vigilant.

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Right on. Thanks.

"...It could show the rest of the US just what the feds really think of we the people, once and for all. Perhaps that would finally 'wake up' mainstream America."

Right on. I suppose this would be the "best" worst-case scenario--if things become violent.

"I'm placing my faith in my fellow Americans to remain ever vigilant."

I'll do the same.

What would the Founders do?