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There Is Such a Thing as an Acceptable Loss of Life in a Free Society

There is no such thing as "Perfect Safety".

The Nanny State can't protect us from ourselves.

An Example of the Failed Nanny State and Solution;

Problem:
DUI's serve to destroy peoples lives and business activity with no demonstrated hazardous activity on the part of the driver most times.

Almost everyone who goes to a bar or restaurant drinks and drives. Welcome to the real world. If there is no evidence of impaired driving, then there is no reason to pull a driver over!

I've had many years to analyze the whole DUI scam. It's ruining many good peoples lives. What it boils down to is a Cat and Mouse Game between Civilians and Police.

I beat the DUI stop twice with their DUI test games. I have no DUI's.

That being said, I avoid going out after dark and spending my money at local businesses for fear of being targeted for a DUI. A business tax revenue loss. Too F-fing bad.

Solution:
There should be an "Impaired Vehicle Driving Evidence Act". This should be the criteria every law enforcement officer must adhere to before pulling over a suspected drunk driver. With no visual evidence of impaired driving to be presented in court of impaired driving against the driver, the judge and jury should throw out a drunk driving charge!

Every police car has a video camera that can contain video evidence of impaired driving. If such evidence of impaired driving does not exist, then there should be no prosecution of DUI in most situations.

In the future, government employees better have a dam good reason for pulling us over and not for revenue generation which is not acceptable, or there's gonna be hell to pay.

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This is not even a debate in my eyes.

The chemical composition of your blood or any other tissue should not be a crime nor make the penalty of a crime more severe.

An armed robbery is not punished differently depending on whether the perpetrator is drunk, stoned, high on caffeine, or sober. It is the same with rape or any other crime. Why is vehicular manslaughter treated differently? Or even worse, why is the victimless crime of swerving over the yellow line treated so harshly in these circumstances? In my opinion there is no crime until the rights of another are violated. The moment a drunk driver destroys another's property, he should be punished, just as a sleepy driver becomes a criminal at the same moment.

It has been argued against me that people "choose" to drink and drive. This is true, but they also choose to drive in different cognitive states, such as when sleepy, or sick, or angry, et cetera. Inevitably the blood composition is going to be different in each of these states.

It has also been argued against me that drinkers and drivers are knowingly increasing their "risk" of harming another. Since when did the government become involved in risk assessment? This is the duty of a individual and insurance companies. What other laws are based on risk? Should (just using an example) women be denied or punished more severely for gun crimes because they are statistically more likely to recklessly discharge the firearm? Should people of Asian heritage be denied vehicles over a certain weight by the government because they are more statistically more likely to crash them?

The whole concept of intoxicated driving is insane to me. Of course thinking about this issue rationally and objectively is offensively taboo, so we should all mindlessly accept the rulings of the authorities, grovel to their laws at their will, and stay perfectly still and quiet if they walk about behind us and undo their belt buckle.

I would say there is a NEED

for the NATURAL loss of life in a free society. Our whole society teeters on the fear of loss of life and if that fear were ever to disappear then so would the power that people have over us.

True freedom will never come to those who fear death in this world.

Sometimes the Tree of Liberty

Sometimes the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

In a truly free society

Acceptable loss of life dont exsist. If they are free no one can make such dictates. If a dictator can stand up and decide what definations are for death the individual freedom has been usurped.

In a free society a cop at best should make suggestions and ask for volentary compliance.

If somone harms or otherwise trespasses against another that is the time to settle it.

sovereign

Traffic deaths in a 315

Traffic deaths in a 315 million population society will happen whether you like it or not, and there is nothing you can do about it ever.

I'm

42 and have been driving since I was 15 and have only one ticket...a DUI. I was 29 and had worked in bars my whole life, I knew the drill. We went out to a basketball game at GA State, then to dinner at a bar friends of ours own. I had no alcohol at the game (I was the DD that night)I ate my whole dinner (it was a lot of food) and had one beer and one shot of Yager. After dinner I drove two friends home and then my husband and I started heading home (we live an hour outside of Atlanta). I got about 10 miles from my house and got pulled over (a good hour and a half after I had my drinks).

Did they pull me over because I was driving dangerously?
Nope, the light over my tag was out.

The cop actually apologized to me when he arrested me. He said he had to because they were doing a DUI sting that night and his boss was right over there watching (he pointed out another cop car sitting on the side of the road).

I'm 5'4" and weigh 130 and apparently I'm drunk off 2 drinks on a full stomach after an hour and a half. I blew a .08, if they lower the BAC to .05 then I would get a DUI off less than a drink.

I ended up just pleading guilty, paying the fine, going to drunk driver school, probation and doing my 40 hours of "community service", which consisted of me sitting in a trailer at the recycling center while a creepy old man hit on me.

Sorry this is so long but I also want to point out that I worked in bars in Atlanta and had an hour drive home. Many nights I was driving home at 3am and had freakin cops following me all the way home. I drove through 4 counties and as soon as I'd cross the county line I would lose one and pick up another. You'd think with the crime rates in Fulton, DeKalb and Gwinnett counties they'd have something better to do.

It's so sad we've allowed

It's sad we've allowed them to use the DUI scam to screw us all over. I'm so sorry you had to pay dearly for it.

Agreed. A peson with the flu is 14 TIMES as likely to be...

involved in an automobile accident while driving, whether or not they have taken medication. If anyone remembers, the "war on drunk driving" began after the formation of MADD. One of the founders was later cited for "drunk driving".

It's just another Zionist

It's just another Zionist trick they played on us.

I refined and edited the

I refined and edited the article to make more sense.

Liberty For Secutiry

It manifests itself in so many forms.

Another victimless crime.

Another example of prior restraint.

Rothbard: "Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."

I've had many years to

I've had many years to analyze the whole DUI scam. It's ruining many good peoples lives. What it boils down to is a Cat and Mouse Game.

I beat the DUI stop twice with their DUI test games. I have no DUI's.

That being said, I avoid going out after dark and spending my money at local businesses for fear of being targeted for a DUI. A business tax revenue loss. Too F-fing bad.

Every police car has a video

Every police car has a video camera that can contain video evidence of impaired driving. If such evidence of impaired driving does not exist, then there should be no prospection of DUI in most situations.

100%

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“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

Hospitals are the 4th largest

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