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Maybe it's time something bad did happen

In regards to the open carry march on DC organized by Adam Kokesh. There has been a lot of detraction mostly by saying it would allow for agent provocateurs or just plain give the government a reason to use DHS tanks.

Well maybe it's time for something bad to happen. You can't plan your whole life around what might happen or what bad things could happen. If you do, you could end up living a life of constant fear. I ask, what kind of life is that? A life where we are so scared of something bad happening that we sacrifice our most innate rights to ensure it doesn't happen.

I always hear people here complaining about the majority sacrificing their liberties for security and how the majority of Americans today would rather be safe than free.

Then I look here and see those same individuals willing to sacrifice their liberties to make sure the government doesn't act out in aggression or create a incident out of a peaceful event. They are afraid of terrorists, and you are afraid of government. I ask you, how are you any different than them? Those who would sacrifice their liberties so willingly, how can you call yourself free?

Maybe it's time we stopped always thinking the worst and just did what is right.

(Just writing from the heart, sorry for bad grammar or incoherence.)

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Do you think the way to overcome

tyranny is an armed (but peaceful!) march into the domain of DC metro cops?

It's a start to let them know

It's a start to let them know they will not longer enforce tyranny with impunity. When has tyranny ever been overcome without violence. Never!

Bullies never back down on their own until they are stood up to!

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And you make my point....

And you make my point.... you're looking to start the fight. I wont help hotheads.

They started the

Fight a long time ago. Does 1913 ring a bell? They throw people in cages for breaking the law that criminals in D.C. created. People are dying over seas. We are being TAXED to death!. Haven't you had enough?

Wrong, guy. They started this

Wrong, guy. They started this fight, yet you continually refuse to accept that simple fact. A dog will only take a beating for so long before it snaps and bites the owners hand. It doesn't make it 'hot headed'.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
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But when the dog telegraphs his intentions to the owner

the owner has ample time to kill the dog before he bites, stupid dog.

Adam has telegraphed to much to the feds. "I'm going to bite your hand at this place and at this time..."

Smells like a setup to me, why not just reignite the anti-2A cause? Cause that's all this "armed march" will do. We're winning, no need to grandstand... yet.

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At least admit that you hope

At least admit that you hope this march turns violent like the OP did.

Yeah because that's what i said.

You're the epitome of a fear mongering idiot.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Right. Thanks for putting

Right. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. In the meantime, enjoy your beatings. It sounds to me like you're quite enjoying them.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
https://www.youtube.com/user/dasruda

i dont usually do this....

i dont usually do this.... but you're a moron.

And we're the hot headed

And we're the hot headed ones. Brilliant.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
https://www.youtube.com/user/dasruda

just dont get shot wearing a

just dont get shot wearing a Ron Paul hat please.

Just do what's right! Amen!

Just do what's right! Amen!

Government doesn't need a march to plan a false flag. When do the naysayers think it will get any easier to stop these tyrannical criminals? When will there be a better time? When tyranny is in full force?

"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?" Patrick Henry St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia
March 23, 1775.

http://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfm

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Let me ask

you something. Who exactly is the fight against? In other words why are we facing increasing tyranny and decreasing liberty?

Is it the current occupant of the White House? Obviously that answer is no, because the Patriot Act came long before then.

The truth is the real enemy can't be fought directly with a gun as you make it seem is the simple case.

What a load of bullshit! The

What a load of bullshit! The enforcers of tyranny are the true enemy it doesn't matter who their masters are those who enforce it enable them.

Now answer the damn question when will there be a better time when will we be stronger when will it be less dangerous for us to put our foot down and say enough? When hmmmm? What is it you are waiting for?

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The problem

is many of us are the enforcers of tyranny.

I voted for Clinton, and Obama once too. I didn't always know what I know now. I don't think I'm alone.

What am I waiting for? A dollar collapse to end this empire peacefully.

Okay, so while TPTB continue

Okay, so while TPTB continue to undermine our liberties, arrest people for simply speaking out against their tyrannical impositions, and removing any means of self defense against them... it's all gravy as long as you've got duckets?

What if this dollar collapse doesn't happen until they've successfully disarmed us all?

I appreciate what people are saying about peaceful resistance, and am thankful for this site in keeping folks informed. But at the same time, it's boggling to see so many references to changing the system via the ballot box. Seriously folks... your 'vote' means jack squat to these people. They've proven it time and time again.

Meanwhile, in the time that it's taken us to actually overturn any corrupt legislation, they've passed 100 more new unconstitutional laws. You must realize this by now.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
https://www.youtube.com/user/dasruda

There are

lines I feel can't be crossed. Those lines pertain to the ability of the people to rise up with force against government.

The two things that would hinder that are nation wide gun grabs or martial law. I would fight if either line was crossed.

And you think when the dollar

And you think when the dollar collapses and millions are wondering where there next meal will come from or where they will sleep at night things will remain peaceful? Come on you are smarter then that...

"Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?" Patrick Henry St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia
March 23, 1775.

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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!

Get Prepared!

When the

dollar collapses there will be a lot of disorganization and domestic violence, but that won't last forever. Currency collapses happen throughout history, with Argentina as a recent example.

The question is what happens after the collapse. Dollars will be useless, so the question will be if the government forbids people exchanging gold/silver to start rebuilding things or tries to implement martial law. Neither of those are acceptable and are things I'm willing to fight against, but I don't think that will happen because so many people are awake.

And you think fighting will

And you think fighting will be easier after the collapse?... Sigh!

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Get Prepared!

You Did = Right.

+1 for yours = "and just did what is right". Right.

What is the possibility

of another false flag by the government during the march. It would be just like them to plant someone who would start firing to cause Chaos thus justifying firing on the marchers possibly causing mass casualties. I guess what I am saying I have mixed feelings about this.

Maybe So -- Probably So

I won't re-write...
...here's my comment on this idea that I put at the other post.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3088250

"...to make sure the

"...to make sure the government doesn't act out in aggression or create a incident out of a peaceful event."

A peaceful event? I'm sorry, but marching with loaded weapons does not imply a peaceful resolve. It is symbolically violent at best. And Adam has not been emphatic over how he wants this event to be non-violent, if anything he has implied otherwise.

“This is an armed revolt against the American government. Make no mistake about it.”

Is that a message of peace? Or is that a message of bloodshed?

Don't fight violent fire with violent fire, fight the violent fire with peaceful waters that will distinguish the fire.

Fight fire with fire and what do we get? More fire. Do we want that? No.

There was a, Cold War. How about a Cold Revolution? That's the last thing they want. They want it to get hot.

I'm gonna go jump in the pool now and cool down.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

So simply possessing/carrying arms

makes you inherently violent or at best symbolically violent.

Take a day off from the brady campaign?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Marching on Washington, D.C.

Marching on Washington, D.C. with loaded weapons...

Yup, that's really going to win over the woman voters.

In your heart, it's true and good. But politically, it's not wise.

Adam has a lot of heart and big balls, but does he have any brain cells left to actually think with?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Who here

is in fear?

The thing is there is a peaceful way to end this overgrown empire, and that is letting it fall apart on its own as it already is.

I don't understand the urgency to race toward violence.

You are

"First, the armed march Adam Kokesh plans is a huge risk, because there are variables he can't control such as agent provocateurs or independent minded marchers. At the same time there is palpable frustration over how far we've strayed from the Constitution which could convert to violence if sparked by a bloody march outcome. I think that's a real danger, and not one I think should be up to Adam Kokesh." -rpcongress

Sounds like fear to me.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Don't

mistake peaceful preference for fear.

Was Ghandi afraid? Was Martin Luther King Jr.?