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Most offensive? Memorial day wishes

I was going to post a nice anti-war, libertarian message to my Facebook friends for memorial day. Lots of my friends are thanking those who died to protect our country. Which of these would be most offensive? Keep in my mind that we all went to public schools.

"in memory of those brave men and women who died to protect our empire"

"in memory of those brave soldiers who died to enhance the prosperity of the MIC, the Financial sector and the oil industry"

Or simply:

"in memory of those who died for our government."

Thoughts?



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Go into a VFW and say your

Go into a VFW and say your BS.

I hope they break you.

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Thanks for helping me make my point

A bunch of vets at the VFW would be extremely upset to hear that they were shot at and had to kill people and watch their friends die to protect empire and economic interest. If they believed it, the level of anger and sadness would probably be crippling. Absolutely soul crushing. Absolute betrayal!!

It's not just dying in vain, it's even worse.

And that they were trained murderers would make it that much more dangerous for me. I wouldn't last a second.

Relax, dude, and be curious. These are delicate subjects, best discussed calmly.

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God I hope someone near you

God I hope someone near you teaches you some respect.

How about

"In memory of those brave men and women who gave their lives in service to our glorious empire, enriching the shareholders of our beloved military industrial complex, financial sector and petroleum industry."

Sign off all other posts with:

"Long live the Emperor"

Your Facebook popularity will surely soar. Sadly, there will be a few naysayers. Openly call for them to be droned!

I told my kids that this is a day to remember those...

...remember those who died to protect our freedoms and our lives.

Of course, I add that the last war that was truly fought for that purpose was WW2.

Fuck the daily paul and it's cowardly members.

More veteran bashing drivel on the daily paul, why am I not surprised. You know what?, fuck it!, I'm done with this website and it's veteran bashing cowardly membership. Go Fuck Yourselves!

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my two brothers

were military and I would never disrespect their memory.. I might not respect the government but I respect the stand up men and women who served in the military.

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I'm not bashing veterans...

I'm not bashing veterans, I'm bashing the citizenry who seem to entirely think dead soldiers is a value and virtue to society.

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The dead soldiers gave you

The dead soldiers gave you the right to say what you want to do almost anything you want.

The dead soldiers have an unimaginable value to the millions of citizens that came after they were cold and buried. A value of freedom and hope that you can not possibly begin to pay.

So while you sit in your chair posting with internet anonymity, quietly gfy and have a nice day.

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Your post is a stunning example of what I'm trying to say

You just equated dead soldiers with "a value of freedom and hope", which is precisely the kind of misguided sentiment that keeps the US citizenry compliant with our oversea wars for the past 200 years. And probably the same sentiment that has helped promote war worldwide for the past 6,000 years.

If you are interested, there's some good material on the subject written by Dr. Ron Paul. Page 218 of Liberty Defined has a nice take on how government uses this sentimentality to continue bloodshed overseas.

I'll give a tip of the hat to the soldiers of the American Revolution (essentially a defensive war), but I can't pretend to promote human death as some kind of virtue or something to be celebrated.

It's interesting that this conversation makes people so angry. I suspect because the morality of the subject is so conflated.

We need to get rid of these war holidays and then close down public education the day after.

Peace!

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Don't leave man, this site

Don't leave man, this site has some opinionated people who don't mind pissing on their friends on occasion, but at the end of the day, I think they're all here for essentially the same reason. I'm a former veteran and a police officer and I try to just suck it up and absorb their points of view. Have a better day.

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I'm a veteran...

and I'll bash whoever I choose!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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oh boo hoo

I'm getting VERY tired of people like you using your service as an excuse to act all hypersensitive whenever someone doesn't bow down and blindly worship the military. Why take it so personally, hmm? Got a guilty conscience?

If you're looking for salutes and playful pats on the ass for a job well done, then look elsewhere.

Also, *you're* the coward for wanting to delete your account over a single post you didn't like.

edit: cleaned up

A signature used to be here!

While I don't think the

While I don't think the obscenity was necessary, I do understand where you're coming from man, and i'd be willing to bet that most of the same people bashing veterans are the same people slamming the march on DC. It IS cowardice, just more big talk from keyboard warriors who think it's all just fun and games.

Keep up the false bravado guys. Keep trying to change the system from within, no matter how fruitless your efforts prove to be. Keep it up with all the backhanded comments towards those who sacrificed themselves for this country, who fought and died not for 'big oil' but to protect your right to come on some website just to berate them. We certainly appreciate it.

Really. Happy memorial day guys. It's truly been an eye opener.

Corbett, I feel you dude. And I hope you'll stick around. From one vet to another.

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Confessions of an ~

"Economic Hitman", this 2.minute video covers a lot & explains well. It has been posted on DP before, but it is worth reminding, to refresh our memories, and share with those who are in the military & killing biz. See & inform about the suffering these hitmen are causing >

=> https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn7Fzm1hEiDQ

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I liked the first one but add this...

"In memory of those brave men and women who [unknowingly] died to protect our empire. They naively left to serve America and to begin their hopes and dreams but they died for oil, for gold, and for the riches of evil. May they help us to see that they did not die in vain in that we may stop sending our children to be cannon fodder for the wicked."

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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Going with the flow..

is not what we are about. We make waves and surf them too.

The OP is making an interesting point that we can choose to participate in or not.

Inviting silence is not our way in my opinion..

my2cents..

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Life on Earth.

+1 for inviting thoughts on a very important but sensitive subject, i.e. Memorial day, & soldiers.

First set & remember certain Truths & Principles that canNot be denied, = that the most valuable & precious thing on Earth is Life, specially (innocent) human life, a Soul.
Who-ever (murders &) violates this principle must be condemned, not honored.

TPTB, BIS, UNO, MSM, MIC, Fed-Banks, Govt, State, crooked Corps, etc, are all aligned in a vast network, they are the enforcers of tyranny. We canNot separate the military-men from this group, they are actually the Force of Law, in front of the enforcers, the ones who are feared, those gun-men who actually pull the trigger & kill.

Best is to hold-back the loved ones from committing error, cruelty, killing, or sin.

I think

the 2nd one would be most offensive but I don't recommend being intentionally rude. I just post stuff like this...

The blunt truth is always offensive

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I think I misread your question...

Are you wanting to know which one will be most offensive because you WANT to offend? Or because you want to avoid the offensive comment?

If your goal is to offend, then I say don't. You'll never win anyone over by intentionally being an @ss.

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I don't want to offend

Perhaps it was poorly written, but I meant to comment that people would find these more truthful statements offensive. People speak about the soldier deaths on memorial day about nobly protecting our freedoms.

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They took an oath to protect

They took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. That is what they died for.

They died for what they believed in...America.

Go mow your lawn or something instead of trying to be offensive.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Then

Maybe they should come help us over here in America. Because the Constitution is being ripped to pieces.

My post

This is what I posted a little earlier. I didn't think it was disrespectful, but I did have a friend who is stuck somewhere between being a neocon and a libertarian reply saying he wasn't going to say anything today "out if respect."

"Over the last few years, the feelings I have about Memorial Day and other "patriotic" holidays that we celebrate have changed...

While I recognize that it takes an extremely courageous person to put his/her life on the line for their country, especially in a battlefield situation so far away from home, where you do not know who is a friend or who is an enemy, and I am still very proud of those who are brave enough to do that... it is now a holiday which I find makes me extremely sad.

How many more of our troops have to die or be maimed in unconstitutional, undeclared, and unjust wars before we say ENOUGH?!?! It makes no sense to send them to fight an enemy who WE ARE PROVIDING WEAPONS TO USE AGAINST THEM, in a "war" against an IDEA that can NOT EVER be "won."

So, to my active duty and veteran friends, as well as those who meet this description that I do not know... THANK YOU for your service from the bottom of my heart!! Now, I challenge you to help those of us who want to get your brothers and sisters in arms home where they belong to accomplish that goal!!!"

I think any of your 3 options would probably be less "offensive" than mine, but I'd probably go with 1 or 3.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

My reply to my friend was

"I understand that, Tim. I didn't think of my comment as being disrespectful to them, because, the reason I feel the way I do is actually due to my respect for them and their lives. My problem is not with our troops at all... it's with the decisions made by our government that puts them into those types of situations when they are not necessary."

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how about

not insulting soldiers and instead insulting government.

To those to have given their lives in pursuit of an ideal, which has through time, been corrupted by our government.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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