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I Don't Have A Gun. Can I Still March?

My calendar is clear. My marching boots are polished. My marching hat has been found and my marching cummerbund pressed and folded. I'm all set for the July 4 festivities, except for one thing: I don't own a gun.

May I still march with you, Mr. Kokesh?

Why don't I own a gun, you ask? It's not because I don't like guns. In fact I do like guns, a lot. It's not because I'm a felon and am not allowed to own one - my legal status hasn't stopped me from doing a whole bunch of things I'm not supposed to. The reason I don't own one is because I'm damn scared of them. And that's sort of the point, isn't it?

May I still march with you, Mr. Kokesh?

I would like to march on my state capitol on July 4, with you in spirit and purpose, but if actually owning a gun is required then I'm afraid I can't participate. Sure, I might do it anyway - anyone who sees me there may assume I DO have a gun somewhere on me, they may assume that I have it concealed on my person somewhere, that it is loaded, and that I know how to use it. They may assume all of this on any day of the year and in any place in the country, actually. Is it not this perception that the other person may be armed that keeps us safe? Is it not better that a crime never happen due to this perception, rather than the crime occur and the gun used? Would an even better protection of life and property be a tshirt reading "I may be armed and dangerous"?

May I still march with you, Mr. Kokesh?



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If you march unarmed, you are a better man than I.

I don't like guns much either;because, frankly, I'm a lousy shot and never seem to have time or money to get better. However, I'm going with a loaded 12 gauge shotgun. They are easy to use and it is pretty hard to miss at close range. I also want to exact a price if anyone ever breaks into my home.

However, more important than carrying a gun is the willingness to use deadly force, either to protect yourself or others. I know a lot of gun enthusiasts who cower at the thought of such a thing. Fear is the biggest enemy anyone can face, but it can also be your friend, if you use it wisely to protect your life and the lives of others.

"I want both the Hindus and Mussalmans [Muslims] to cultivate the cool courage to die without killing. But if one has not that courage, I want him to cultivate the art of killing and being killed rather than, in a cowardly manner, flee from danger. For the latter, in spite of his flight, does commit mental himsa. He flees because he has not the courage to be killed in the act of killing."

Mahatma Gandhi

Bob! Please, take protection!

http://www.dailypaul.com/286685#comment-3087036

PS. Oh, and if 'legal' in DC (as with the march itself, you take FULL responsibility for the consequences and 'legality' of whatever gear/loadout you'll have on you), please do consider wearing both front and back SAPI plate/armor carrier, or the much cheaper AR500 alternative, and/or at least Level IIIa ballistic armor (though preferably Lev.3 and up).

just in case...

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Thank you. I appreciate your concern.

However, I can contribute more to this march by NOT wearing body armor. That might signal that I expect violence for exercising my right to bear arms. However, I do not expect violence; but, if it happens, whether anyone else agrees with me and while I did not do it in your name, I do it for you.

Besides, if it puts your mind at ease, I will be marching on Atlanta, not DC. I am disabled with multiple herniated discs and am supposed to be on "travel restriction". I could just see me getting halfway to DC and being unable to leave my motel room because of my back. I will also be riding a mobility scooter, so there will be no place to duck, particularly if the FBI HRT uses snipers.

I have already contacted Adam's march coordinator, Jeffrey Phillips. For all the "Jew bashers" out there, most of the people involved in this are Jewish. I am not, but I will "cover their backs" and trust them to cover mine.

well, my Prayers/positive-intent will be with you.

and, I'm still gonna be a grandpa naggy, dang it! and urge, regardless ;o)

Please, please, please take care of yourself: bring lots of your buddies with ya, along with as many cold bottled water that you can carry in/on your scooter (summer heat in Georgia and all, which as a resident, you'll know infinitely better first hand than I), have tactical blow-out first aid kits on your scoot or on someone nearby, lawyer/bail-bondsmen on speed dial, etc.

and of course, the usual precaution: expect 100% corporatist govt terrorist lunacy, going in. then again, when should you not expect them to go loco? lol.

either way, goes without saying, I pray for yours and everyone attending's health, well being, safety, and an utterly peaceful outcome.

but just in case, still would not be a bad idea to consider 'friendly' (paint flowers on them? lol) Mad-Max up-armoring your scoot with AR500 plates and re-polishing up on 'tacitcal peel' even with your scoot, no?

.o)

Anyway, hope it all goes well, peacefully, without a hitch.

Frankly, there will only be safety (well, okay, so never 100% possible, but relatively speaking; you get the gist), when there is participation by MASSIVE number of critical mass of awakened souls who have firm assertive attitude and understanding of natural rights/the Golden Rule/self-ownership/individual sovereignty, willing to play hardball like Adam, and be certain and clear and willfully decide exactly what they want out of the event before going in, and fully have made peace with all its variable consequences.

Oh, and of course, not to mention, thousands of spectators and citizen journalists and the march/protest attendees having MULTIPLE cameras ON them, getting familiar with your smartphone's 'quick upload into the cloud' features on your various iPhone/Droid apps like UStream.TV who has teamed up with InfoWars.com to do the same at the upcoming Watford, UK Bilderberg 2013 coverage, and having multiple backup data-storage solutions...

I wish and pray for all who attend: personal safety, a peaceful outcome, LOVE, but more importantly, an effective outcome.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I may just walk arm-in-arm with someone...

while wearing a t-shirt with the words 'United In Arms' and a logo of two crossed arms, different shades of color, one holding a gun and the other not. Sort of a double-crossed t like from V4V except toppled over on its side, never to stand again :)

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Im sure you could go... dont

Im sure you could go... dont listen to the negative nancies, they are paid trolls for sure

Bring camera instead

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The "right to bear arms" has nothing to do with cameras.

Also, as we all know, the police brutalize people with cameras, as well.

This is not to denigrate those who attend with cameras. In fact, Adam says he does not care whether or not you "open carry" at the state capitol marches. But, I care deeply whether or not I do.

As I told Jeffrey Phillips, Adam's coordinator, "Thank you for the honor of being part of this moment in history."

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Here's why. Joel Skousen said it best in his World Affairs Brief (www.worldaffairsbrief.com, May 10, 2013):

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ARMED MARCH ON DC AN UNWISE PROVOCATION

There are smart ways to organize a demonstration at the nation’s capitol to gain public support against government tyranny and then there are moves that are really unwise. In my personal opinion, Adam Kokesh’s proposed armed march of several thousand volunteer protestors into Washington DC is not smart and potentially will get all future right wing demonstrations in favor of the Second Amendment banned as “prone to violence.” Over 3,000 have so far pledged on Kokesh’s Facebook page to attend the July 4th event.

I’ve never liked Adam Kokesh’s style—sitting before the mike in black tank top, shaved but bearded head, and always talking tough. It’s a militaristic style that attracts ex-military hot heads to the movement, and this latest gambit has that same uncareful style.

Kokesh is claiming to be taking several precautions to ensure safety and appear non-confrontational:

1. Only long guns and shotguns are going to be permitted in the march and demonstration.

2. They will be loaded weapons with safety settings “on.”

3. They will be slung across the back—no one will be holding a weapon.

On the other hand, there is much that is openly confrontational and militaristic in style:

1. They are going to “muster” in formation and march in formation to give it a quasi military appearance.

2. Kokesh says he will coordinate with DC police, and request an escort in order to ensure everyone’s safety. But, but if they refuse (guaranteed), he will do it anyway as “civil disobedience.”

3. It’s an open invitation to have government insert a provocateur among them who may fire a weapon and bring the demonstration under police fire.

Kokesh, a Marine veteran, says his purpose is to “To put government on notice that we won’t be intimidated.” He openly states on his Facebook event post that “this is an act of civil disobedience,” but stresses, “This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent.”

It’s not that simple. When you openly violate a law about weapons, the police have little choice but to intervene—and they will. To make it worse, in his interview with Alex Jones, Kokesh spoke dangerous language when he said, “This is an armed revolt against the American government.”

You just can’t go around saying things like that even if the right to revolution is guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence. It is a serious step not to be taken for “light or transient” reasons and must have wide public support backed by a long list of grievances. It’s easy enough for constitutional conservatives and libertarians to produce such a list of technical violations, but they are not easily visible or provable to the common person.

The government’s current and future plans for taking away liberty are carefully masked by a myriad of executive orders, and hidden memos—sealed under the cover of National Security—hardly the stuff needed to rally the world around us. Kokesh and his brash statements show he hasn’t thought this out very well and appears to be heading for trouble.

His brash approach will guarantee that no police in Washington DC are going to cooperate with his demonstration. In fact, Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said she will arrest Adam Kokesh and any other protesters who violate the district’s gun laws.

“Passing into the District of Columbia with loaded firearms is a violation of the law and we’ll have to treat it as such.”

I have no doubt he intends this to be a non-violent event, but the presence of loaded weapons, marching down the street where “open carry” is currently illegal is inviting a police confrontation. It appears to be Adam’s intent to merely get arrested, to make a statement, but it could turn violent if some agent provocateur decides to fire any kind of shot at all.

I too am an advocate of “open carry,” which refers to the public’s right to carry a loaded weapon openly in public as long as there is no intent to engage in a criminal act. It has always been viewed a less onerous than carrying a concealed weapon, though I’m not sure that’s really true. What is true is that when people can see a weapon openly, they have some opportunity to judge the holder and react.

Open carry is also an essential part of the Second Amendment because you can’t bear arms if you can never be seen in public with one. If every person has to have a permit to show up in public with a weapon, then a revolution against government tyranny could never get off the ground.

To ordinary people, open carry restrictions by cities or states are not viewed as a violation of the Second Amendment to “keep and bear arms” either for self-defense (which they think only takes place in the home) or for hunting (which doesn’t normally take place in cities).

Of course, more technical regulations like the registration of all weapons is not a technical violation of the right to keep and bear arms, but it violates the spirit of it. Historically, registration has always been a precursor to confiscation, and should be resisted strongly.

While I would agree that no jurisdiction should be able to ban open carry under the Second Amendment, hinting at an armed confrontation is not the way to go about getting those laws changed. My objection to this act of “civil disobedience” proposed by Kokesh is that it’s not going to help gain support for second amendment rights or motivate any official in DC to feel more comfortable about changing the law.

It may be empowering to the macho types who want to make a dramatic public statement, but most people will merely see it as a stupid violation of DC law and approve of police action to arrest them. Few will see this as standing up against something unjust, and it may assist government in further demonizing pro-gun people as extremists. It may even prompt more states to ban open carry.

We just had a great victory in stopping the latest assault rifle ban, but it’s only a first step. They’ll be back for more gun control and every misstep the movement makes which makes us look even more radical will only help the gun grabbers, so let’s be wise about carrying weapons in public. ...

-Bloatedtoad

As an unarmed citizen, my presence may well protect those...

who bring guns.

On another note, regarding this letter which you've posted here Screwtape er I meant Bloatedtoad, it's pure bunk. Near slander, absolute slant, pandering banter, self-evident high-five to the face. Just an FYI.

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Not sure what your point is

Not sure what your point is or if you are being sarcastic or what? However if you had actually been following this he has said right off the get go and through out that everyone is invited armed or not.

So maybe you could clarify your point/intentions?

Also why are you scared of guns have you ever shot one? Most people once they shoot they are hooked and want their own and to continue to shoot.

Open carry is more a determent then concealed since there is no question one is armed and criminals will go look for easier pickings...

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Yes I've been following this issue closely, and I don't recall..

hearing Adam say anything about unarmed people participating. At least it was never strongly emphasized. Is there an interview I should re-listen to where he says everyone is welcome?

Yes I have shot a gun - many of them in fact. It's a shitload of fun. But they also scare the hell out of me which I think is healthy.

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He said

If you don't have a gun, bring a camera... or come anyways.

Here's a paragraph

On the Adam vs the Man site related to the March.
You are welcome and highly encouraged to attend unarmed as a supporter, or armed with a recording device. Please RSVP in the affirmative (“Going”) if you plan to attend as a witness. If there are any active duty military or law enforcement who would like to honor their oath to the Constitution by supporting this march, please contact: adam@adamvstheman.com. We especially invite law enforcement officers to stand with us armed however they feel is appropriate.

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Thanks for that.

Good to see that confirmation.

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Just a rough draft...

been thinking about this for a while...

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