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Patriots Being Led Into "Kill Zone" At D.C. "Armed Revolt"

(OP)EDITOR'S NOTE - You guys here at the Daily Paul weren't very nice to me after my last video on Kokesh. That's OK, I forgive you, but I want to ask you one question: Do you think Dr. Ron Paul would approve of this march? If you comment below, please answer the question in your response.

If he does, then I guess I really am as stupid as some of you say.

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zck99FHRXpU
SOURCE: http://bobpowell.blogspot.com/2013/05/patriots-being-led-int...

Being a Civil Affairs POG (Personnel Other Than Grunt) does not excuse the extremely poor tactical planning that went into Anarcho-capitalist ("F the law, gimme your money") and former Marine Adam Kokesh's "armed revolt against the U.S. government" scheduled for July 4th 2013.

In this episode of The Truth Is Viral, host Bob Powell takes the viewer to a real bridge and demonstrates how the Washington D.C. Police Department, the U.S. Park Police, and the Department of Homeland Security plan to arrest anyone who sets foot onto the Arlington Memorial Bridge with a loaded weapon; and fire upon those who resist.

The tactics contained in this video are not only common sense, but are taught to Marines in boot camp. That can only mean that Adam Kokesh is purposely leading his followers into what he knows is an extremely dicey situation - a "Kill Zone" - where the slightest miscalculation will be enough to get someone killed.

The Truth Is Viral can not stress enough how important it is to share this video everywhere in hopes of convincing those planning to fall into Kokesh's formation to abandon those plans and save their fervor, and their lives, for the right time and place.



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Occupy Wall Street

I'm glad he mentioned OWS. It was when OWS attempted to cross the Brooklyn bridge which triggered the arrest of hundreds that put the movement on the front page around the world and if wasn't for the movement being coopted, it might have been a catalyst for a voluntarist society. (there weren't just Marxists there, believe me, I was there)

I'm sorry but this video is absolutely BS. He claims Adam wants us to turn over our weapons to the police? He's "workin for Obama" "the DC police told me you were going to be arrested, don't drop the soap??" Please.

And he's very antagonistic over anarcho-capitalism in general. This guy might be a "conservative", but he's certainly no libertarian, or just isn't educated.

He approaches the entire situation as if the National Gurd is gong to be on the other side with SAWs ready to fire. The whole point is civil disobedience, something Mr. Powell clearly doesn't understand. Sorry if they don't teach that in the Marine Core.

I have pondered for sometime on this

First - let me answer the question demanded - no - I dont think RP would approve at ALL.
But, RP is not the end all be all of my moral compass.

There are two side in my mind

The government HAS gone too far. We ARE way past the point were a "throw off of the government" is warranted. Millions of people on this planet have been killed by OUR governments actions just in the past few decades, with the approval(silent or otherwise) of its citizens. The atrocities against our own citizens are many and growing at an alarming rate. Slavery is alive and well in this country. The machine is out of control

Does this warrant revolution. Yes. Does that mean we should start it. NO. WHY? A very important line in the Declaration:
"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. "

Hell - is anybody openly protesting these wars? NDAA?

I see this phase only having started. Frankly the country as a whole has not petitioned for redress - quite the opposite - they have welcomed the tyranny with open arms.
That to me is what the RP revolution is about. Making damn sure the petitions for redress have been done - and waking the people up to do it. THEN, if nothing comes of it, one may make claim to start another revolution.

On the other side:

We all know the government has gone too far - so who am I to tell AK to not address it as he feels fit. Everyone talks a tough game about standing up - and when someone finally does it - he is chastised. Seems silly to be honest.
That being said - an armed march with thousands of strangers on the nations captial is about as idiotic as it comes.

But, I am sure the police with rise to the idiocracy on cue as well.
My answer:

All those cops are union -if you are worried about your family - call in sick. Otherwise I have to believe you are itching just as bad for a fight as AK is. And odds are you will get one.

If you want to march with AK and carry a loaded weapon. Sounds to me like you are itching for a fight and will probably get one.

So when you break it all down. The fight is the obvious outcome.
The only way to avoid the fight is for AK to step down becuase the police will not, and frankly, cannot step down.

So where does this leave us. Simple - AK has made a huge tactical blunder(or perhaps not - depending on who he really plays for). There is no win at this point for "US".
He backs down - he has damaged the movement by showing that when push come to shove we will crawl back to our FEMA camps and do as we are told.
He does not back down- a fight will occur - people will die and the anti gun fever will go to about 104 degrees.

Kinda makes me wonder whos team he is on because you know option three - the police let them march - IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SteveMT's picture

"Kill Zone" is right. Kent State comes to mind.

Remember that unarmed demonstrating students were fired upon and four were killed by a well placed non-gun "pop." Going to Washington, D.C. with loaded guns will be a self-fulfilling prophesy of disaster, IMO.

Bob outlines three options/outcomes for a march onto a bridge

None of which to me seem like a viable exit strategy. This puts the feds and responders in control of the outcome.

Adam, put the bong down. I'm supposed to believe that you don't want to be Obama's political dream come true.

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RON PAUL 2012

I watched this video this morning

and I am glad that you posted it.

AK is a Marine which means he knows about the "kill zone." And yet what is he doing?

For all of you who support AK and this inane plan to march well I do not know what to say. You
are being misled and letting yourselves be led. Like father like son, I suppose.

Everything about this march is wrong and his release the other day - well, to put it bluntly it is because he is protected. I truly believe that he is psychologically and emotionally damaged. All of you, who have not, need to do some research on him and his past.

And as to Ron being OK with this - an armed march on DC - are you kidding? - a resounding NO!

Ron Paul is My President

Another way to look at it

Bob's assuming the marcher's will be all crossing the bridge at the same time. What if this is not the case? What if a bunch of covert marcher's are already on the other side? What if the ones still waiting to cross are dispersed? What if the kill zone is really at both ends of the bridge? What if most of the leos are just working for a paycheck to feed their families and never really thought about the constitution and their oath until that day? What if the leos figure out they are surrounded by marchers? Just say'n...Bob's view is only one scenario.

Moving targets disturb me.

Adam and his people aren't the moving target, the objective is. I thought this started out as basic 2A but now it's about demanding state governors make immediate plans to withdraw from the union?

I wasn't gonna show up to begin with, being of like mind with those who say that just one slip up could result in disaster but this is going from bad to worse.

When you show up and make a "demand" with a gun it's kinda hard for me not to see that as a threat. What % of DC residents will feel intimidated by this? And demanding the dissolution of the union? Most people like the union. And freedom cannot be forced. So not only do we have an utterly unattainable objective, it's not even a remotely popular one. So I'm wondering what the heck is gonna be accomplished here?

Up to now I thought I understood Adam fairly well. Now I'm like what the heck is he thinking?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

SAY WHAT?????

I am not able to watch the video from where I am at the moment. Can you explain what is going on? I believed that Adam's march was a simple 2A march with the intent of peacefully going home? Is there more to this now? Please explain!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I can try

First off Adam called off the DC march. Now it's an armed march on all 50 state capitols. But it's not a 2A thing anymore, the marches are to issue demands that the states withdraw from the union. FURTHERMORE those who participate are now defined by Adam as a "Revolutionary Army".

And that, friend is about all I can tell you.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I'm 6'4" 275lb of wall to

I'm 6'4" 275lb of wall to wall muscle. When I show up anywhere without my gun I'm seen as a threat. But I'm sure not messing with a 5'6" punk with a gun.

I've had a similar evolution

"Up to now I thought I understood Adam fairly well. Now I'm like what the heck is he thinking?"

As I was saying below, I don't like how the message about the march has changed. Not that I was ever planning to attend in the first place.

SteveMT's picture

+1; Agree with you Bob.

Be careful of spontaneous leaders who magically appear and want to organize events with loaded guns. We should know this more so than most others. Example: Glenn beck and the Tea Party Movement. By their actions and their past, they should be known and judged. Seemingly good intentions are not good enough, especially when our lives are involved.

Magically appear?

Adam Kokesh has around for a long time and was a keynote speaker at the Freedom March in Philadelphia during Dr. Paul's first run. I've spoke with him many times after that including at Dr. Paul's birthday party in Texas.

Always be careful and think critically but let's not get paranoid.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

SteveMT's picture

Adam Kokesh is not well known and not a national figure.

He is certainly not well known to the man on the street; he's locally known or regionally known at best. Now, he's suddenly organizing a quite spontaneous national event without any apparent prior input from anyone. He decided this on this own seemingly done in a vacuum.....people with loaded guns marching on D.C.? Doesn't that sound like an unthought-out provocative event that could get a lot of well-meaning people killed? I AM being careful and thinking clearly, and I am justifiably paranoid about what possibly might happen in such a situation, IMO. Are you?

Ron Paul

I hate to say it but outside political circles RP is outside the main stream and unknown. I don't think popularity or notoriety is the be all end all of an organizer (I would not call Kokesh a leader, I'm not sure I would call Dr. Paul a leader either, but I mean that as a compliment)

The voice of reason

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RON PAUL 2012

I saw your last video Bob. I

I saw your last video Bob. I think you are misguided. This Million man gun march is more of a psychological operation than anything else. It's main reason is to teach our government employees We the people own our county and are still in charge. We the People are the employers of our government employees, a concept that has been long lost on our government employees. It's time to reassert our power and now is a good a time as any.

We the People are not in charge of our government

Saying we are does not make it so.

Until We the People have successfully limited the size of government, it's myriad of laws, and needless government bureaucracies, can We the People say that we are in charge of our government.

A republic only if you can keep it.

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RON PAUL 2012

doesn't feel right

For those looking for more information: Cruising around trying to get a better sense who Adam is, I found this about his investment father banker:

Adam Kokesh’s father, Charles Kokesh, was charged by the Securities and Exchange Commission with misappropriating $45 million dollars from 21,000 investors in four business development companies.

I did not copy the URL but it is covered in non-libertarian web sites too. Lots of leverage for black mail.

Vickie

I think Dr. Paul

would not or will not endorse this march in any way. I don't personally endorse it either. I also do not think Dr P would or will do anything to try to stop it or freak out about it like many here who are opposed to it.

I don't like how the dialogue for the march has changed. I don't like the idea of being shamed into aggression by people who promote this march. I don't like the tones of people against this march that are so afraid of what will happen as a result since it would be simply expediting the inevitable face of our 'government'. I don't like having to choose sides within my own side. The dichotomy of my view on Adams march is a bit noxious to both sides of this.

At the end of the day some people have their own road to march. While DC on July 4th isn't my chosen road, I understand the position and will be paying attention afar on that day while I am enjoying/protecting my children and feeding my family.

Upvoted

Kill boxes suck, you stay out of them, lead your enemy into them if you must, but do not willingly walk into one if you value your life or the 2A

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RON PAUL 2012

An upvote

For Bob Powell.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Get a grip

Pantyhose.

To my Liberal Trolls:
"Really Don't mind if you sit this one out. Your words but a whisper, your deafness a shout. I may make you feel, but I can't make you think."
Ian Anderson 1972

A brave and honorable demonstration?, maybe.

A misguided tactic?, most probably.
But see it for what it is, a show of force, and a show of force against the masters of force. A peaceful demonstration and guns, in this situation, is simply a contradiction in terms.
The 2nd amendment was intended as a tool of last resort, was it not?,
maybe best to keep it that way, while you still have it.
What's to gain for all the risk, for putting people in harms way, a victory of some sort..lets hope it's not a pyrrhic victory.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

If anyone going to the march really wants to make a statement

Bring loaded super soakers. It will get the media's attention and allow the responders to breath a collective sigh of relief.

If anyone organizing a march had a lick of sense, they would have said to bring super soakers from the start. Maybe a water fight on the DC side of the bridge? Wet t-short contest...

Show the media that 2A supporters have a sense of humor, a sure sign of high intelligence, to combat the liberal media bias against small government folks. They wouldn't know how to spin the report and might actually show the truth in it's correct light for a change.

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RON PAUL 2012

Uh I think we are all aware of what could possibly happen

(I concede I was skeptical too at first) Adam is not forcing anyone to participate. If you fear being arrested or fired upon then don't attend, simple as that. I think Adam has thought it through as he states in the interview on Fox that the plan is to gather just outside of the city limits and hope for Obama to issue a stand-down order that will allow the marchers to proceed peacefully through the city. If they don't get a pass then that is the end of the "march".

One cannot expect to change things if they don't DO anything about it.

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Ok, so who communicates Obama's stand down order?

Seems like a lot of thought has gone into this.

So what's the protocol? What are the "official" channels between Adam and the POTUS? What prevents them from being compromised? Is anyone in attendance to believe that the DHS and the FBI are not going to game the situation by communicating a "false" stand down? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Or do you expect the POTUS to wave a white flag on the other side of the bridge?

How naive is the thinking behind this event?

Wrong tactic
Wrong place
Wrong time

A failed outcome will reinvigorate all the Sandy Hooks with a vengeance, and permanently relegate any 2A supporters to sub-humans for a generation or two. The gun grabbers will take DC for good and there will be no turning back. In spite of NY and CO, Sandy Hook, etc., real progress is being made in the overall debate at state levels. People of influence are coming out in favor of the 2A and are making themselves heard. Gun grabbers are on the ropes, they had Sandy Hook and couldn't seal the deal. They "misunderestimated" the silent majority of 2A supporters. A disaster of a march such as this will lose us the moral high-ground of the pro-2A position, and finally "prove" to gun-grabbers that armed citizens "cannot be trusted".

Qui Bono? Who does this guy Kokesh work for? OOINTELPRO??? The gun grabbers could not have gamed a better scenario for themselves.

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RON PAUL 2012

I Can Only Hope that Adam Kokesh isn't an Agent Provocateur.

I like Adam, but I must say Bob Powell echoes my fears as to what can go horribly wrong. I cannot see Ron Paul endorsing something like this either. Joel Skousen said it best in his World Affairs Brief (www.worldaffairsbrief.com, May 10, 2013):

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ARMED MARCH ON DC AN UNWISE PROVOCATION

There are smart ways to organize a demonstration at the nation’s capitol to gain public support against government tyranny and then there are moves that are really unwise. In my personal opinion, Adam Kokesh’s proposed armed march of several thousand volunteer protestors into Washington DC is not smart and potentially will get all future right wing demonstrations in favor of the Second Amendment banned as “prone to violence.” Over 3,000 have so far pledged on Kokesh’s Facebook page to attend the July 4th event.

I’ve never liked Adam Kokesh’s style—sitting before the mike in black tank top, shaved but bearded head, and always talking tough. It’s a militaristic style that attracts ex-military hot heads to the movement, and this latest gambit has that same uncareful style.

Kokesh is claiming to be taking several precautions to ensure safety and appear non-confrontational:

1. Only long guns and shotguns are going to be permitted in the march and demonstration.

2. They will be loaded weapons with safety settings “on.”

3. They will be slung across the back—no one will be holding a weapon.

On the other hand, there is much that is openly confrontational and militaristic in style:

1. They are going to “muster” in formation and march in formation to give it a quasi military appearance.

2. Kokesh says he will coordinate with DC police, and request an escort in order to ensure everyone’s safety. But, but if they refuse (guaranteed), he will do it anyway as “civil disobedience.”

3. It’s an open invitation to have government insert a provocateur among them who may fire a weapon and bring the demonstration under police fire.

Kokesh, a Marine veteran, says his purpose is to “To put government on notice that we won’t be intimidated.” He openly states on his Facebook event post that “this is an act of civil disobedience,” but stresses, “This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent.”

It’s not that simple. When you openly violate a law about weapons, the police have little choice but to intervene—and they will. To make it worse, in his interview with Alex Jones, Kokesh spoke dangerous language when he said, “This is an armed revolt against the American government.”

You just can’t go around saying things like that even if the right to revolution is guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence. It is a serious step not to be taken for “light or transient” reasons and must have wide public support backed by a long list of grievances. It’s easy enough for constitutional conservatives and libertarians to produce such a list of technical violations, but they are not easily visible or provable to the common person.

The government’s current and future plans for taking away liberty are carefully masked by a myriad of executive orders, and hidden memos—sealed under the cover of National Security—hardly the stuff needed to rally the world around us. Kokesh and his brash statements show he hasn’t thought this out very well and appears to be heading for trouble.

His brash approach will guarantee that no police in Washington DC are going to cooperate with his demonstration. In fact, Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said she will arrest Adam Kokesh and any other protesters who violate the district’s gun laws.

“Passing into the District of Columbia with loaded firearms is a violation of the law and we’ll have to treat it as such.”

I have no doubt he intends this to be a non-violent event, but the presence of loaded weapons, marching down the street where “open carry” is currently illegal is inviting a police confrontation. It appears to be Adam’s intent to merely get arrested, to make a statement, but it could turn violent if some agent provocateur decides to fire any kind of shot at all.

I too am an advocate of “open carry,” which refers to the public’s right to carry a loaded weapon openly in public as long as there is no intent to engage in a criminal act. It has always been viewed a less onerous than carrying a concealed weapon, though I’m not sure that’s really true. What is true is that when people can see a weapon openly, they have some opportunity to judge the holder and react.

Open carry is also an essential part of the Second Amendment because you can’t bear arms if you can never be seen in public with one. If every person has to have a permit to show up in public with a weapon, then a revolution against government tyranny could never get off the ground.

To ordinary people, open carry restrictions by cities or states are not viewed as a violation of the Second Amendment to “keep and bear arms” either for self-defense (which they think only takes place in the home) or for hunting (which doesn’t normally take place in cities).

Of course, more technical regulations like the registration of all weapons is not a technical violation of the right to keep and bear arms, but it violates the spirit of it. Historically, registration has always been a precursor to confiscation, and should be resisted strongly.

While I would agree that no jurisdiction should be able to ban open carry under the Second Amendment, hinting at an armed confrontation is not the way to go about getting those laws changed. My objection to this act of “civil disobedience” proposed by Kokesh is that it’s not going to help gain support for second amendment rights or motivate any official in DC to feel more comfortable about changing the law.

It may be empowering to the macho types who want to make a dramatic public statement, but most people will merely see it as a stupid violation of DC law and approve of police action to arrest them. Few will see this as standing up against something unjust, and it may assist government in further demonizing pro-gun people as extremists. It may even prompt more states to ban open carry.

We just had a great victory in stopping the latest assault rifle ban, but it’s only a first step. They’ll be back for more gun control and every misstep the movement makes which makes us look even more radical will only help the gun grabbers, so let’s be wise about carrying weapons in public. ...

-Bloatedtoad

Kokesh crossing the Potomac

But he's no Caesar

Good luck with that, sure hope he doesn't F@CK things up for the rest of us pro-2A

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RON PAUL 2012

Thank you

I like what Joel has to say, and he says it well.

I'd take a bullet for Ron Paul.