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Lexington and Concord. The fight that never happened.

IMAGINE. Lexington and Concord had never happened. Imagine if colonial Americans had argued that to stand up to the British armed with weapons at the Lexington Green was an act of insurrection detrimental in reestablishing peaceful relations with the mother country, and that if the patriots had simply surrendered their arms it would have been an isolated incident affecting only the Boston-land area and not the other colonies, like Katrina or the Boston bombing lock-down.

One of the clearest memories I have in high school is when one of my history teachers said she believed that Colonial Americans, “..didn’t have it that bad.” That they were a bunch of white men complaining about taxes. And maybe she was right. Maybe it would have been a passing event like Katrina where everything went back to normal after the initial chaos. Maybe this is why so many in the Continental Congress were upset with the Bostonians of Massachusetts.

Many of you will say, this is not 1775 that it is not that bad. Well what is it about illegal wars, torturing of prisoners, arming of blood thirsty drug cartels, entire city blocks of people being unconstitutionally forced from their homes at Katrina and Boston, indefinite detention, and the MURDER OF A 16 YEAR OLD AMERICAN BOY lead you to believe it isn't? Like Ron Paul said, we are well beyond what the Founders had to endure short of having armed soldiers quartered in our homes.

Many like to think of the Founding Fathers as some ominous blob of men who all held the exact same beliefs.. But they didn’t! They argued as bitterly as those of us within the liberty movement do today, and since the announcement of an armed march on Washington D.C. by Adam Kokesh many in the liberty movement have been at each others' throats as to whether such a march is prudent.


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Now imagine if the patriots had never assembled at Lexington. Imagine if some within their ranks argued the same sentiment as those of us who oppose Adam’s march on D.C. and said that it was too dangerous to the movement and that they could instead argue their case in court and get their guns back by petitioning the king. Imagine that it failed. Imagine that the patriots had taken the “prudent” path and that the local authorities had passed a law banning guns in the Boston area but not the rest of the colonies. The American Revolution would have been dead in its tracks...

Well such a situation has already passed incrementally like a frog boiling to death in a slowly heated pot. We have been disarmed in areas such as California, Chicago (my home) and New York, and D.C. We are the modern day examples of this scenario painted out before you. Because remember.. Lexington & Concord was an isolated event like the Cook County, IL assault weapons ban. It was something that affected only the Boston-land area which is why many Americans were upset with Boston's "rash" behavior, even by those who were initially opposed to the crown. So don't be fooled. Those who think the Founding Fathers would of waited for a nation-wide gun ban are sorely mistaken. The disarming of Boston was a disarming of all Americans, so too is the disarming of Chicago and New York a disarming of America as well.

We are the lost battles of Lexington and Concord.

Many argue we are winning. Well many of those who say such things don’t live in these very places; these very ghettos. We live our lives day in and day out unable to peacefully walk our neighborhoods without threats from armed gang-bangers or being harassed by the police who act with impunity, while the politicians suck us dry through absurd laws and taxes.

Like Suzanna Hupp I do not have the time to wait years for a judicial ruling on “assault weapons” or open/concealed carry in Cook Country, IL. All it takes is one incident from now until then to have our world turned upside down by some criminal. And like Suzanna I would rather live with a felony offensive on my head than have my freedom or my family’s lives taken by some psycho. We have no hope since our very neighbors support these very politicians because they have been brainwashed with collectivism and socialism.

Those who oppose Adam’s march are like those Americans of 1775 who felt themselves disconnected with the plight of Boston. They are happy so long as they have THEIR guns and their rights, but to hell with Chicago or New York.

Let it be made crystal clear that the Feds don’t need an outright ban on all guns like in Australia. They can merely regulate guns to the point that all firearms of tactical significance would be outlawed; thus making possibility of armed resistance impossible. Imagine if the Afghans had fought the Soviets purely with bolt action rifles instead of Ak-47’s.

I foresee two outcomes. Either the march goes as planned and the D.C. police are ordered to stand down, or a few of those in the front of the march get arrested while the rest disperse and then we have a NATIONAL hearing on this issue in front of the Supreme Court. So it's a win-win situation.

I personally do not believe any provocateurs will be unleashed. As much as the globalists hate America they are not yet willing to kill the goose that laid the golden egg over guns, while the majority of Americans are still zoned out zombies who do nothing but watch football and allow the Feds to run their illegal wars. Why? Because America is their muscle in keeping all the other countries of the United Nations (and thus the world) in line. Remember they do not micromanage anything they simply organize the organizers and don’t want to lose their place in the world stage since even the globalist grip is not an absolute one.

So I ask you to remember those of us who live in Fascist-America and support Adam’s march on the District of Criminals. We need your help. Do not view it as marching on D.C. Instead view it as liberating Lexington and Concord!

For those of you who still are hesitant because of the possibility of danger remember that we shall not be the instigators of any violence, all who attend are to peacefully surrender or disperse if confronted. I sympathize with your apprehensions but do not let such a possibility lead you to cowardice.


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Instead remember the brave words of Patrick Henry,
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me liberty, or give me
Death!”

Where those foresee apocalypse, I see hope. While I live let me have a country! A FREE country.
Your fellow brother and patriot from Chicago.


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I said it on a previous,

I said it on a previous, similar post, and I'll say it again...

we are not at 1776 yet, not even 1773. We are before the pilgrims even got onto the boats to escape the tyranny.

its not time yet for this.

And again as I said in my

And again as I said in my previous post. What is so different from 1775 from today? You make the British sound as if they were some foreign people like the Russians. They weren't! The British were us and we were them! And today were are occupied by the modern day British known as the Feds and all the other local socialist governements like in Chicago.
Like Ron Paul said, we are BEYOND what the Founding Fathers had to deal with under the British. They would be rolling over in their graves if they could see this.
The only thing we're missing is having soldiers quartered in our houses.
What about indefinite detention, torchering of prisoners, arming cartels, and having 16 YEAR OLD BOY MURDERED lead you to believe that it isn't worse?
But then again he was a brown muslim so I guess it doesn't hold as much weight now does it?
As the saying went, they did not speak out for the Jews because they weren't jews. They didn't speak out for the communist because they weren't communist, by the time they came for them it was too late.
So they kill a 16 yr old muslim and people say it isnt that bad because they're not muslim.

This is not 1776

And there are no British occupational forces to defeat. Should you base your assumptions and methods on a conflict of interests, removed in time by over two hundred years, your not living in reality.

The problems facing this Republic are not in isolation, and are no different from the same issues existing in Europe and other Western countries, all be it in various stages of development.
This is not a game, a battle, or simply a show of force to win the day.

What is needed to roll back this creeping, insideous disease, is the intervention of individuals in high profile places, to recognise and support change from within, people that have the opportunity and the ability to draw attention... exactly what is happening at this time, and increasing in momentum, and support.

Whether you do or do not support one mans' gung-ho vision of winning hearts and minds of an apathetic population is irrevelant. The outcome, either way, will be decided by the perception of these very same people..not the best judge in it's current, illinformed state.
The status quo and the MSM will propagandize the outcome, irrespective of the action they adopt, as an armed insurgency against a duly elected gov'ment, and they have prior notice and absolute control of how this will play out.

Should you want to promote and support others to follow this course of action, that is your affair, but be aware that there is much to loose and little to gain by it. Also by promoting this demonstration, more aptly described as a show of force because that's what it is, then you should make sure you accept the responsibility for the safety and well-being of those that follow, and the responsibly of the ultimate outcome.

Many believe that this is the wrong time, the wrong place and the wrong action to be taking. In light of that circumatance, tell those individuals one thing...What is to be gained by this armed march, given what is at stake..what exactly is to be gained??.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
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FREEDOM that's what!!! The

FREEDOM that's what!!!
The freedom to live without fear of being assasinated or disappeared.

again I doubt you live in the

again I doubt you live in the ghettos of chicago. We've been occupied by a socialist government for years and suffer the most from this.
Take a walk through our neighborhoods unarmed during the twilight hours and see what happens to you. Then maybe you won't asked what is to be gained? We live with the fear. My friend even had his car torched right in front of his house once.
And what if it was your 16 yr old son who was killed by Obama? You wouldn't be so apprehensive then now would you??
Your sentiments echo that of John Dickens and is understood. If we were to of lived in 1775 I bet you would of argued against fighting the crown or even having had the militia make a stand that fateful day.

I'm not your enemy

I understand your frustration and I personally do what I can to effect change, like many others that feel as you do. Others that see change in the making and an incremental awaking that is gathering momentum, that may soon become a flood, without a shot heard around the world.

I'm not John Dickens, and this is not 1775. Should it be so, I'd condone the line in the sand, and stand beside you when it was crossed..

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

And how many people have to

And how many people have to be kidnapped, killed by drone strikes, or killed by no knock search warrants before we have that momentum??

You fail to understand

That such visibly threatening action as you support cannot be successful as long as the greater population, through misguided loyality, ignorance and vested interest, support and condone the actions of the PTB, in the name of safety and security.
You would be playing into their hands, simple as that, to act, control, manipulate and spin your actions any way they want, to reinforce that public perception.

That's what needs to change, and that is exactly what is begining to happen with every new establishment scandal that emerges.
March by all means, take megaphones and ask 'them' those questions, but don't take guns.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Just because half the

Just because half the population don't like you standing up for your liberties wasn't enough a reason to cowar to them for the Founding Fathers.
And if it's at the point where you're that scared of them then drastic actions like these have to be taken because then we're obviously not winning.. especially when they can disappear people at will now and murder 16 year old kids.
This is as Adam says a show a force to all the socialist politicians and sheeple that back them up.
Many said Rosa Park's standing up to the white man was wrong, that it was ill timed, and that little would be gained by unleashing the white man's fury. But it wasn't, because after winning a civil war that supposedly freed slaves and ww2 that supposedly was a just war against world tyranny she wanted to show the hypocrisy of the U.S. The supposed home of the free.
Had she done such an act before such victories then yes it may of been ill timed and she probably would of been a very dead lady.
But with the recent wins in court cases such as in D.C. and Chicago we now have this very chance to fight back and stand of on a NATIONAL level and change the minds of people.
And we have to do so before it's too late or we will quicly lose this. Because they're quickly pushing back in places like NY where you can only have 7 round magazines.

I see

Just two things, one it's not half the population, more like over two thirds of it. The other thing is those who push this march invariably tag those who disagree as cowards, weak and afraid. Well there's no cowards here. Those who don't agree, have good reason for taking that stance.

Most of what you say is perfectly correct, there's just one issue..
you say 'armed march', I say be smart, leave the guns at home.

Edit: I see AK has now cancelled DC plans.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

And again, your view would be

And again, your view would be different if it was YOUR SON that was drone striked.

Wrong. After seeing this

Wrong. After seeing this election of how Mitt Romney actually held the popular vote it is clear that at least half the Country supports the right to bear arms, even if it's purely because of the left right paradigm. Not to mention that every state except Illinois has some form of concealed carry.
Now are more than 2/3rd stuck in the left right paradigm on other issues? Yes
But on guns.. NO.
It's a clear 50/50

again I doubt you live in the

..

What is the plan?

How are you going to prevent being bottled up, disarmed, and arrested? The bridge will be a convenient place for the DHS and Washington police to throw up barracades in front and behind, then process you like so many caught fish.

Tactically, this plan has failure written all over it. I don't doubt your bravery or your intentions. I doubt your wisdom.

Everyone attending knows the

Everyone attending knows the consequence. If that happens then so be it. We get arrested.
But personally I don't think they'd do it because they know corraling people gets them aggravated. They're more scared of us then we are of them.
People who've been to armed open carry marches in states where it's legal will tell you the police are much more respectful at such events as opposed to Occupy Wallstreet events where they bash everyone's head in.
I think they'll simply push us back into Virginia.

Well Said!

Well Said!

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There is much I would like to write in reply to this post, as is

often true with other posts, but I must be brief due to time constraints and risk being misunderstood; as is often true with brief comments to other posts.

Some assumptions about our DP group generally and on this topic particularly are made by myself prior to commenting including:

-We all* wish to achieve the same basic end goals summarized by, "... restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America".
We all* wish for this to be achieved in the fastest, most practical, least costly manner possible given the circumstances and realities we face. Understandably, we each have different views on what exactly are our current circumstances and realities which shape our individual views on what course is FASTEST, MOST PRACTICAL and LEAST COSTLY while still Guaranteeing ultimate success and ensuring we DO NOT take a course that causes the Liberty Movement to be permanently destroyed.

*We All-Meaning those here that in fact and truly are "down with" our goals. This obviously excludes from "we all" those that a) Seek to destroy the Liberty Movement or b) have alternate agendas and seek to guide the momentum of the LM toward that alternate destination. Those people are here at the DP and have been since almost the beginning.

-Those FOR this action, support and understand the nature of LIBERTY and therefore understand and accept that the LIBERTY to dissent is an essential element of LIBERTY. While supporters will naturally be frustrated with those that do not see the light on a this action they see with perfect clarity as the proper course, they will accept, at a minimum, that those "With Us" that express anything less than full-throated support do so with the same noble intent, shared movement goals, as those that are enthusiastically on-board.

-OP, I know you mean well with your analogy to L and C sincerely believe this march is analogous to L&C but there are many critical differences. The circumstances and realities we face now are vastly different than those faced by the Founders. Some particularly critical differences to highlight and ponder, among myriad considerations, prior to taking an action that very many believe, many wish and very possibly could be the Second "Shot heard round the World":

1. The British Marched into Patriot-Land at L and C not the other way round as in this planned march. The Brits were the "Aggressors" the "Instigators". In this "plan" it will be easy to present the Marchers as the Aggressors/Instigators, to those we wish to influence to our side, because that will be the fact-the Marchers are the ones initiating this action.

2. The military tech disparity as well as the other opposing forces disparity matters were relatively minor in favor of the Brits when compared with the disparity we face now.

3. Many great minds, including many great MILITARY minds had formally pondered, debated, prepped, planned and coordinated for L and C and the all the likely aftermath scenarios. In this case, AK has apparently been essentially his own counsel-correct me if you know different.

Related to this point; many hope this will be the next L and C, the event that will begin an armed revolt. If so, who will be the Field General of that armed revolt? Kokesh? A non-combat arms Marine Corporal? Hitler was a combat arms German Army(Wehrmacht) Corporal, his war leadership did not go well. Also, AK's stated contingency plans say nothing about how he plans to proceed in that scenario. He does not even mention the L and C aftermath scenario. Does he consider that possible? Has he considered that at all?

4. At the time of L and C, the opposition, was across the pond(at a time when that pond was much bigger than today) with a relative beachhead presence on this side of the pond. Today we are completely and totally "OCCUPIED" by the opposition.

5. The mass media situation, as well as the mass media audience situation was very different and vastly more favorable to the Patriots efforts at the time of L and C than that which we now face. I am assuming I do not need to go into further detail on that point.

Many more points to be made on this issue but I have gone far beyond brief.

Two comments in closing.

OP what is keeping you from staging your own individual protest, march in your neck of the woods. Why not go armed in defiance of your local restrictions. Is your hope that others marching armed against another localities restrictions will LIBERATE you in your locale?

To all for this action:

Please spend one whole day pondering how things will play out if this action does become the L and C of our time. The modern version of the "Shot heard round the World" that initiates a no shit shooting war.

Are we ready for that? Are you ready for that? How would that go? How do you envision that going. Have you spent a lot of time pondering that; how it would go, how to proceed to ensure success? Is success in that scenario possible, likely, iffy? How so? Please post your comments on how that would play out. How it would play out with us prevailing. How that would play out with us prevailing and prevailing with less effort/cost/pain/blood/sweat/tears than the RP blueprint.

I never liked the word activist, though many seem to like it and wish to be one. I do not like the word activist because the common perception is that term only applies to individuals that are overtly acting/moving.

Is someone that is quietly working to win over one person at a time not an activist? Are their actions not actions?

They enemy that carries their banner openly is known to all. Is our situation better suited for keeping our banner less obvious. less known.

Did the opponents we now face achieve their current status by carrying their banner openly? Were their greatest gains achieved by their overt actions or by their covert actions?

Do the most energetic among our number serve the cause best by hoping to achieve cause celeb status sitting in jail, disarmed, identified, cataloged to be constantly monitored or even by having their further activities made impossible by becoming deceased?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

You're dam right we're ready

You're dam right we're ready for that. It is us who live in facist America, the pockets of shit like Chicago and New York, that suffer the most from this corruption. Who deal with the gangs and poverty of the system and fight to put food on the table. Food that's not even healthy most of the time and littered with GMO garbage because it is the cheapest we can afford due to lack of cheap alternatives within the urban city.
The Feds passed the lines the day they killed a AMERICAN boy without due process in the name of fighting terrorism!!
They have supplied cartels with weapons who kill my fellow people and brethren in Mexico.
They disappear Americans at will now and it is this fact which should scare you the most. Because they only have to disappear you once and we may never hear from you again.

I believe you missed the point of the analogy. I see you repeated the talking poin that at Lexington and Concord the British came at us first. Well Chicago and New York we are the LOST battles of L & C because the local authorities have come after our weapons and disarmed us with the complicitness of the Feds. To march on any piece of Illinois with a weapon is impossible because it's banned state wide. Marching against D.C. is tacticaly more sound because we have a staging point on Virginia. And if they start arresting people we can quickly withdraw back. It will get more media attention and will DAMN sure get a supreme court hearing as opposed to it happening in another state like IL.
But like the colonists from other colonies you feel yourself disconnected from our plight like they did towards Boston.

You're dam right we're ready

You're dam right we're ready for that. It is us who live in facist America, the pockets of shit like Chicago and New York, that suffer the most from this corruption. Who deal with the gangs and poverty of the system and fight to put food on the table. Food that's not even healthy most of the time and littered with GMO garbage because it is the cheapest we can afford due to lack of cheap alternatives within the urban city.
The Feds passed the lines the day they killed a AMERICAN boy without due process in the name of fighting terrorism!!
They have supplied cartels with weapons who kill my fellow people and brethren in Mexico.
They disappear Americans at will now and it is this fact which should scare you the most. Because they only have to disappear you once and we may never hear from you again.

I believe you missed the point of the analogy. I see you repeated the talking poin that at Lexington and Concord the British came at us first. Well Chicago and New York we are the LOST battles of L & C because the local authorities have come after our weapons and disarmed us with the complicitness of the Feds. To march on any piece of Illinois with a weapon is impossible because it's banned state wide. Marching against D.C. is tacticaly more sound because we have a staging point on Virginia. And if they start arresting people we can quickly withdraw back. It will get more media attention and will DAMN sure get a supreme court hearing as opposed to it happening in another state like IL.
But like the colonists from other colonies you feel yourself disconnected from our plight like they did towards Boston.

You're dam right we're ready

You're dam right we're ready for that. It is us who live in facist America, the pockets of shit like Chicago and New York, that suffer the most from this corruption. Who deal with the gangs and poverty of the system and fight to put food on the table. Food that's not even healthy most of the time and littered with GMO garbage because it is the cheapest we can afford due to lack of cheap alternatives within the urban city.
The Feds passed the lines the day they killed a AMERICAN boy without due process in the name of fighting terrorism!!
They have supplied cartels with weapons who kill my fellow people and brethren in Mexico.
They disappear Americans at will now and it is this fact which should scare you the most. Because they only have to disappear you once and we may never hear from you again.

I believe you missed the point of the analogy. I see you repeated the talking poin that at Lexington and Concord the British came at us first. Well Chicago and New York we are the LOST battles of L & C because the local authorities have come after our weapons and disarmed us with the complicitness of the Feds, who's sole job is to protects our rights.
But like the colonists from other colonies you feel yourself disconnected from our plight like they did towards Boston.

You're dam right we're ready

You're dam right we're ready for that. It is us who live in facist America, the pockets of shit like Chicago and New York, that suffer the most from this corruption. Who deal with the gangs and poverty of the system and fight to put food on the table. Food that's not even healthy most of the time and littered with GMO garbage because it is the cheapest we can afford due to lack of cheap alternatives within the urban city.
The Feds passed the lines the day they killed a AMERICAN boy without due process in the name of fighting terrorism!!
They have supplied cartels with weapons who kill my fellow people and brethren in Mexico.
They disappear Americans at will now and it is this fact which should scare you the most. Because they only have to disappear you once and we may never hear from you again.

I believe you missed the point of the analogy. I see you repeated the talking poin that at Lexington and Concord the British came at us first. Well Chicago and New York we are the LOST battles of L & C because the local authorities have come after our weapons and disarmed us with the complicitness of the Feds, who's sole job is to protects our rights.
But like the colonists from other colonies you feel yourself disconnected from our plight like they did towards Boston.

These are good points.

Somewhere though, we will eventually have to confront the fact that we can't have two competing conceptions of the rule of law. Either the constitution is the highest law of the land and needs to be respected as such, or it is not.

Is allowing the contradiction to continue unopposed longer going to work out better in the long run?

My feeling is that just forcing the contradiction to a head is the victory. Agree with him or not, Adam is choosing a path that does this. I suspect he will also do his damnedest to make it as peaceful and orderly as possible. The event may even displace a less orderly conflict in a more volatile future.

I don't think the marchers

I don't think the marchers want to start a war but if the police are brave enough to start shooting at 1000 armed men then I believe some will shoot back. Only about one quarter of one per cent of the US population are cops. If there are a couple hundred killed on both sides and that starts a bigger war then it appears to me that the cops will lose a war of attrition very quickly.

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My sentiments exactly ... see you in D.C.

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2/3 of America rejected fighting against the king

During colonial times, 67% of people were firmly against fighting the King. I wonder if it was higher in years prior to "The Stamp Act"?

Is gun control the new "Stamp Act"? If not, is there another modern metaphor and what is it?

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Are you certain of that?

http://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1398

I believed the myth too until I dug further and discovered that it had been soundly debunked.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Soundly debunked as it is miss quoted from John Adams,

or soundly debunked from the perspective that it was not a minority? I appreciate the fact that it may have been popularized as a minority movement to stroke the egos of few intellectuals but, if you think about it, probably neither are entirely true. A movement probably starts with a few people doing stuff and saying stuff and then a lot of people following suit.

How anyone could ever know

How anyone could ever know the true numbers is beyond me. But if colonial America was the same as modern day America I would say that the minority myth was no myth at all.
I bet the majority of them gave a rats ass back then the way we do now.
The same way most Americans don't give 2 shits about politics until presidential elections and then they all of a sudden become political philosophers. smh

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And I am sure...

That the act of projecting your own own current feelings on the past can be used to replace relevant historical fact.

"Bet" all you want, and guess a bit more, but we DO have ACTUAL historical texts for a reason.

Do historical texts provide "all" the answers? Of course not, but they do provide a damn bit more than you "guessing they were like we are today and so must have been X".

You can apply what you know from other areas to help fill in gaps, not to replace actual history.

Next time, it might be helpful to read the link before dismissing it.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/