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What we're up against - a progressive lets his guard down.

An Obama supporter responded to a post of mine criticizing Obama's Drone policy. This is the kind of person we are up against. I think we should expose this thought, which they rarely come clean with publicly.

Being a progressive puts 'progress' in the game. Standing with Tibetans, Islamics and Evangelicals is standing with regressive, conservative, mysogynist, homophobic, xenophobic, feudal anachronisms that hurt their people first and foremost. When China takes Tibetan children away from prayer, dead language and non-existent economy to a classroom to learn Mandarin,
Math, Science that gives the child what progress leads to 'a future'. Monks setting themselves on fire is a distressing photo-op, but a decent solution to their obsolescence.

Israel is a place that is friendly to modernity and secularism, that produces and manages its own role. The idea that 9/11 where I buried 9 friend's and watched buildings my
Mother worked in for decades come crumbling down on brokers, clerks, messengers and security guards innocently trying to make a living is somehow our fault because cult like lunatics wish to operate oppressive hate factories over a quarter of the Earths surface with impunity is not cause to blame the moderns. Shall we blame America and its Government for the deaths of OKC federal bldg since the aggrieved killer lashed out at secular, immigrant, taxation and other elements of modernity that cramp the style of race specific faithful in American heartland?

Of course not. The three dangers to modernity are Islam, Evangelicalism and Feudalism which is fueled, literally, by carbon interests.

Identifying the difference between a man, Dubya, who believes in the 'clash of civilizations' nonsense and wants to expand the reach of faith and carbon and Barack, a secular man of law who wants to kill those who kill innocents and give the citizens of Islam and Heartland both a chance at the wonders of Modernity is to be data-refusing hide bound dogmatic.

So what do you think

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Sounds commonplace to me.

I've heard variations on this given by a number of kooky youtube personalities who support Barack Obama and the general progressive cause. It's actually pretty common in the general youtube atheist community, though it constitutes a narrow majority and there is a sizable minority of pro-liberty secular thinkers who aren't big on foreign interventionism or blind support to Israel in the name of a secular Mid-East.

But as far as I'm concerned, this is the mantra of an admitted intellectual reprobate. These are the sort of people whom, if I were running the country, would have their citizenship and ability to vote revoked, and would probably be candidates for permanent deportation. This sort of thought should be exiled to North Korea where it belongs.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Well, it's not especially well-written!

Hmmmmm....

There's a sort of *smell* here....

(I suppose it would be helpful to see the piece to which this "author" is responding.)

What would the Founders do?

Can you provide information...

as to who this was that posted this? I would love to have the opportunity to respond.

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Progressives are cowards

What they most fear is the possibility of their own personal freedom, the insecurity that they might have to someday suffer the consequences of their own ill-thought actions. Much better to "progress" away from any consequences, and shield themselves from scrutiny by proscribing forced actions on others. No better way to do that than through the use of government force and coercion. Their one and only holy church.

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RON PAUL 2012

sounds like this person has a huge gripe with religion

He used the word "secular" way too many times. He probably comes from a religious family and is rebelling against his parents.

But this part is telling:
"When China takes Tibetan children away from prayer, dead language and non-existent economy to a classroom to learn Mandarin,
Math, Science that gives the child what progress leads to 'a future'. Monks setting themselves on fire is a distressing photo-op, but a decent solution to their obsolescence."

Usually liberals are all about Free Tibet, as even they recognize the naked oppression the Chinese impose on the Tibetans. Not this genius , though. For him, the ends justify the means. He would probably push a button to kill all the imams, if given a choice. As Bastiat would say, he wants to play God. He knows what's best for others. Just another moron, and an asshole to boot. He would fit right in with Mao's Red Guard, cleansing the land of backwards monks and intellectuals.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

The opposite of religion is not another religion

This is my problem with statists, whether socialists or progressives(aka fascists) who have deluded themselves into thinking they are atheists.

If worshiping god is bad, how is worshiping politicians possibly any better? This guy believes some men have enough knowledge that they can better rule other men than those men can acting in liberty.

Aside from the logical and ethical absurdity of this proposition, as TJ so eloquently put it:

Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? - Thomas Jefferson

FFS what the hell else do you need to read?

But if that were not enough, brilliant men such as Mises and Hayek have shown it's not just a question of needing to find paragons of moral rectitude, which of course don't exist, but even if you could they cannot possibly know better than men acting individually and freely. Central planning isn't just evil, it's must always be less efficient than free men acting freely.

Rational atheists do not replace worship of god with worship of man. They just don't worship.

If they worship man, ie statolaters, they are, imo, far worse and more dangerous than Christians, because at lease a perfect entity in the heaven has the benefit of being logically unfalsifiable.

Perfect men on earth is readily falsifiable. Statism is the most debased and dangerous religion of all, far worse than Islam.

i dont have anything against

i dont have anything against progress of humanity, whether that be spiritually, idealogically, or technologically.

What i do have a problem, is the way it gets done, and the current, end justifies the means mentality......its really not, the "means" currently employed means there will never be an end, unless, and this is why people, or myself at least, feel the need the urge sometimes, to speak up, because this is the only way i see it even having a chance at succseding, and that is, wiping out, persecuting, or kidnapping those who would speak up against the natural destruction of human rights such a "means" entails......ignoring, or pretending thats not the case, will only guarantee, that end will never come, untill the ones in "charge" drop the pretence of a "democracy" and take the steps we know they'll have to take, the steps that go through their minds, the steps that sacrifice rights, for unspecified progress, unconsidred progress.......that is how i currently see the current system anyway

I think this person is a fool

I'd like the address the "9/11 is our fault" comment. I'd agree that 9/11 is NOT the fault of the USA. The fault is on the people that committed the crime because that is what the word "fault" means (responsible for wrongdoing).

With that said, 9/11 is partially a consequence of US actions in the Middle East. You can't keep supporting oppressive regimes, blowing up countries, and giving terrorists free weapons and think we are going to come out on the good end of it all. It's like going to a NASCAR race, yelling to everyone that they are stupid rednecks, and being mad when you get the sh*t beat of you. Yeah, they have no right to beat you up and they are at fault but it obviously was going to happen.

Contrary to popular belief, the Middle East isn't filled with a bunch of crazy people. Lunatics, such as Bin Laden, only gain power by looking like they are right, even if they are not. So when Bin Laden goes out and tells some goat herder that the USA wants to take their land and rape their children the goat herder says "whatever" until some off-course missile blows up his family and goats. All of a sudden the lunatic doesn't seem so crazy (even though he is) and he gains a supporter. The goat herder isn't going to try to see the "overall good" you are trying to do; all they see is their dead family and dead livelihood. If you stop giving lunatics reasons to gain support they will not gain support and just be lone lunatics (and while still dangerous, they are much easier to deal with).

So yeah, 9/11 and the Ok City Bombing are not the fault of the US but certainly a consequence of poor actions by the US.

Sooooo...

Islam, Evangelicalism and Feudalism are bad, bad, bad and the solution is to help modernize those of the Islam culture...only those...the Evangelicals (GW Bush people, an erroneous comparison) and the Feudalists (in truth, the current administration, if honesty was popular) should be silenced and destroyed.

That's sounds like the brain-washed drivel of late.

And the progress of progressive is double-speak for oppression (and a free cell phone).

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Wise

It absolutely is double-speak. There is nothing more oppressive than someone telling you they know how to run your life better than you do. This is exactly the "progressive" mind set.

Progressivism is based upon pure selfishness caused by the belief that oneself is the most powerful force. They never want to serve humanity, they want to dictate to humanity (which oddly enough they believe is a "service").

It's sick.

I think I understand now. To

I think I understand now. To gauge which party to support in a conflict we should be looking for the society which is more modern! All this time I have been looking at ridiculous things like principles of self ownership, the golden rule, and basic human morality.

Seriously, I have no idea how to actually reconcile this with the real world. I find it especially ironic that the author of this drivel is trying to sound as intelligent as possible in order to sell this idea that we must value modernity above all.

He mocks religion, but worships "modernity". Seriously, replace the word modern with 'allah', or 'jesus' and read it again.

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I don't think this is letting his guard down. This is their manifesto. What do you think they say explicitly? This is it!

JUDAISM

where is JUDAISM in that long anti-gentile rant?

christianity - bad
islam - bad
buddhism - bad

oh wait, i forgot, just like Bolshevik Russia, where antisemitism was punished by death and not ONE synagogue was torn (while thousands of churches were destroyed), in the U.S.S.A, Judaism is the fuel and the ideal of modernity.

Leon Bronstein, Laza kaganovich, Lavrenti Beria, Josef Dzugashvili, Vladimir Lenin, Genrich Yagoda and Karl Marx would be proud.

i smell jew.

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Is this guy an actual

Is this guy an actual "leftie" or is he just a nutcase?

I'll give $10,000 to the first person who can convincingly parse this sentence:

"The idea that 9/11 where I buried 9 friend's and watched buildings my
Mother worked in for decades come crumbling down on brokers, clerks, messengers and security guards innocently trying to make a living is somehow our fault because cult like lunatics wish to operate oppressive hate factories over a quarter of the Earths surface with impunity is not cause to blame the moderns."

You need the rest of the conversation

But basically, he is saying that blowback is not a valid explanation for 911, since if the Arabs were intelligent modern people they would recognize that our intervention in the middle east was for their own good, and not be mad about it. He is saying that fundamentally the problem is stupid muslims.

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LOL. Nail, meet Hammer!

LOL. Nail, meet Hammer!

I'll take the challenge if (and only if) :

1) you make it $1,000,000,000 in TODAY's USD (I know, I'm cheap)

and

2) I get to drug you (by force) any way I see fit, BEFORE I make the case (that it can be "parsed")

Notice how I apply liberal / progressivethieves "principles" on both points of my demand, btw.

Deal?

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Message to forward to your progressive, if you wish

Tell your progressive:

he and his friends bullies, they can come, some day, to get my guns.

Any time. They'll get my bullets FIRST.

I'm nobody's bitch or lamb to be slaughtered without a fight.

Welcome To The U.S.S.A.

http://www.dailypaul.com/287004

Remember Katyn

http://www.dailypaul.com/284901

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

First this dummy blames

First this dummy blames "Tibetans, Islamics and Evangelicals" then he concludes with "Dubya, who believes in the 'clash of civilizations' nonsense"....which is it because it seems like he actually agrees with Dubya. He's not even a good little lefty because he doesn't at least pretend to want to save the helpless Tibetans or downtrodden. His religion is the modern state, and likely a one world government with databases and kill lists. You know, because Barack just wants to "kill those who kill innocents"...so I guess he wants to kill the Chinese who kills and kidnaps the Tibetans...but hey, then how will the Tibetans learn Mandarin and become modern? Sheesh, who can keep track of the crazy lefty logic?

Sounds like you're one of

Sounds like you're one of those backward types supporting those damn Tibetans... :)

Just tell him Socialists are all squak and no chicken.

It's been my experience that liberals talk good, but are way slow on the follow through. They want you to change your carbon footprint, they want you to give up your gun, they want you to not throw grandma under the bus, but they reserve the right to not participate.
Liberals are very good at holding us up to our own moral standards, but they themselves a predisposed to not having one.
Do some homework and preconstruct a blog comparing Dubya with Obama on the things ( like wars, campaign donors, FED, etc. ) that they both have in common, then ask the obvious question, why are they hypocrites ?

I get to sup with my B-in-Law, a States Attorney from Cali tomorrow, he's a died in the wool liberal wanabee, smart and tacit, and as fun to be around as a hernia. It doesn't help that his wife is a socialist dingbat, who's so far out in left field she thinks she's catching the game. Wish me well, I intend to ask him several pointed questions about recient events in California.

God Bless
Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Obama, "the secular man of law" has killed less

children than Dubya....but he did kill them more efficiently..... So, I'd have to say, Yikes. This guy is a thoroughly indoctrinated nut job. Perhaps, one day he'll get to be on the receiving end of those "wonders of Modernity" that are so graciously handed out by the obama's of the world.

Obama's my hee-roe

He's got a can of gas and a lighter and he means business. Obama is ready to torch the village in order to save it, and progressives (Maoists/Leninists) have got his back.

Seems like you've run across one of those "Godless Communists" we hear about from time to time. If you engage this person long enough, you'll find them endorsing forced sterilization, infantcide, health care death panels, deliberate indoctrination in schools using falsehoods, totalitarian destruction of freedom to speak and to read; it will never end.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

2 Key Takeaways

Two key takeways from this rant, that immediately jumped out at me:

China takes Tibetan children away from prayer, dead language and non-existent economy to a classroom to learn Mandarin,
Math, Science that gives the child what progress leads to 'a future'.

translate: "Kidnapping children from their ancient, peaceful and profound culture by force by a Tyrannical State, in order to cleanse them of that culture and indoctrinate them into subservience of the State is a Good Thing.

Subservience to the State - ie the will of an Elite Minority - is the highest progress progress because it serves the Greater Good.

Monks setting themselves on fire is a distressing photo-op, but a decent solution to their obsolescence.

translate: "Individuals so desperate from oppression that they will light themselves on fire to alert the world of the suffering of their people is annoying.

"But on further reflection the Individual is as obsolete as their independent culture and freedom. Let them burn."

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Am I the only one that caught this? Or am I reading tea leaves here.

The Arab Spring started with

The Arab Spring started with a young Tunisian vegetable salesman setting himself on fire.

No. You're good.

That's pretty much it. I just couldn't say it so succinctly, in so few words.

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Yeah no I could barely finish reading the rest of the rant

After seeing that at the end of the first paragraph, I was so appalled I could only keep thinking ..

'Did he just actually say what I think he said?! Wow.'

This is some seriously disturbed individual imo.

It's like he can see the propaganda for what it is,

but chooses to accept it anyway.

My question to "progressives"

My question to "progressives" is always: 'toward what are you progressing?' and 'how do you know when you there? Is it because you will no longer be able to progress? Then what will you do?'

That's the main problem with "progress," or "growth" in general. Nobody knows what they're "progressing' or "growing" towards. It's only the process they're actually interested or engaged in. Not any particular destination, or state of maturity.

They're all stuck in the chaotic world of secular moral relativism. Independent holistic conceptual thought and synthesis are foreign to they're understanding and world view, and are demonized as "ideological."

They favor instead, the ever microscopic Platonic search for understanding in singular elements and events whose only relationship to one another is physical or temporal proximity. Any other real relationship is "surprising" and unexpected.

They are indoctrinated in this way of thinking by the cults of the "expert," the "authority," and the "prestigious," to whom they pay continual homage and patronage, and to whom they are, as well, but blind unsuspecting pawns in a great game of servitude to their sectarian masters.

Did I hit the mark?
(might have even hit it a bit too hard, perhaps)

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

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Here is the topology of the brain of your ObaMARX supporter

Here is the topology of the brain of your ObaMARX supporter-progressive correspondant:

Overview - The Full Room Big Picture :

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G063

Elaborated - The Furniture, Closets, Drawers, and Boxes :

http://www.dailypaul.com/280094/to-the-youth#Antagonisms

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Good post.

Reading Bastiat made me realize that this same social scam we're dealing with now has really been going on for a long long time. It makes me think that it's every generation's responsibility to learn from this long-con and shut it down as soon as possible. And then try to give your kids the heads up so they can see it coming in their generation.