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"Amash is being pressured by Ron and Rand Paul to stay out of the Senate race."

Though I somewhat might agree, this is SPECULATIVE, and needs to be fully vetted:

"Amash, the thinking goes, would be better-served as the chief libertarian voice in the lower chamber, rather than risking his young career on a statewide race in which the Democratic nominee would likely be favored."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/blogs/hotlineoncall/2013/04/m...



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imo, Amash should stay in the

imo, Amash should stay in the house and build strength. Maybe work up to speaker. The House is as powerful a position to work for freedom as the Senate.

Amash denies it.

This story is several months old, and Amash immediately claimed it to be false:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/04/jus...

It's looking less likely that establishment favorite Rogers will run, but former SOS Teri Lynn Land just recently announced she's in. I think Amash can beat her in primary & destroy Peters in the general. I really hope he runs, but I understand if he doesn't. Looks like he wants to first make sure he can raise the necessary funds:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/06/ama...

Thanks

Thanks, ground the drones, that is what I was looking for :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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"A staffer for Amash also pushed back on the idea that the Pauls were pressuring him to stay in the House. "There's no basis in truth for that," the aide said."

I am not a fan of Amash.

On one hand, I think he should go for it, not because I believe he would win. I don't believe he would win. Maybe he would win, and then what? He's not with us, he's despite us. His supporters are not with us, but despite us. He's apparently got his own agenda, as do his supporters.

He's making himself to be the target to take out of the race, and even better, ignored.

Granger! Always a drama queen... I'm just curious...

What do you mean that Amash is not with us? And that his supporters are not with us? I always felt Amash stood shoulder to shoulder with Ron Paul.

Many people have stood shoulder to shoulder with RP

Many people stood with RP and then they didn't. Many people attract attention to themselves to further their own agenda standing shoulder to shoulder with a popular person.

Who was the guy to watch in 08/12? Ron Paul.

If you were up and comming at that time, you were able to get the attention you needed to make your name known.

How many people stood with Ron and then didn't? How many stood with Ron but refused to join the GOP, refused to become delegates, refused to get in the Good fight and rather stood back and said, "Let them duke it out".. and then bashed us for the loyalty oaths we had to take to become national delegates? Are they with us? NO.

Those who did not get into the GOP are not with us. That is a fact. And some who did.. like Amash.. are users.. they understand the GOP is a tool. They use the GOP to further their agenda (they are no different than the establishment shills of the GOP).

This article is pitting Amash against Ron and Rand Paul. BAD RON BAD RAND they don't STAND with Amash. BAD granger.. not standing with Amash. Amash supporters are more into Amash than Ron and Rand, and this article makes that obvious.

If Amash has any plan of a future in the GOP, he needs to become a little more humble and either perform like a public servant, as Rand does.. Rand does a great job educating people.. where Ron did a great job waking people up, or move onto the loser Libertarian Party.

What has Amash does besides stand shoulder to shoulder with Ron with it helped him? What about when it doesn't? We get articles like this.

As for your insult about me being a drama queen.. I'm happy to take a back seat for you.

I didn't mean to call you a

I didn't mean to call you a drama queen as an insult. You always seem to mix up the pot, getting everyone heated up. Personally, I like dissenting voices. It helps uncover hidden truths.

Do you have any examples where Amash is not with us? He has a great voting record. I understand how you say that he'll stand w/ Ron Paul only to benefit himself. But do you have any good examples of this? Or do you have any good examples where Amash chose not to stand by Ron Paul because he felt it would hurt himself?

Interesting.

I was not a delegate. But I will remind you of what I DID do:

* I won ALL 3 of Ron Paul delegates in not one, but TWO precincts single handedly.

* I stood by Ron and wrote him in.

While I worked diligently and stood by Ron until the very end and beyond, including going to Tampa to assist the delegates, I FORGET, WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR?

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

What did you do?

You won ALL three RP delegates? What does that mean?

Throwing a vote to someone who isn't on the ballot is a great way to make yourself feel good for accomplishing nothing.

I voted FOR my committee seat, and to do that, I had to be a person of principle and vote the GOP select, Romney.

Had I voted FOR Ron Paul, I would have broken my loyalty oath, committed pergury, not represented my district, and basically made myself out to be a fraud and a liar.

A vote for soemone who was NOT on my ballot was NOT worth that, and what's more.. because I kept my seat I now have a Rand Paul committee, four of whom I was able to get appointed. I'm VERY pleased and sure I did the right thing.

While you may not appreciate that, those of us who actually work to change the GOP, do.

The work you're doing in the

The work you're doing in the GOP is excellent! Keep it up!

I hope people realize that WE ALL need to jump into the party in order to take it over just like the Granger is doing. Do NOT compromise your spot in the party!

We ABSOLUTELY need the number of liberty-minded folks in the party to increase.

Thank you (((((purplefetus)))))

If you scroll down this thread, you will find a post I made to (((PAF))) that explains what I like and don't like about Amash.

I went through all mash's issues, which was easy because he doesn't have many.. it's all cherry picked.. and my biggest issue, has been industrial cannabis for decades.. he has no record on any cannabis issue.. my second issue is Israel.. and we are not in agreement.

Anyways, I go into it about 10 posts below.

It is awesome what has happened to my local GOP. I would have never dreamed such a thing could happen.. it did. It's awesome.

How can you be anymore a fraud and a liar

than you already are?

Loyalty oath's are the creation of Zionists, AKA the GOP!

A Rand Paul Committee, how interesting, since he's not announced anything other than running for Senate.

You're not changing the GOP, you're continuing it!

At the next Commiefornia GOP love fest, someone take a pic of The Granger and post it here so we can all see what a DP traitor looks like.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Ira, come on... it's a bit

Ira, come on... it's a bit harsh. It sounds like Granger got Rand supporters into Committeeman positions. That's a great thing!

We all need to jump into the fascist GOP in order to purge it. The GOP sure ain't going away on its own.

So Granger voted for Romney in the general election...so what? At the end of the day, I am happy to have the Granger in the GOP than not.

Good for you

go ahead and help The Granger rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic!

I was at my state convention, were you? I saw the lying, stealing, cheating thugs in action in 2007 and 2011, did you?

The Granger is perpetuating the fraud, and by extension, so are you. Wake up, Rand is not Ron. He's not playing chess, he's playing along!

Joining the club isn't going to work. You'll see!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

AZ's a tough fight; u might be right...but we still have to try.

We didn't have a state convention : (
We had a boring primary. I was delegate candidate and we lost : (

However, I was able to recruit several dozen Ron Paulers to become GOP County Committeeman : )

That was our only victory and we'll continue to take over the GOP so that we won't have such a hard time winning local positions such as Mayor, Town Council, Sheriff, State Assemblyman. And if we capture enough local GOP towns then we can even take over the Congressman spot. Winning statewide elections is very difficult but if I can use the GOP to nullify from the township and county level, what's wrong with that?

Also while we take over the GOP, we can support Rand. I don't know anyone better than Rand Paul, though, Ira, I'm all ears.

I remember you've faced off with tyranny in Quarzite. I'm always interested in hearing your insight.

Until you've been in a real live fire battle....................

I understand where you are coming from, I truly do!

All I can really say is, good luck trying to improve from within, you're going to need it (lots of it, remember they are psychopaths!)). My advice? Let it die its natural death and you'll be happier for it!

This coming from a guy who turned his entire County into Ron Paul Country!

Take it for what it's worth, to HELL with the zionist watching whores!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

But that's the thing... it

But that's the thing... it (the GOP) won't die : (

Bush destroyed the republican party and even after 2008 it still continues! We NEED to take it over at the local level.

Now if you've turned your entire County into Ron Paul Country...are you able to get a Ron Pauler (or an oather keeper) elected as sheriff? Were you able to get those tyrannical Town Councilmen voted out and get Ron Paulers voted in?

Prepare

the end is near!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Come on, Ira...

What's that supposed to mean?

Just what it means

Do you really think it's going to get any better before it gets much worse?

And no I did not get a constitutional sheriff elected, none ran. (I was asked to run by an influential group but turned it down)The nazi's running my town are still in power. I did get every single one of the committeemen elected who are constitutionalists, but it is not up to me to change the world. I did more than my part and if the people are not going to get involved, I'm not going to try and push a chain uphill. Prepare, it will get worse before it get better.

I'm dusting my feet of this community and moving on. The people here will be left to their own devices. Maybe later they will remember to watch one of the DVD'S I gave them and do something about it. I no longer care what happens here. I only care about myself, my family and my friends!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I totally hear ya. I get

I totally hear ya. I get frustrated when our folks don't take action. It hasn't gotten that bad over here but when it does... I'll likely be in the same state of mind as yourself.

Until things get worse, I gotta keep trying. : |
Stay Strong!

It is working

pull your head out of your behind so you can see.

In your brown eyes I can see how it's working to get

your zio lovers elected. So technically you are correct, in your screwed up version of reality.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I LOVE ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!

Post a picture of yourself and I'll post one of mine. Oh.. that's right, you don't support ((((P AU L))))) You don't contribute to this site, you're a leach.

That's right

you know it all!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Game. Set. Match.

Game. Set. Match.

(((((((( GRANGER ))))))))

Please explain yourself. Vetting of ALL candidates is imperative. If you are DISSING Justin Amash, there had better be damn good reason with damn good evidence. And there had better be damn good sources from where you obtain your information.

Justin is one of us, NOT one of them.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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Amash is vetted. The GOP is well aware who he is, what his background is, and what his issues are.

The GOP is a tool. Many people don't really understand that as well as Amash. Those who say they HATE the GOP, personalize the GOP with lables like, BUSH or NEOCON or TEA PARTY.. or RIGHT WING.. but the GOP, is very much like ((((P AU L)))). Many Republicans have very little in common with each other. We may find bonds in people, for example Ron and Rand Paul, or issues, like restoring the republic to constitutional republic rather than UN global democratic government, or developing a hemp industry, but not ALL Republicans agree with each other on people or issues.

As a Republican, I am aware that many of Amash's supporters are NOT republicans, hate the party, so they don't support the party, or the people, or the issues. What's in it for the GOP to elevate Amash? NOTHING. Amash is not going to get his supporters to support Ron and Rand Paul Republicans. Amash is for Amash, not for Republicans but for his own agenda. His supporters think that's great. Republicans, Ron and Rand Paul Republicans included, are not impressed.

This article for example is an attack on Ron and Rand Paul. Amash doesn't hold a candle to either, and at the rate he's going, he never will.

Cheers.

(*&%^##$(&^%$ GRANGER *(*(&^$))*()#^&@%$@)_!_)&()$%#(*

It is completely obvious that the only reason you are here is to further the GOP's agenda so you can get ahead in the party.

??????thalastbill????????

And what is the GOP agenda?