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The Rise of the Next Anti-Christ

"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."---George Santayana.

Over the years a debate has raged between Christian scholars and anti-Christians that "Hitler was/was not a Christian".

It's ludicrous to claim that someone who ruthlessly murdered millions was a Christian, isn't it?

Both sides, in the debate, support themselves with documentation from speeches/writings made before and after the Nazi's rise to power. This includes Hitler's own autobiography, "Mein Kampf".

It seems what's missing from both sides in the debate is this:

During Hitler's rise to power he deceived German Christians with Pro-Christian rhetoric. After the Nazi party came to power, Hitler made many statements denouncing Christianity. Hitler was simply a propagandist that used his own lies to gain power, through the use of his nationalist and religious zeal in writings and speeches.

Both sides of the debate:
http://www.davnet.org/kevin/essays/hitler.html
http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/hitler.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

In all likelihood the next Anti-Christ will proclaim themselves to be a Christian.

Will Christians be deceived once again?

People should not to make assumptions by what people claim themselves to be, in their patriotic or religious fervor, but instead measure peoples character by their own deeds.



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Did somebody clone Nero or

Did somebody clone Nero or something?

people read

before you post. Hitler wasn't a christian duh!!!!

He used christians to gain power, much like bush swayed the evangelical vote.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

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the meaning of the word "Christian"

to follow Christ's teachings,and believe in Christ as the messiah who died for all sins so that we may go to heaven with him. IN NO WAY is hitler a christian,he was anti-everything Jesus tought on earth about.

"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul

the meaning of the word "Christian"

to follow Christ's teachings,and believe in Christ as the messiah who died for all sins so that we may go to heaven with him. IN NO WAY is hitler a christian,he was anti-everything Jesus tought on earth about.

"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul

They were not christians,neither was Hitler a christian

this thread is pure bullshit. Churches were burned down in Germany and you call him a christian misleading christians?Get something straight okay.EUGENICS IS FROM ATHEISM.now fuck off with this bullshit

"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul

Wow

Someone needs a chill pill! I didn't see where it said Hitler was a Christian. It says he used Christianity to gain power, and then turned against.

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

never said

he was a christian dumbass. Can "Mathew4RonPaul2008" actually read more than a headline before he go's spouting off.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

Huckabee is the epitome of Hitler if you ask me.

We Desperately Need The "Confessing Church"
by Chuck Baldwin
January 4, 2008

If the reader has not already done so, I again urge you to read the book, Hitler's Cross, which was written by Erwin Lutzer and published by Moody Press. This book should be "required reading" for every pastor and Christian layman in America. In his book, Lutzer focuses on the attitudes and actions of Germany's pastors and churches during the rise and reign of the Third Reich. It is a masterpiece.

For those of us living in a country and time far removed from Hitler's Germany, it is hard to comprehend how that nation's Christians--and especially its ministers--could have been so thoroughly taken in by old Adolf. We assume such an event could never happen again--especially to us. However, to any honest observer of history, the conditions of the Church in America today are eerily similar to those of the Church in Nazi Germany.

For one thing, as did the Church in Nazi Germany, the Church in America has become infatuated with Big Government. Historically, patriotism in the United States meant love for God, love for family, and love for freedom and independence. Today, however, Christians of all persuasions have come to accept and even embrace the Nanny State, complete with its intrinsic obsession with an omnipotent federal bureaucracy that exercises perpetual surveillance and absolute control over every area of our lives.

For example, according to today's Republican Presidential candidates (with the exception of Ron Paul), patriotism demands that we click our heels to the Department of Homeland Security and that we enthusiastically support aggressive, preemptive war. This is exactly the kind of redefinition of patriotism used so brilliantly by Hitler and his fellow propagandists. Yes, Martha, it appears that history really does repeat itself.

When Ron Paul was asked about Mike Huckabee's overt usage of a cross for a campaign advertisement, he quoted Sinclair Lewis as saying, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Many Christians railed against Dr. Paul for making this comment. However, the truth is, Ron Paul (himself a committed Christian) is one hundred percent right! (To see how Hitler used this same tactic, I invite readers to note the photograph of the German Fuhrer in Lutzer's book, on page 75, which shows Hitler coming out of church with a large emblem of the Cross directly over his head. This photo was used extensively by Hitler during his political campaigns.)

Read more:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20080104.html

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Great article

I've read that article and it's awesome. Chuck Baldwin has several excellent articles on why Americans should NOT vote Huckabee.

Time to cut the cord with the Fundies and appeal to "reason"

Contrary to the fundamentalist view, the fact that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation was early stated in the terms of a treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797:
As the Government of the United States of America is not,
in any sense, founded on the Christian religion........

Thomas Jefferson - better read - was of a similar opinion: 'The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.'

So let's not pretend somehow that the framers of the Constitution supported a christian view of the country or in Jefferson's case who had doubts about religion itself.

The abortion stance is scary enough for voters in open primary states - lets not stay hitched to a dated religious belief system that has NO place in government.

"The question is not who will let me- the question is who will stop me" - Ayn Rand

"The question is not who will let me- the question is who will stop me" - Ayn Rand

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This is the truth...accept it or not..John adams had many negatives to say when it came to religion...benjamin franklin as well...They were Deists and Unitarians...Read up,Christians

They had to stand on God's lap in order to slap his face

Most of the founders and framers were definitely Christians insofar as they were members of Christian churches. An American who commits treason against the USA is still an American, an unfaithful husband is still a husband and an unfaithful Christian is still a Christian: and they are all punished as such. There would be no crime, and there would be no basis for punishment, otherwise.

If you want to talk about who was the "real" Christian because they "really believed" you are largely wasting your breath because only God knows what's really in people's hearts. (Sometimes even the individual concerned does not know himself.)

The more relevant point is that the entire cultural background was Christian and had been for more than a millennium. With a few notable exceptions -- like Thomas Hobbes -- the thinkers influencing the age were not atheists. Hobbes, Voltaire, and Rousseau were Statists/Collectivists. (Hegel was not yet on the scene.) The founders and framers were rejecting the Hobbesian tradition. They were generally much more strongly influenced by the thinking of Hobbes' antithesis, John Calvin! You can see the influence of Hobbes, Voltaire, Rousseau and later Hegel in Europe, with the French Revolution, Napoleon, the Prussians, Tsarist Russia and the Russian Revolution. Over and against that stands the American War for Independence which is built solidly on a long Christian tradition as exemplified in Calvin.

The roots of libertarianism can definitely be traced to the Protestant Reformation, and because the Protestants were themselves going back to early church sources shared by Roman Catholics, such as Augustine, who is very much a kindred spirit, the libertarian spirit is very much the legacy of all Christians. (Not that it is necessarily understood and appreciated by all Christians, many of whom are ignorant of both theology and history.)

One seminal work in libertarian thought is Calvin's "Of Christian Liberty." (Luther also had an earlier work titled "On Christian Liberty" which is in general agreement with Calvin's view on major points, and both of them are generally in agreement with early church father Augustine.)
http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/jcchrl...

"Of Christian Liberty" is not a work that will appeal to those modern libertarians who are hostile to the Christian faith: it takes the position that the Christian is truly free, having been freed from sin by his Messiah, and therefore need fear no human tyrant. For Calvin the whole basis of government is self-government, and self-government includes, as essential, loving one's neighbor as one's self. This is how Calvin(ism) avoided the extremes of both tyranny and bugger-they-neighbor libertinism.

But to come back to the main point, the founders and framers included both pious Christians and nominal Christians (deists, etc.) who were less pious but nevertheless strongly conditioned by the overall Christian milieu. In that sense, the essential "Christianness" of the early American republic cannot be denied.

God is the LOVE in the Ron Paul rEVOLution: "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his lo

Wallbuilders has documents which refute this notion

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBHistoricalWritings.asp

But let's not argue over it-- let's focus on getting RP electing and returning to the Constitution and the wisdom of the Founders!

The best thing we can do is engage the Fundy's and show them why the Huckster is no conservative and Ron Paul is. You should see the look on my Christian brethren's faces when I tell them that the Iraq war does not meet the criteria for the Christian Just War doctrine...priceless!

"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)

Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)

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that's the point I'm trying to make

people should look at a candidates past deeds. Especially the evangelical voters who seem easily swayed with rhetoric.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

Better toss out Ron Paul then...

Please don't forget that a huge portion of Ron Paul's traditional republican base is "fundie" including Ron Paul himself.

Also, I have several volumes of Thomas Jefferson's writings that I have been reading and studying for over two decades and the image you are trying portray of them is at least a mis-characterization.

I don't think Ron Paul's grassroots needs a purge of religious persons. Dr. Paul would get tossed out in the frenzy.

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not true

In order to get the religious votes you have to understand the statements above are not considered true by the christian voters.

Only 3 of the framers were not christians.
The words God/Creator is used in all 50 state constitutions, and the US constitution.

I'm not trying to turn this into a religious debate. I find myself more in agreeance with Jefferson.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

Is So True

The 1797 Treaty with Tripoli, which was passed unanimously by the Senate and signed by John Adams, specifically states that the United States was not founded on Christian principles. This is absolute documentation by the founding fathers themselves regarding their intentions in creating our government.

Furthermore, as the Constitution states, a ratified treaty becomes the law of the United States.

This documentation is real and wishing it weren't or looking for contradictory evidence is pointless when the founding fathers so emphatically stated their intentions:

"...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

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The reason I bring this up is a way to "wake up" the Evangelical voters.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Strike at the root - Watch Money Masters

Anti-Christ is alive and well on planet earth.

G_d bless
Attend a Church of your choice this Saturday

G_d bless
Attend a Church of your choice this Saturday

Hitler

was a tool of the people behind him. There are never any real "dictators", because they are always fronts for an oligarchy. Hitler used a convenient scapegoat in his time, just as the Bush-backers are using Muslims. History repeats itself, over and over and over.

Christ/anti-Christ? I have no idea. I follow the threads of kings queens conquerors and bankers, all the way to Mesopotamia, and I find Christians and Jews, Kabbalists and pagans. I suspect it is the hunger for power which connects them more tightly than any religious dogma.
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Edit: Oh, and, "GIVE ME A F'ING BREAK,WILL YA? ..Let talk about how to get RP elected...whatdya think?!?!?" [end quote]

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GIVE ME A F'ING BREAK,WILL YA?

..Let talk about how to get RP elected...whatdya think?!?!?

Yes, give me a break...and I'm a Christian!

Please, no more talk about the anti-Christ; he's been dead and gone for over 19 centuries, so please stop being deluded and let's work on getting Ron Paul elected, okay?

Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)

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GIVE ME A F'ING BREAK,WILL YA?

..Let talk about how to get RP elected...whatdya think?!?!?

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