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I'm proud to have never served; The great plea for humanity.

I’m sure this post will cause a gamut of emotions but I have come to a point in my life where I feel just as much warrant and right to declare my stance on war, and why it is I am proud to have never served.

If you cannot look at history and see that war is the perpetual branch in the spokes of spiritual evolution and humanity’s fullest potential, then you are seeing life as expendable if it aligns with a “right” cause. Look at the army of broken men returning home and the many thousands more returned before them. Look at the states of mind and the states of physicality of these men. Look at the families torn asunder and the children left parentless all in the name of vindication and retribution and freedom?

Are these men the victors? Are these men any more honorable than me because they adorn a purple heart or keep a uniform of tradition locked up in an old chest, only to be brought into the light on the most saddening of days; days we celebrate without understanding the true foreign policies and the lies by which they are upheld? Are these men any more fortunate for the limbs and wits they’ve lost, the years they’ve sacrificed away from their children, the codes they’ve upheld to see the fruition of grievances and stolen memories of men they have never met? Are these men more pure of heart than me in their complicity to bastardize children and make widows of women? Are these men fighting for God? Are the casualties and ravages of war the orders and knowledge we have of morality and sensibility?

War is plunder; hateful, devolving, destructive and engineered by the darkest recesses of our capacities. How long before we see that?

I would like you all to imagine for a moment that you have just returned home from work. You push the button of the garage-door opener and get out of your car. You see the garage door opening and know immediately it will be followed by, “Daddy!” as your son runs out to greet you in the driveway. You kneel down and give him a hug, the kind of hug you give only your son, the kind of hug that finds you completely vulnerable and alive in the moment. You rub his blonde little head and say, “I missed you so much today buddy” to which he replies, “yeah” (in a tone that tells you he understands what love means and that you are the one responsible for that understanding). You both race to the door and enter the house, greeted by the smell of red lemon potatoes, sautéed tempeh and kale greens. You make your way over to your 3 month old daughter who is drooling and mumbling little protests on the bopi pillow, playfully batting the colorful animals dangling from the arches above her. You pick her up and hold her close and whisper, “I missed you today little princess”, which is followed up by countless kisses upon her forehead, cheeks and lips.

As you all sit down to enjoy the dinner your wife has devoutly made out of love, you hear a wisp and suddenly your back is planted into the kitchen wall. Dazed and bewildered you fall to the floor after what seems an eternal peel from the imprint you left behind. Your eyes are hazy and filled with drywall. There is a deafening, selective silence as you’ve force the sound of detangling debris to reside for the panicked and innate desperation that finds you in hysterics as you look for your wife and children. You glance over to the living room where the recliner has leveled the entertainment center and reduced it to giant slivers of particle board. There is a puddle where your hand lands as you attempt to stand up. It has gathered under the heat of steam from a persimmon piece of metal lodged beneath the side of the refrigerator. You peer out the front door which has been completely unhinged and blown out on the road beyond the scorched front yard, now blackened with the fervent flickers of flame.

And then you see what I pray upon no man, woman or child…you see your life laid out before you in red and eternal rest. You see every single memory in a flash and drop to your knees involuntarily as if you had just been compacted with a sledgehammer between the shoulder-blades. And as you look upon the tattered remains of your family you begin to literally see red. You begin to contemplate things you’ve never imagined yourself capable of thinking. It sets in that you will never walk through that front door again and be tackled with a childish hug. You’ll never see the early smiles of the daughter you were just starting to find interaction with and you will never say, “I love you” and feel the response in breath upon your face of the same statement.

Can you imagine your rage being categorized and your intentions being reduced to a terrorist? Can you imagine what it would be like to be “collateral damage” and have an arrogant prick in another country disavow the traumatic emotional dilemma that you are faced with all because your government was in conflict with another government. Can you imagine your lividness as a man on television speaks for your family as if your loss was “just a consequence of war”?

There are those who will turn an indignant shoulder to the dead in another country, but put yourself in the shoes of just one man who has lost his whole purpose and reason for living and tell me to my face that you believe such an incident to be “just a consequence of war”! I dare you!

Peace and love always.

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I did not "serve" in Vietnam

I did not "serve" in Vietnam (my generation) and I'm glad of it too. My brother went, some of my HS buddies went, some did not return. All for what? Did we "stop the spread of communism"? Was that even the real reason we were there or was it only the "official" reason to fool the multitudes into support? I was a long-hair back then (no-hair now). I marched in the streets (only a couple of times because I was in HS and could only travel so far) but I knew that we did not belong in Vietnam and I was relieved when it ended. Think how many men would have lived (on both sides) had we left years earlier (or never started).

I thank you for your non-service !!

Your friends were stolen from their homes

their families, and their communities. They died as serfs, and for what?

“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”
-Henry Kissinger.

Oh, yeah, that. Such a pathetic state of affairs. The draft no longer exists, though; so who are the men who sign up today? Mercenaries. Men paid to kill other men for a paycheck, no matter how small it may be. Nothing more.

Without the army, there is no Empire. Without the troops, there is no army.

F*** the troops.

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat

And I thank you

for your real service to this country.

Maybe we marched together, if not at the same location, but on the same day.

I am proud of you

My husband and I worked hard to end the draft. To those that are shocked by IRS attacks now, that was just how it was in the 1960's and 70's, but they did not only use the IRS. Nixon had his weapons to use on the American public that got out of line.

What we did changed the course of our lives, and not for the better, but I thought what we did would end the wars. I never realized that people would actually go to these wars by choice.

I give up, I don't care what these stupid people want to do. I hate their choice to go and support these wars, and I have to pay for these wars, but there is not much more I can do except try and educate.

That is what you have done with this post.

We Serve Every Day

It is not the case we do not serve, but at the end of the day who we serve.

Never would I serve the federalist agendas on the side of unethical war, instead I spend every day on the battlefield of truth.

That is all you can do

We need to try and keep at least the freedom to tell people the truth.

They are trying to turn people who tell the truth into criminals. It is not the first time that has happened, but the public does not seem to be very informed these days.

You would think the public would be more aware, but that is not the case. They seem totally unaware of what is happening around them.

More than one kind of service, more than one oath.


That's the simple answer to "have you served" but what I mean is at no point in my life have I served in the military forces of the United States Of America.

But that's not the whole truth. I am a warrior. A real one. Took an oath and everything. And I have served. I have served in combat. I have served in the upholding of the law. I have put my life on the line and I have endured and made effective the law. I have served the people, men, women and children.

And I am prepared to do what a warrior ultimately does. I have taken an oath and it is for life. If you tried to cut this oath from my body you would end up with nothing but a pile of meat. It's in my bones, it is my word, it is part of my life to death. It is my breath. "We will come when we are called and we will go where we are sent".

-Smudge Pot

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I'm proud I never became one of the State's killers.

If we are going to thank anyone for performing a "service", it should most definitely not be someone who volunteered to kill for the State.

Even your average cashier or fry cook at McDonald's has done more for society than an employee of the State, the State and all it's parasites are a net drag on society.

People cooperating voluntarily through the market, free of coercion, is what improves our quality of life.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I too am glad I never became a hired gun!

I have many good friends who enlisted and were drafted. Times and reasons change but the results of war remain the same.

I also believe defending the Constitution is a very important job. Sadly I don't see most soldiers defending it, just taking a paycheck in exchange for following orders. Bradley Manning is the best example of a good soldier I have seen in a long time.

We are all growing and awakening together. And we all come from different places and experiences. No judgement intended. (Unless you decide to join up now).

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.


I have been blessed with 23 years of days coming home from work to the hugs and kisses and admiring glances of my four beautiful children. The thought of something bad happening to them, or any child in the world, forces me to look at almost all war and, by extension, the US government as pure evil. Even though I served in the military for 21 years, my children will NOT serve!

Stay Here

Despite being an army veteran myself, I have been spending the last few years actively trying to talk younger people out of joining. We need our sheep dogs at home more than abroad in these times.

June 8, 1967, a Day of Infamy

June 8, 2013

To: All U.S. naval officers who serve as captain of U.S. naval surface or submarine vessels.

Subject: USS Liberty Remembrance Day.

To wit: The following is a list of seamen and Marines who made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of their ship when deliberately and brutally attacked at sea by a hostile force in an act of war forty-six years ago today. As a former Navy petty officer, I honor their service and memory.

U.S. Navy personnel:

1. CT3 Allenbaugh, William B.
2. LCDR Armstrong, Philip M.
3. SN Blanchard, Gary R.
4. QM3 Brown, Francis
5. CT2 Campbell, Ronnie, J.
6. CT2 Converse, Jerry, L.
7. CT2 Eisenberg, Robert B.
8. CT3 Goss, Jerry, L.
9. CT1 Graves, Curtis, A.
10. CTSN Hayden, Lawrence, P.
11. CT1 Hersey, Warren, E.
12. CT3 Higgins, Alan
13. SN Hoar, Carl, L.
14. CT2 Keene, Richard, W.
15. CTSN Lenau, James, L.
16. CTC Linn, Raymond E.
17. CT1 Lupton, James, M.
18. CT3 Marggraf, Duane, R.
19. CTSN Marlborough, David, W.
20. CT2 Mendle, Anthony, P.
21. CTSN Nygren, Carl, C.
22. LT Pierce, James, C.
23. ICFN Skolak, David
24. CT1 Smith, John, Caleb
25. CTC Smith, Melvin, D.
26. PC2 Spicher, John C.
27. GMG3 Thompson, Alexander, N.
28. CT3 Thornton, Thomas R.
29. CT3 Tiedtke, Philippe, C.
30. LT Toth, Stephen S.
31. CT1 Walton, Frederick, J.

U.S. Marine Corps personnel:

1. SGT Raper, Jack, L.
2. CPL Rehmeyer, Edward, E.

American civilian personnel:

1. Blue, Allen M.

I ask you as acting captains, to never forget the atrocity put upon these men who gave their lives in service to our Navy and the American people.

I also ask you to remember you have the ultimate authority to take whatever measures necessary to defend your ship and crew from attack. You also have the right and duty to deliver assistance if such support is requested by the commanding officer or senior officer in charge of other vessels commissioned in the United States Navy who are under assault from any aggressor.

No senior officer or civilian authority above you may issue a command that is in direct conflict with the safety of your ship or for those others who you deem to be in immediate peril of loss of life at sea. Such an order is unlawful and shall not be obeyed.

Article 99 of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), sub-paragraphs (8) and (9):

“Any person subject to this chapter who before or in the presence of the enemy--
(8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or
(9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle;
shall be punished by death or such punishment as a court- martial may direct.”

Article 90 of the UCMJ says all orders are presumed to be lawful, and disobedience is at your own risk: "An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful, and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime."

It would be a crime not to defend your ship or another that is under attack by a hostile force, even if the President of United States told you otherwise.

“This is the captain speaking. . . “, words verbalized by the man or woman who wears the command-at-sea pin above their right shirt pocket. The senior officer who is looked up to by junior officers and enlisted servicemen serving aboard ship. The captain expects each of the crew to do their job. They in turn expect their captain to perform without fear of reprisal in the best interest of the ship, crew and other U.S. naval vessels needing help.

Here is a short quiz for your FITREP.

If you had the opportunity and means to render assistance to another ship that was under assault; what would you do?

1. Proceed with all haste to defend the vessel and crew under attack.
2. Check first with Washington and ask the bureaucrats for
3. Check first with the government attacking the ship for permission
to render aid.

Answered with number one? Congratulations; you have what it takes to be a leader in the U.S. Navy.

Answered with number two or three? You care more about your personal career and less about U.S. Navy and Marine Corps personnel and the ships that serve in the fleet. Resign your commission and run for political office; you’re a natural for currying favor with foreign governments and the nuances of funding your campaign with bribes (i.e., “contributions”).

Each year on this day this list will remind the citizens of each of these United States of the heroic sacrifice these men gave in service to our country. The complete and satisfactory resolution surrounding their demise has not been sufficiently addressed nor have the perpetrators of these crimes of murder been brought up on criminal charges. No apology, no thirty pieces of silver, no statute of limitations will wash away the blood of corruption that allowed this to happen.

We want justice for those thirty-four brave sailors and Marines who perished and the one hundred and seventy-four that were severely wounded in battle at the hand of a so called “ally”.

It is the least we can do for the remembrance of Captain McGonagle and the crew of the USS Liberty.

A day of Infamy, correct!

Thanks to Lyndon Johnson that traitor and the Israeli government, they attacked the ship to try and blame it on Egypt, he was one of our worst presidents ever.

And besides...

The soldiery are not only being conscripted into unconstitutional war, but they are also merely defending a vanishing set of principles, wherein the leadership of this nation are turning the oaths of serving men into an oath to an illusion. The Constitution is being eradicated and methodically so...and you can bet the push for enlistment continues on in the defense of that eradication, where men return home to find the rights they assumed they were protecting are being stripped from those they serve, including themselves.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Less we forget.

"Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain"
September Eleventh should had been a wake-up for all Americans that the good Lord may be turning his back on us. Sadly, instead of practicing "christian" principles...We march into WAR with all the "Proud to be an American" plastered all across the nation, instead of doing some kind of soul-searching, re-assessing of our foreign policy.
Actually, the Muslim world has a very good point in wanting to keep America off their land...with its crapola music, filth of Hollywood, and the way it promotes perversions. They have a very valid point, in not wanting their society corrupted by pornography.
I do not believe in our military's ability to protect us from North Korean, Chinese, or Russian subs with Nukes...Only take about 10 minutes when fired from a sub at close range.
How is the military going to "protect" you then?
If you are depending on the might of the military to protect you, then you are in for a rude awakening.

This came to mind...

Aimee Allen: Universal Soldier at Ron Paul's Rally for the Republic


alot of great comments...

I served as USMC Infantry for more than 13 years until retired for taking to many AK rounds in the wrong places. My son asked me just 2 weeks ago my thoughts in him joining the military. I told him there is nothing more nobel than a creative endeavor. More specifically creating a rational being, that loves them selves and their fellow man; that can and does maintain loving life long relationships. And thats when I said the military is by it's nature an agency of destruction. The antithesis of what I would want my son associated with. But of coarse I'd support what ever he chose.

Bill Buppert an Army Officer (ret) sums up the veterans holidays nicely.


In Liberty

"I, _______, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

There is no duration defined in the Oath itself.


To all those that choose not to serve, I understand.

To all my Veteran brothers and sisters... I salute you.

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."


There is no duration defined in the Oath

Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, 9/11

Things happen. Ron Paul makes a good case that 9/11 may well have been a response to our foreign policy. However, when the Towers came down killing thousands, he voted to take down Bin Laden and the Taliban. I, for one, am grateful for those who serve, sometimes at great personal risk, and deal with these things by defending our Country's borders. I wish though that some of our troops had been stationed along our southern border to stem the economic invasion of our Country instead of Iraq's borders.

IF only

our borders were being defended.

I know the Southern Border is certainly not.
But we seem to like crossing the borders of sovereign nations and doing as we please...I believe it's called invading.

Just War is sometimes a necessary evil and when we need honorable soldiers to serve. The last decade has not seen US actions directed by the Just War Theory.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

well said

"Serving" is what one does to one's master,
"sacrifice" is what one does to a pagan god,
real patriots don't assault/undermine the USC (by taking part in UNdeclared wars),
and real men don't take pride in blindly doing what they're told.

Where's your militay I.D.?

It is silly when the clerk ask "Do you have a military ID?"
Hey, I go to work every day, just like those in the military, pay taxes too...
where's my disount for "serving".
Actually, if you go to work, you are serving your country.
I use to think those in the military were completely mindless and brainwashed to the extreme, however, I now think otherwise, most of the people I've ever known in the military think they are "better than the average American" and entitled to all the "perks" they receive....base housing, a housing allowance, medical care, shopping at the exchange, etc.
So, I guess they're not mindless, because it takes a little fore-thought to believe like you are better than someone else. Right?

You forget

How many active and/or former military are on here.

I am one. I read Rothbard. I listen to Tom Woods and Peter Schiff. I support Ron Paul.

A lot of us believe that defense of the nation is probably the only function of government, and it is the citizens DUTY to ensure we are only used in defense.

I don't believe we are entitled to anything extra. We are a drain on society economically, but also are necessary until the world is a truly voluntary place amongst free people. It is the duty of the citizenry to make sure we are not an imperial force.

Tu ne cede malis.

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Well said jurgs01!!!

I served for 6 years and am not ashamed of it. Although, I am ashamed that we(all Americans) allowed the government to abuse our military power. Serving is a great thing, as long as the citizens make sure the military is put to good - and ONLY good - use. Too many of my peers are either ignorant or brainwashed by the MSM when it comes to foreign policy(and most other issues as well). Thanks to federal tentacles in every aspect of our lives, the population is apathetic to our government issues, and is more concerned with Snooky's new catch phrase, Kardashian's new boytoy, Brad Pitt's new thriller, etc...


SPC Haas
82nd Airborne Infantry Division
2/504 P.I.R.

Ron E(a)RNEST Paul
truth is his middle name!

Im thankful that you never

Im thankful that you never did also!

Hate to count on you to watch my 6.

Nothing against soldiers on

Nothing against soldiers on my part, but I do think it's too bad that your 6 needs watching. Your 6 is not in jeopardy to protect anything that I particularly care about... like "US interests". I'm not sure what a "US interest" actually is anymore.

Agreed. I dont want someone


I dont want someone questioning why they are there watching my six while I need it watched. LOL

Do you mind telling me why

Do you mind telling me why you are there? Im not asking to be rude, but I am curious.

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

I thought you were overseas

I thought you were overseas or in the military and felt you're there for a reason. If not, nevermind me. :)