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The 6th Pillar of Localism: Eight Counties Want to Leave Colorado

I note with interest this report ( http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/07/eight-colorado-counties-wa... ) that the leaders of eight counties in northern Colorado are sick of being ruled from Denver and wish to leave the state and either become the 51st state of the U.S. or be annexed by Wyoming. This movement is not being led by some social misfits on the edge of society, but rather by the elected leaders of the counties in question, such as Weld County Commissioner Douglas Rademacher.

It seems the rural, conservative, oil and gas rich counties don't care for being ruled by Denver-area granola-eating lefties. Whether it is gun control, restrictions on oil and gas exploration, or even a requirement for rural electric cooperatives to use 20% "renewable" energy (while Denver exempts themselves from this expensive requirement), Colorado is not working out for the residents of these counties. And they want to leave. Should they be allowed to?

According to the present U.S. Constitution, the answer is "maybe." It has happened five times before in American history, but not since the Civil War. Examples: Maine was split off from Massachusetts, Kentucky was split off from Virginia. But it requires approval not only of Congress, but of the state that the counties are leaving. In other words, if counties feel like they are being treated unfairly at the state capitol, they have to have permission from those who are treating them unfairly, plus a detached Congress, before they can leave!

Localism only has seven pillars and one of them is on the balance which should exist between local governments and the co-sovereign states in which they reside. An essential part of that balance is that counties should not have to just "stay there and take it" if they feel like the rest of the state does not share their values, or is using them as an ATM machine. There are some common-sense limitations on how and when it can be done, but the principle is that it should be far easier than it is now for people in counties to vote to join up with an adjacent state, or if there are enough disgruntled counties, break off and make a new state.

Across this union there are states that have significant friction between some portion of the state and the balance of it. Southern Illinois has basically nothing in common with the greater Chicago area which makes the rules for it. California is almost dysfunctional because of its size, and because some areas of the state want far left policies and some want far right. Why can't they both win and see what works?

In my own state of Arkansas, the northwest part of the state was Republican in a traditionally Democratic state and I can tell you that they basically used our part of the state as an ATM machine to pay for highways and other things which disproportionately went elsewhere. Culturally, politically, and economically, the northwest corner is more like Missouri than it is the Delta. If switching states were an option, in this instance and others, everyone would be treated more fairly. Even if the option is rarely used, its presence would serve as a deterrent against that kind of abuse of government authority.

The book says "If a man in a region is dissatisfied with the politics of his state, his feet can leave the state, but if all men in a region are dissatisfied with the politics of the state, their feet may stay, for it will be the ground itself which moves."

http://www.amazon.com/Localism-A-Philosophy-Government-ebook...




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They are making a statement.. In your face Denver Dems

After the last round of constitution burning by the Governor and the controlling Democrats, I say more power to them.

In spite of a huge outcry of opposition from the people and even the sheriff's organizations of the state, they still railroaded through their ridiculous and unconstitutional gun control laws. I am sure John Kerry's visit just before the votes had a lot of influence also.

There are other issues turning Colorado into a police state and it is really a shame. Let them leave the state and salvage some of it.

Cheyenne and Yuma...

..are both better names than Northern Colorado. Sheesh! Show some originality, folks.

Perhaps they'd be better advised to secede from Colorado AND the Union and declare themselves a Principality or Prefecture or Shire perhaps of the Lakota Republic.

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UPDATE: IT APPEARS TO BE GOING TO THE BALLOT

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/19/colorado-cou...

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

this is very interesting--

I know that California has had a weird impact on the entire nation.

What I have come to observe as the "California mentality" is a dangerous one--

even among those who consider themselves to be conservatives.

There is a sense of entitlement and superiority. This is not something I have viewed politically so much as privately. Those I know who have done damage are people with whom I have had familial contact; they are, by and large, neo-conservatives, war-mongers, and they have taken advantage of the high cost of housing in California to buy expensive homes cheaply in other states--

I have come to see that there is something wrong with the entire perspective of such people--

They believe they are working hard, because they sat on real estate at the right time--

but maybe that's not what is being discussed here--

They are also very litigious.

As I generalize--

Not everyone who has lived in California and left, however, has these characteristics; I do know that.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Draw a line down the middle of California. Draw it closer to

the coast. Now you have the division between Red California in the Right and Blue California on the coasts.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

I'm sorry about the generalization--

those people I have met have been from the west--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

forgiven.....

....

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Ultimately

This is the future of the entire country. Populations of cities, which are overwhelmingly democratic, grow exponentially compared to rural areas, which are overwhelmingly republican.

Given a long enough time line, every state will be blue.

Won't happen

No new state can be formed from an existing state or parts thereof.

To clarify

“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1
US Constitution

In otherwords, it could happen, but is extremely unlikely as it would require the legislature of Colorado, US legislative branch, and any potential state in which the counties would join.

No senator/state would be willing to grant a new state status, as it would diminish the power of each senator. Colorado will not diminish it's own representation in the house of representatives.

I think what we actually need in this country is two sets of laws. One for urban zones, and one for rural. Two countries existing in one space.

This is not going away: Two more counties want to join

...and be a part of the proposed new state, and two in Kansas.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/07/09/effort-to-create-new-s...

Denver and the surrounding area is so statist, and the more rural counties more freedom-loving. Why should they be forced to stay together and be ruled by ex-Califorians who are ruining Colorado the same way they ruined the state they fled?

This is an important story for me for a couple of reasons. It embodies two of the seven pillars of Localism ( http://www.amazon.com/Localism-A-Philosophy-Government-ebook...)in one story. Immigrants from other states have come to overwhelm the locals, now the locals want to break away. Immigration and the right to re-associate (without the need for approval from Congress or the people who you wish to dis-associate from) at the county level are two of the pillars.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Historical examples

I am surprised you mentioned the examples you did, but forgot the story of the western counties of North Carolina, which seceded from NC not once but twice. First giving birth to the state of Franklin, which was eventually aborted by military force, but then a second time as the state of Tennessee, which still exists today. And the deposed governor of the state of Franklin then became the first governor of Tennessee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Franklin

There is something to the

There is something to the liberal political tilt that seems to dominate large cities and the conservative attitudes that seem to permeate small town life... Has anyone ever conducted a scientufic study on this?

Regionalism and Nationalism

Regionalism and Nationalism in the United States: The Attack on Leviathan by Donald Davis.

It goes even further, geography and climate also play a large part in regional societies.

Southern Agrarian

Yes, In a Way.

Living in a big city is bad for one's mental health and decision making. The study is linked to in this article which outlines the effect that has on politics... http://arkansaswatch.blogspot.com/2012/11/living-in-big-citi...

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

sorry, double post.

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And a light bulb goes off...

I'd love to secede Hamilton County from the State of Kasich's Ohio and annex to Rand Paul's Kentucky. No one said we HAVE to use the Ohio river as the boundary.

split demographics

It seems that a number of these conflicts are urban rural. I like the sophistication and culture of cities but the common sense conservative values of small town America. Where does that leave me?

With a difficult choice for sure..

Good catch on the urban vs. rural thing. My choice would be to separate South IL. from the greater Chicago area, then live as far north in the south part as possible! I could VISIT the city, but not live under the rules they make at home.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

And I think others like me would make that same choice....

....in time this would lead to a transfer of people like me into the same area. In time it is easy to imagine that you would have the best of both worlds, the sophistication of the city without the madness of their policies. That is what Localism does, simply by introducing free-market forces to government.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Very interesting, indeed!

I wonder, too, how the feds would respond to such a situation. Would they try to "disallow" such a development from happening?

Also, when a new state is created, can it (in its state constitution) define a better and more contemporary relationship to the federal criminal syndic--*AHEM* government--wherein Liberty and Locality are front and center?

Hmmmmm....

Thanks for a positively ROCKIN' post, nlp!

What would the Founders do?

Glad to. I see it as only one step.

What I see coming is a breaking point where things get crazy for a while. The bad guys have a planned outcome on the backside of the crisis- total fascism where the Constitution is done away with even in theory. We too should have a planned outcome because I don't think they are as smart as they think they are. My view is our goal should be a restoration of the Republic with lessons learned to keep FEDGOV from every getting out of control again. Obviously, I believe Localism is the remedy.

Still, the idea of counties being able to change states, or form a new one, is one of the six pillars of Localism. As it stands now, they must have approval of Congress to do so, and I don't think they would get it if the new state tried to re-define the relationship from the start BUT it would make it easier to have 50 "Free State Projects" going on in this nation. As the feds clamp down tighter and tighter, they are going to try to make states mere administrative units of FEDGOV, and a smaller state that broke away on a liberty basis would offer much more protection for that than a bigger state full of state officials who were distant from the people and tied into a party machine.

The other thing we have to address is a way to fight the FEds magic money machine that they use to bribe states to act against the people. I have ideas on that one too, maybe that will be the next one. M

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Absolutely!

I dig the concept of a planned outcome angled toward the Republic on our part, and with more "free state projects" functioning as leads into that outcome.

Yeah, for generations state governors and legislatures have been hooked and strung out on federal crack / $$$. Really sucks. How do we accelerate a movement away from this paradigm? And is there time?

What would the Founders do?

Whether there is time or not I don't know, I just know...

...that I am going to try to help doing it the right way. I am not going to be panicked into wasting time on non-solutions out of fear the right way will "take too long."

In my view several states have been getting very close to the real answer to the problem of the Fed's magic money machine. It is hard to beat people with a magic money machine if you don't have one.

Several states have made gold and silver legal tender, but Grisham's law of bad money (federal paper) driving out good makes these measures mostly symbolic. People don't WANT to spend the good money. They keep it and spend the bad. How many silver Quarters are still in circulation?

The answer is for a state legislature to take an extra step and not only accept certain branded gold and silver coins or bars as payment, but also set an exchange rate that is in excess of the manipulated paper price. Say a 10 ounce silver bar they specify would be accepted at $400 and a gold 1 ounce at $2000. These amounts can be raised but not lowered. They would also have to make it where people who had state contracts would agree to take a percentage of their compensation in this form at this rate as well. The key is mandating an exchange rate that is above the rate it would be as a commodity. This is called senior-age.

So if you were a private mint would you want to be the one whose gold and silver products were specified for the program? Of course. In fact you would pay for the privilege, giving the state a portion (say 25%) of what you mint just to be able to sell the rest of them in the state for 50% to 80% higher than you could get for them without the state's blessing.

The result is that the state would a money machine of a slightly different time. As long as the feds put out fake money they could gain extra value over the real money. If they feds ever threatened to cut them off of the fake money, they could simply have the private mint produce more gold and silver money to make up the difference.

Note this is not the end goal- in localism the end goal is to get government out of the money-making business altogether because history proves they can't be trusted with it. This is just a step to get there that is needed to fight the fiat machine until it is unplugged. If the fiat machine collapses in the mean time (as it will whether we do this or not) at least your people are protected because the money they have has real value. It can only fall so far, unlike paper/digital currency.

My prediction would be that if a state did this, even though the constitution says they can make something a legal tender if it is gold or silver, the feds will go into a panic and do whatever it takes to try and stop this, because those at the top would understand what a threat this is to their whole scam.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

True dat!

State greenbacks.... States could mandate that a set percentage of state taxes be paid in their currency.

It'll definitely be a test of resolve... or even of bluff. Whatever the state, they'll need to refuse federal funds (Are any states so prepared?).

What would the Founders do?

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I have friends in CO

and they say the hole political landscape changed for the worse when the Californias moved in. This is the biggest problem with California - when those people who mucked up their state leave for more prosperous climes they try to get what wouldn't work in CA to work in other states, ruining those states. Don't mean to offend those CA's who post here, but this is what I hear time and time again - even from natives from other states.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

The same thing happened in AZ

There used to be a postcard about 20 years ago that had a pic of an UFO buzzing terrified residents who were screaming "The Californians Are Coming, The Californians Are Coming"

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

MA vs NH

I've read that New Hampshire is having problems with migrants from Massachusetts. Rand even cracked a joke about it recently xD