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One Point To Make When Talking to People Who Say "it's not that big a deal - I did nothing wrong"

Tell them "maybe you did nothing wrong but think about this. Anytime anyone does something that they don't want to become public (doesn't have to be something illegal - just embarrassing - e.g. talking about past behavior or a medical issue), the potential for coercion has just been opened up. Do you really want everyone who has done anything embarrassing to be compromised like that? Is that the mark of a free society? What if the people who are compromised are judges, politicians, etc?

Plus, it's extra scary thinking that people could potentially grow accepting of this garbage (maybe they already have). It only take a generation growing up under this for it to "seem normal".

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Whether or not one has something

to hide doesn't enter the equation for myself. Privacy is an individual's sacred territory that no other individual or group has the right to violate for any reason whatsoever. Only when a crime has been committed, probable cause has been presented, and a specific warrant has been obtained would it be permissible to invade one's privacy to conduct an investigation.

Next time somebody says they don't mind the violation of privacy, because they have nothing to hide, go ahead and take a look through their purse or wallet and demonstrate the contradiction in their logic when they flip out.

ONLY one point?! There are dozens of points against PRISM

ONLY one point?! There are dozens of points against PRISM. My favorite is #2, below: "I've done nothing wrong so I have NOTHING TO SHOW!" which just happens to be a chief grievance of the colonists against Great Britain, in the Constitutional amendment prohibiting search and seizure without a warrant. But that's only one point among dozens.

Here's the REAL reason to damn PRISM, the NSA, and clap John "the Crapper" Clapper in irons for knowingly violating the Constitution:

ILLEGAL EVERYTHING: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBiJB8YuDBQ

As John Stossel describes, there are SO MANY LAWS on the books, it is impossible to NOT break the law.

Now, thanks to PRISM, the NSA can amass the data, and reconstruct what crimes you and I commit on a daily basis, often without our knoweledge, and railroad us into prison or make our lives a living hell just for criticising Obama, John "the Crapper" Clapper, or Robert "Gestapo" Muller.

PRISM is the ultimate weapon against dissent, because it will compile a constantly evolving profile of every person, starting with emails and phone conversations, but also eventually electronic medical records (per Obamacare), IRS tax data (also per Obamacare), and tie it together with all financial transactions, employer withholdings, and garnishments and deductions.

Got some birthday money or had a tag sale and didn't declare it? PRISM will sic the IRS on ya. Oh, you might get off the hook if PRISM contains records of you defending Obama when your sister was complaining about him on the phone. Or, that email you sent to the DNC about your neighbor running up a Gadsen flag.

But otherwise, you are bait for a zealous, aggressive D.A. who needs to prove he's the right man for state Attorney General. A few more convictions, and his resume will be sufficiently padded.

"Welcome to the PRISM industrial complex, inmate! Ya should'a avoided calling Hillary a bloodthirsty Harpie on Disqus."

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

My rebuttals

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."


1. Maybe you have nothing to hide today, but what about tomorrow? Do you know who will be in charge a year from now? Ten years from now?

2. If you have nothing to hide, then the government has nothing to see.

3. If you wish to undo the Right to be secure in your person, papers and effects, then I suggest you initiate the process to amend the Constitution.

4. This is an example of the proverbial slow-boiling frog. First they needed probable cause and a warrant, signed by a judge. Then they needed only reasonable suspicion and a warrant signed by a judge in a secret court. Now they don't even need suspicion or a warrant. Where is this all leading?

Better yet...

Find out where they live and once a week call the police and say that you think there is something going on at that residence. Get their license plate # and call the police and say you saw them driving erratically. Surely they've nothing to hide so they've nothing to worry about.


People have a hard time thinking any more than one step ahead.

A counter question to 'I have done nothing wrong:'

"Who decides what is right and wrong? Do you trust them to be fair and just?"

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

Good question.

Because now it is "wrong" to be suspicious of gov't and a Constitution-reading American.

Oh you ARE suspicious, and you DO read the Constitution? Well you're a terrorist. But THAT is not wrong.

We are the gov't. We are god. Worship us or pay the consequences. Remember Manning. Worship at the feet of Wash DC, or be cast out.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

its a sick and twisted religion

They are re-establishing; they fancy themselves as gods and seek to rule over us as they see fit, ignoring GOD and His laws.

Evil is just that prideful.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

Question: Maybe so, but what if

someone with an axe to grind decides you did?


"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


Them to make their facebook and twitter public, ask to look through all their photos, and read all their text messages. When they refuse, call them a liar.

Classic, classic, classic!!

Jao171, that is exactly what one should say to a zombie who parrots that rhetoric!

We know they would refuse, and so when they are called a liar (in a humble, loving way of course), they ought to wake up a bit from their zombie slumber.

"Oh, so you don't mind? You've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, is that right?"


"Well then, you won't mind if you give me your password to your email and social media accounts and ALL OTHER PRIVATE accounts right now, and let me go back looking at all you've ever written, or photos you've posted, now would you??"



"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Its not even the point

Its the wrong way to frame the question.

American citizens should not be viewed as a whole as suspected of any crimes or assumed they have done anything without "probable cause".

By doing what they are doing, the federal government considers everyone a criminal and that is against our constitution and our liberties.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

I like the idea as well...

of your ability or right to "control information" about yourself. Your information is your right, and how it is disseminated and spread should be yours.

This applies to every aspect of your business and personal dealings, should a doctor tell others your history, should a company share your purchase history, email addresses, address with other companies without your knowledge? (It happens now, but is it moral?)

It's your information, technology has given others a window to pry, but that doesn't make it right. Before computers, the only way someone could "steal" your information would either be breaking in and rustling through your paperwork or putting a bug in your house. I think the convenience of computers has blurred the issue, but, it doesn't make our right of controlling our information any less pertinent.

2 completely innocent phone conversations I had last week

2 completely innocent phone conversations I had last week that were SECRET!


They could entrap almost

They could entrap almost anyone at will at any time. All they' have to do is get on a laptop in Afghanistan, send you some Islamo-fundamentalist e-mails in Arabic, let the water come to boil and drop your ass in it.

How about the Red Scare?

Thousands of people got blacklisted for merely either signing a petition or attending a political meeting. And at the time of signing or attending, 'Communism' (read: socialism) did not have the bloody history it has now. Now, even after the bloody experiment of socialism resulted in the starvation and cold-blooded murder of well over a hundred million humans, the USGovt does not think it a punishable offense to profess your love for the ideas of socialism, communism, or even Communism (the ruling parties that ruled USSR, China, etc).