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Tech Giants Are Not Lying

Is this how all the Tech Giants can claim that no 'government' has a back door to their servers?

"At AT&T the wiretapping rooms are powered by software and hardware from Narus, now owned by Boeing, a discovery made by AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein in 2004. Narus did not return a call seeking comment.

What is especially troubling is that both companies have had extensive ties to Israel, as well as links to that country’s intelligence service, a country with a long and aggressive history of spying on the U.S.

In fact, according to Binney, the advanced analytical and data mining software the NSA had developed for both its worldwide and international eavesdropping operations was secretly passed to Israel by a mid-level employee, apparently with close connections to the country. The employee, a technical director in the Operations Directorate, “who was a very strong supporter of Israel,” said Binney, “gave, unbeknownst to us, he gave the software that we had, doing these fast rates, to the Israelis.”

Because of his position, it was something Binney should have been alerted to, but wasn’t.

“In addition to being the technical director,” he said, “I was the chair of the TAP, it’s the Technical Advisory Panel, the foreign relations council. We’re supposed to know what all these foreign countries, technically what they’re doing…. They didn’t do this that way, it was under the table.” After discovering the secret transfer of the technology, Binney argued that the agency simply pass it to them officially, and in that way get something in return, such as access to communications terminals. “So we gave it to them for switches,” he said. “For access.”

But Binney now suspects that Israeli intelligence in turn passed the technology on to Israeli companies who operate in countries around the world, including the U.S. In return, the companies could act as extensions of Israeli intelligence and pass critical military, economic and diplomatic information back to them. “And then five years later, four or five years later, you see a Narus device,” he said. “I think there’s a connection there, we don’t know for sure.”

Narus was formed in Israel in November 1997 by six Israelis with much of its money coming from Walden Israel, an Israeli venture capital company. Its founder and former chairman, Ori Cohen, once told Israel’s Fortune Magazine that his partners have done technology work for Israeli intelligence. And among the five founders was Stanislav Khirman, a husky, bearded Russian who had previously worked for Elta Systems, Inc. A division of Israel Aerospace Industries, Ltd., Elta specializes in developing advanced eavesdropping systems for Israeli defense and intelligence organizations. At Narus, Khirman became the chief technology officer.

A few years ago, Narus boasted that it is “known for its ability to capture and collect data from the largest networks around the world.” The company says its equipment is capable of “providing unparalleled monitoring and intercept capabilities to service providers and government organizations around the world” and that “Anything that comes through [an Internet protocol network], we can record. We can reconstruct all of their e-mails, along with attachments, see what Web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their [Voice over Internet Protocol] calls.”"


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Yes I did read it

And what I find even more troubling, is that both companies have even deeper ties with COMMUNIST China.

So why don't we see any Communist China bashing here?

Because so many here think that a Sovreign state which acts like a Democracy (Israel) is not what they stand for, but rather communist China.

Did this post bash Israel?

I advise you to visit Israel and ask some Arabs (read: Palestinians '-Israelis refuse to use the word 'Palestinian')if they get to vote or have equal rights as Jews. China has a far freer market than Israel. Israel is European style socialist. China has not crossed the US every chance it gets like Israel does.

IMO yes

IMO YES, because the post insinuates Israel took something that was not theirs, that they had to steal intel, rather than giving them the credit they deserve.

Then you "advise" me (let me tell you, unsolicitied advice is never appreciated as the giver expects), that I need to "visit Israel", to talk to Arabs, as if Arabs don't live in the USA, and none anywhere to be found, though personally, having met Ralph Nader, Darrel Issa, and many students from Syria, Lebonon, Persia (Iran, but they themsleves refered to Iran as Persia), Eqypt, Iraq, and several from the "stans", and Saudi Arabia, Yemen, I did not have to go to Israel (which I am planning on an extended stay to volunteer and go on several tours including a Muslim tour led by ARABS), to ask what rights Arab Muslim Palestinians have in Israel.

Recently I have been focusing on movies, documentaries and reading as much as I can about Israel, and I see that there are Palestinian ARABS who are citizens, have the right to vote and even work in the IDF.. and there are those who, were born and raised in Israel, LOVE Israel, are Muslim, marry someone who is not from Israel and Muslim, and thet stops their rights, because Israel isn't going to let a toe in the door based on the repeated offenses by the Muslims who say DEATH TO ISRAEL. So unamerican.

SO UNAMERICAN.. because what is your point, that Israel be like America? That they have rights like America?

I saw one documentary about a Jew from England, moved to Israel, married into a Jewish family that has occupied Israel for hundreds of years (though the family roots go back even further to an underground orthodox Jewish temple, because Jews were persecuted by Arabs while building the Mosque on Dome of the Rock). He said that Americans complain about Israel having arms, but arms are very important to Jews because they believe that had the Jews of Germany been armed, there would have been no holocast. Imagine.. here in America a large part want keep the second amendment and the right to arm themselves to defend themselves. (reminded me of many posters here on DP). But Israel should not arm themselves, just giove Muslims who HATE Jews and Israel the right to move to Israel and fre to vote.

One thing that was clear, many Palestinians enjoy the support they receive from Americans, as this PERPETUATES HATRED. It is just another way Americans don't mind their own business, entangle themselves globally, expecting others to be like them, while their own country loses it's rights, put up borders against Mexicans, whose families occupied the USA LONG before there was a pilgram or a USA. Talk about NO RIGHT OF RETURN. Talk about unequal rights.. look no further than Mexico to see American's hypocracy concerning Israel. I'm not even going to bring up Native Ameican Indians and their rights.

COMMUNIST CHINA does not have a freer market than Israel. They have SLAVE labor, forced abortion, and limited rights.

China has crossed the USA many times, stealing info, intel, corporations, taking the Panama Canel, taking over shipping, ports, food companies, and more. Mendocino and San Francisco have enormous Chinese populations.. and look at our animal rights.. they have poached abalone near to extinction. Our paper posts arrests and the majority are not drugs, it's poaching by the Chinese. I have Chinese friends, and a Jewish Chinese friend. She's a billionaire (I know many here hate billionaires, hate people who make money, anyways, her Jewish father married a Chinese woman, adopted her, and ran a plastics company, from there the bought buildings, hospitals, casinos, groceries, and much much more.

The US military is SOCIALIST. Israel has many entrepreneurs that do not work for the Israel government, but work for themselves.

To stand for COMMUNIST China over Israel is bashing Israel.

I hated Israel when I visited.

I never hated a trip in my life. It was just awful. Except, of course, for the food.
But that is not why I gripe about her. I have told you many times, I do not want to pay for the USGovt, let alone anything Israeli. They spy on the US. They control the our government, media, Hollywood, maybe financial services, and maybe justice system. They are blackmailing the World with their nuclear arsenal. If you like that than I am happy for you. I don't. We can beat this dead horse to death.

Hey, what happened with your complaint to the authorities about your folks?

And, of course, ❣Granger❣

Maybe you would want to come with me then?

I'm sorry you had a bad trip, REALLY. I intend to have a great trip.. want to start with a cruise from Fl 12 days.

I want to pay for the US goverment (I'm not against paying taxes, just against where some of these taxes go), and do business with Israel, which definately has the best global legal services and tech. Food your is on my agenda.

China spys on us, but what's worse is we spy on us. We blackmail Israel with FRNs. Their nuclear arsenal is an albatross which Israel has repeated stated that they would NOT be the first to lanch nuclear weapons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

This is all about learning, and as long as I am learning, I am fine. It's when I think I know everything that it is not fine. I don't know everything about Israel, but the more I look, the more I like.. and I owe this to Ron Paul saying Israel is our friend.

As for the complaint about my folks.. it has been very interesting, very sad on many levels.. but also, I am now talking with attorneys that have bars in CA and NV and getting my ducks lined up for a battle.. and plan to celebrate my win, because I will win, with a long trip that includes Israel, and it's going to be a great trip.

An American in Israel http://vimeo.com/67588722

I'll go until we approach Israel,

then I will bug off to Lebanon or Turkey. I am so sad that I missed Syria before the evil ones captured and destroyed it. I want to hit Iran before the evil ones take her out. Israel just has a really dark feeling to it. You will notice it as soon as you get off the boat, or jet.

Do you have your perp(s)?

An American in Israel looks cute.

I read through you link and thank for making my point.

❣Granger's❣ Link/Policy/Use

On October 8, 1973, just after the start of the Yom Kippur War, Golda Meir and her closest aides decided to put eight nuclear armed F-4s at Tel Nof Airbase on 24 hour alert and as many nuclear missile launchers at Sedot Mikha Airbase operational as possible. Seymour Hersh adds that the initial target list that night "included the Egyptian and Syrian military headquarters near Cairo and Damascus".[168] This nuclear alert was meant not only as a means of precaution, but to push the Soviets to restrain the Arab offensive and to convince the US to begin sending supplies. One later report said that a Soviet intelligence officer did warn the Egyptian chief of staff, and colleagues of US National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger said that the threat of a nuclear exchange caused him to urge for a massive Israeli resupply.[169] Hersh points out that before Israel obtained its own satellite capability, it engaged in espionage against the United States to obtain nuclear targeting information on Soviet targets.[170]

Israeli military and nuclear doctrine increasingly focused on preemptive war against any possible attack with conventional, chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, or even a potential conventional attack on Israel's weapons of mass destruction.[22][171]

Louis René Beres, who contributed to Project Daniel, urges that Israel continue and improve these policies, in concert with the increasingly preemptive nuclear policies of the United States, as revealed in the Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations.[172]

After Iraq attacked Israel with Scud missiles during the 1991 Gulf War, Israel went on full-scale nuclear alert and mobile nuclear missile launchers were deployed.[173] In the build up to the United States 2003 invasion of Iraq, there were concerns that Iraq would launch an unconventional weapons attack on Israel. After discussions with President George W. Bush, the then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned "If our citizens are attacked seriously — by a weapon of mass destruction, chemical, biological or by some mega-terror attack act — and suffer casualties, then Israel will respond." Israeli officials interpreted President Bush's stance as allowing a nuclear Israeli retaliation on Iraq, but only if Iraq struck before the U.S. military invasion.[174]
~❣Granger's❣ Link

Granger's link

After discussions with President George W. Bush, the then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon warned "If our citizens are attacked seriously — by a weapon of mass destruction, chemical, biological or by some mega-terror attack act — and suffer casualties, then Israel will respond."

IF our citizens are attacked... I think that's totally cool. It's not like they are saying.. WE WILL FIRE NUKES AT KIDS THROWING ROCKS.

Also about that part of the link.. reminds me of my Dad again, being he was military brass.. he knew Jim Morrison's dad Admiral Morrison was the USA Historian. When we were living in Hawai'i, the schools I went to were predominately Japanese instructors. I was taught (1968) that WWII Pacific Arena was a false flag. The Americans had mapped out Pearl Harbor from Camp Smith (where I used to horseback ride) and they gave the maps to the Japanese.

I was shocked when I heard this at school.. an American school with teachers blaming the Americans. Every Friday in Hawai'i is "Kill Haoule Day".. and teachers do NOTHING to stop the beatings, no matter how brutal. As a military brat, I think it's unfair that we do not get to take credit for serving.. I had a military ID for 23 years. and saw front line in school systems.. even deserve a purple heart.

I also want to see Turkey, Eqypt, Lebanon and Syria.

The Granger= disinfo troll!

Take whatever it says and do the opposite!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

This is what, I, call a cyber

This is what, I, call a cyber attack, this is the kind of thing laws should be made against, not to justify

We need devs working on security, detction, defence of illegal intrusions, and advance, simple easy to implement encryption, end to end(think, SUPER encryption), if they are allowed to continue.......im one of those that hope in future that computer programming software in security would be so advance, that even if they wanted to snoop, they'd not bother, because it would be virtually impossible

Officially, legally...

....they are not lying.

Which means they, in fact, ___ lying. [are/are not?]

Take a guess which. :)

Did you read it?

They are not giving any government information. Two Israeli companies have the back door access. Those companies, which were given the technology by the State of Israel, are most likely giving the information to the US and Israel.

All of the data mining companies hdqtrs. are in Israel

They all started in Israel. Some were started within the IDF. Israel has data mined info from our govt. Israel knows everything going on inside white hose.

Israel more or less 'owns' us.

Israel is an entrepreneurial

Israel is an entrepreneurial place with high technology. Big Data is huge right now. They're not all in Israel and you are exaggerating.

Check out http://ronpaulforums.com for activism and news.


Or did you mean INDIA?


It was the Patriot Act....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, if the feds entered your home and ransacked it, they can tell the wife not to say anything to the husband who is at work, or she'll go to prison, etc.

That's what I believe has happened to them..... And if they didn't cooperate, the CEO's or their businesses would be destroyed

I think they would just be silent if that was the case.

If the Israeli companies have the back door, than the techs can honestly say they are not giving 'governments' access. Then the Israeli companies pass it out to whoever for a hefty profit. You won't see this on any 'news' station.


Israel has been the global leader in Intel and tech, and remains to this day.. government's, and global corporations buy that intel and employ it.. as does the USA and India, and China.

Did you read it?

The technology was stolen by a young nobody Zionist, it was given to Israel, and Israel gave it to the two Israeli companies to data mine everything and then, most likely, give it back to the Israel and the US.

The technology was invented in Israel

Israel is light years ahead of the drugged up, dumbed down, arrogant slaves of the USA.

Some say Israel owns the USA, and that may be true, because the USA seems awefully jealous as they buy more crap from WalMart MADE IN COMMUNIST CHINA with their monopoly money.


R U Lindsay Graham? Just asking


Nor am I a fan of Graham.

too bad

because you sound just like him. you are a stain on the truth.

worship your racist government in private. no one is buying it here. or havent you got that yet?


Link please.

Blinney said the US government invented it and the little Zionist Knothead stole it and gave it to Israel with no one complaining. Where is your source?

I advise you to go visit Israel and see for yourself. You sourceless defense of them is laughable. Someone has seriously brainwashed you. Hmmm. Was it Benjamin (?) and his wife, the Israelis, whom were planted at your GOP meeting right after they left the Evangelical meeting?

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Great minds !

I have been wanting to post this question:

'The Granger', who are you and what have you done to the REAL The Granger?!!!

I have been thinking she must have been brain washed or her 'loyalty oath' to the GOP might have included loyalty to Israel first. She seems so out of character now as opposed from years past.

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

I have every intention in going to Israel

I'm a zionist. Whatcha gonna do about it?



BTW, Guess where I'm going to get my global patent?


Be careful with that.

I recently found out I am part Jewish. Yep, my maternal Grandad's surname is Ashkenasi, and my paternal Grandma's maiden name was Lehman (Ashkenasi). They were bankers.
It all made sense. Now I know why I am so shrewd with money. I also now know why I always think I am ten times smarter than I actually am.

So be careful.
Tob shebbe goyyim harog.

Is that a threat?

Wow.. you're half Jewish.. Wow.. I mean WOW WOW WOW.. Oh WOW Golly Man..

Ohhh WOW you're Grandma's folks were bankers.. Gasp! Shock! bankers.. Man!! Wow!!!

What sense did what make to you?

Oh.. being shrewd with money is now a Jewish genetic trait? Get real. Most jews, but the Iranian Farci, who came to the USA during the outting of the Shaw, came here with little to nothing. Most Jews lived in GHETTOS, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto were not bankers, and were frugal because they had NO CHOICE, they were discriminated against, and even in CA there were signs NO JEWS. Jews were just as much discriminated against as blacks.

The Chinese think they are smarter than you. Maybe you are here to proove them correct?

Peace be with you ((((dducky))))) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike

Remember, I LOVE you and not because you're part Jew.

Love ya too ❣Granger❣

I meant bankers, like Lehman banking family. I don't know if there is a link, the surname is too prevalent for me to follow. But my Grandma said this part of her family were rich bankers. She does not know it is a Jewish name. Her maiden name is Fitzpatrick. She calls herself a cradle Catholic (both her parents were Catholic). So that is why we had no idea she is possibly half Jewish. I can't break the news to her or my Dad at this point. But, natch, the first thing I thought of was Lehman Bros.. She will be 93 in a couple of weeks. I have been squeezing any and all information out of her that I can for a few years. I think she's all squeezed out now.

I linked the Talmud so you could understand why a good portion of Jews behave like they do. When I read excerpts from it I was able to understand them (us) much better. I do try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt when meeting them and treat them equally. But, stereotyping is a defense mechanism for humans. It can be quite useful. We can stereotype lions from lambs, and that is a good thing. Not all Jews think that the Goy are dirty beasts to use and kill, but some really do believe it. And some, although they may not believe it, grow up in environments where this is custom. So they, perhaps unintentionally, carry on the tradition. So I have this in the back of my head when getting to know them. I recall you categorizing Atheists in a derogatory 'other-ness' fashion. Is this not the same thing? I do not believe stereotyping is racist. But throwing away our embedded defense mechanism of trait grouping (whether it be age, gender, race, religion, economic, or culturally) when establishing relationships is just plain stupid. And the political correctness that we are supposed to abide by is stupid as well. I use these categorizing skills to observe and correct my own behavior too.

Objectivists are Atheists

my father was an Objectivist. I was baptized catholic when he was out to sea, and he returned very upset that my mother had me baptized.. neither of them were Catholic. I never went to pray in a Catholic Church until after my Mother passed away. My father hated religion with a passion, so my experience with atheists are they HATE religion.

A few decades ago, I brought home a boyfriend and introduced him to my folks. My mother says, "Is he Jewish?" I said, "I don't know. Why do you think he's Jewish?" She said, "He has a Jewish last name?" I asked, "He does?" She said, "Yes, he does." So I became defensive. "What does it matter if he is Jewish?" She says, "It doesn't matter to me. He's your date." And it struck me as being so weird.. growing up in the military.. religion does not matter.. it's rank.. so I had no idea what was a Jew. Of course that began to spark my interest. When he asked me to marry him, his parents asked me if I was going to convert. I said NO. There was no marriage. I felt if God wanted me to be a Jew, I would have been born a Jew. But through that relationship I met many Jews (including Lehmans, owned some big stores in Beverly Hills), and even in the Israel war of 48, Jews killed Jews. People are people.

I think we all get played by the elite.

I watched a great documentary about the War in 47-48.. I did not know that England controlled Palestine, blocked Jews from coming to Israel, even sunk refugee boats of Jews coming to Israel. I had no idea what a huge role England played in arming the Palestines. It's really amazing how Israel beat four Arab nations, Arab nations backed by England (American corporate interest included), France, Germany and Russia.. and they won. Against all odds they won.

CA was very anti-Jew. It was not until the 90s that some towns removed their NO JEWS signs from their welcome posts.

I got a thing for underdogs. (((((dducky))))