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Clapper And Feinstein Get Caught Lying - Big Time

http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/feinstein-and-clapper-fi...

They have now changed their story and admitted that all phone records for the last 7 years have been collected.
(This is causing a storm amongst Dem supporters. Stoke it up some more by getting the word out.)

http://news.yahoo.com/clapper-clarifies-remarks-over-nsa-sno...

They say that they won't look at the records without a good reason.
They previously lied and tried to cover up that they were collecting the phone records of all Americans, what makes you think we can trust them to not look at the data they have collected, whenever it suits the government to do so?

Clapper denied collecting phone records on millions of Americans
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/spy-chief-clapper-denies-...

The reason for the NSA's Mass Surveillance programs is to suppress political dissent, they are not anti-terror measures.

Why didn't the authorities stop the Boston bombing with all of the intel they had and are now collecting on everyone?
There was plenty of evidence that the elder brother was a substantive threat and the FBI had had contact with him for at least 2 years before contact was "dropped" after his 6 month visit to the Caucasus.
His activities in the Caucasus included attendance at, at least one Islamic Extremist conference in Georgia, with the main speakers being Islamic hate preachers.
The Russians warned at least three times that he was a threat and to watch him.
But the authorities didn't watch him. Why not?

The reason the authorities didn't stop Boston is because anti-terror is not the priority.
They would rather use the 4,000+ private contract staff and who knows how many NSA staff, to go after domestic political dissenters.

Edward Snowden was a private contractor working for Booz Allen who had top secret clearance.
(A third of private contractors have top secret clearance.)
Snowden claims that he had authorisation to snoop and listen in on anyone "Federal judges, even the President".

The FBI have already tried to label Occupy protesters as "domestic terrorists".
When the FBI were pursuing and harassing Occupy, what makes you think that the FBI did not go to the NSA and ask "what have you got on these people".
Or "can you help us identify others".
NSA "why we sure can - we've got LOADS of data going back 7 years - we'll get back to you tomorrow."

The authorities will do the same against Monsanto protesters or attendees at gun rights rallies etc.
Anything the government doesn't like, any political dissenters.

Similarly the government will try and use this information on any civil rights activists like the ACLU.
The FBI getting a spy in the camp of the ACLU would be a coup.
There is probably someone in the top levels that has something to hide and can be blackmailed to provide information on what the ACLU is planning to do, or provide some information on some other top level person.
If they can't get a top level person, they will work on the next level down or secretaries etc.

But it gets worse.

The government and party leaders have always kept dossiers on politicians to use as leverage to make sure "they vote the right way".

Now they have access to :-
all their phone records
the contents of every phone call made
every email
every text
their social media interactions
their voice mails
their financial transactions

etc. etc.

They also have access to the same data for all their staffers.

What makes you think the government won't use this information if they want to swing a tight vote?

Similarly they will keep dossiers on all State Party leaders, National Committee members and legislators.

But it gets worse.

What makes you think the NSA does not have a surveillance dossier on every TV anchor and media personality?
What makes you think the government won't try and use the above information to try and ensure the media stick to the "government's story".
(Obviously most of the media personalities won't be able to be blackmailed, but some will. If they can't blackmail the actual media personality, maybe they can get something on their partner or their kids. Threatening to go after their teenage kid for smoking dope and jailing them would be a powerful weapon.)

But it gets worse.

What makes you think the NSA does not have a dossier on every Federal judge?
What makes you think the government won't try and use the above information to ensure "the right verdict" on any sensitive cases?
If there is any doubt, a Federal judge will be appointed that CAN be blackmailed into delivering the "right verdict".

But it gets worse.

What makes you think the NSA does not have a dossier on every member of SCOTUS?
What makes you think the government won't try and use the above information to ensure "the right verdict"?

If all of the above is not happening now, and I am pretty sure it is, what makes you think the President who takes office in 2017 won't do it?
NOBODY knows who that will be.
The time to speak out against this is NOW.

A Democrat supporter put this better than me :-

"The storage of the collected surveillance data is the most egregiously fascistic aspect of this. They are creating a database on every single citizen's communication and activities. Those who don't see the danger in that are either rank apologists, or they have not thought through the possibilities.

Citizen 1,675,402 begins to look a little too angry or activist, and it will be no trouble at all to search through the data and find some reason, somewhere, to call the local officers to check out some violation from 2013. To arrest, and have someone disappear.

It offers an entire infrastructure for pre-emptive silencing of opposition to the government, even before it has a chance to materialize. And for those who are implementing an agenda of corporate, profit-centered and human-exploiting policies that will cause widespread impoverishment and rage, this is exactly the sort of system that will offer tremendous temptations for abuse to prevent the inevitable pushback.

We saw already what the government did to proactively target Occupy. This surveillance program violates the fundamental trust Americans are supposed to have in their representative government. It is deeply disturbing, creepy as hell, and ALL Americans should be standing together now to stop it."

See also my previous articles on this subject :-

All the infrastructure a Tyrant would need, courtesy of Bush, Obama and Congress.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/all-infrastructure-tyran...

Details on the NSA Mass Surveillance programs, plus relevant news articles and videos.
Kept up to date with the latest stories (there are a lot).
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/verizon-revelations-tom-...

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How many people here

listened to the Ron Paul video in the email C4L sent? All we need to know about all this collection of data is in the video. These morons are going to require an RFID card which is in the Immigration bill they are bent and intent on passing. Keep our attention on many scandals while the statists pass the "papers please" immigration bill that will make it mandatory that everyone have an RFID card, even to seek employment.

I'm emailing my representatives in congress right now (like that's going to do any good) and let them know I'm not going to participate in Obamacare nor will I submit to a biometric ID card. I had a friend of mine suggest a while back that it's time for us "old coots" to stand up. I think the time has come.

So what? What are you going

So what? What are you going to do about it? Twirl a sign somewhere? Seriously what are you going to DO about it? Write to your congressman LOL ? What? Revolution? Do anything even remotely similar to what was done in the late 60's and early 70's when real protests were going on?

The answer is nothing. A whole generation who "protests" by typing on message boards and volunteering for the military.No balls, no brains and definitely no integrity. LOL

You don't get what you want, you get what you deserve.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

Well...

Tell us what you are going to do.

How is your comment helping anybody?

If you don't want to do anything, get the hell out of the way of those who do.

Removing your comment would obviously be about the best thing you are able to summon up to help right now.

People like you make me SICK.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Wouldn't it be great if

Wouldn't it be great if everyone could be forced to say what you like to hear? That's because it's people like you who are the message board protestors. Why aren't you out doing something then rather than whining on a message board?

Maybe if you beg real nice like.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

So you deliberately choose to obstruct rather than help

There are plenty like you out there.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

I want the Federal Government

I want the Federal Government to answer this one question;

What is the total digital hard drive volume, in terms of Gigabytes or Zettabytes, of all communications data the Federal Government currently has in storage on American citizens?

This computer query question should be easy to answer by our government super computers. It's just one number. Let's say it's currently say 1.5 Zettabytes? There are 1024^7 / 1024^3 gigabytes in a zettabyte. I want to know what that actual number is.

Get in line buddy, we all

Get in line buddy, we all have questions, and they should ALL be answered

To be Clear, WE ARE THE TARGETS

not some would be terrorists. It is the American People that must be controlled.

SteveMT's picture

Whenever their mouths move, expect more of the same.

Another use for duct tape found.

the irs and the fed and the

the irs and the fed and the banks are run by jews. do you get that? they are all into usury like in the bible and JEsus routed them out. do you get that? they are jews and they are greedy and do not care much about anything other than their money.

Now it makes sense

http://www.dailypaul.com/262412/are-passwords-being-hacked-e...

Either he had a master plan that after a time of contributing interesting and thoughtful posts he would bide his time and suddenly break character and post two blatantly anti-semitic diatribes in a row or.....

Somebody has his password.

If you believe your comp is compromised, run the following programs...
-Kaspersky or Microtrend online virus scanner
-A good registry cleaner, such as tuneup utilities, regcleaner or wiseregistrycleaner among many others
-Hijack THIS!
-Malwarebytes anti-malware
(Make sure to run these in Safe Mode)

Most of the best modern virus will erase restore point on your OS, so its good to have disk backup or partition hard drive, etc have more than one defenses. Learning to pick through your computer registry is not as hard as you might think. All virus has a component in registry for control.

never ever trust a jew

never ever trust a jew

Says NSA employee...

...trying to discredit liberty movement?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Especially one with a Hispanic name like Jesus

Right?

Trust us...

Trust us. We won't use your info for nefarious reasons.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

Gee....

Sounds EXACTLY like..... **wait for it**
MAIN CORE

from 2008
http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=2590

In my case, there’s no way the programs I want to talk to Congress about should be public ever, unless maybe in 200 years they want to declassify them. You should never learn about it; no one at the Times should ever learn about these things.

—Russell Tice, Former NSA SIGINT Officer

The DOMESTIC 'list' was already at 8 Million in 2008.
What do you think it is now?

TwelveOhOne's picture

Hmm, about 316 million?

http://www.census.gov/popclock/

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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I wonder what's going to happen next?

Concourse at Atlanta airport evacuated after explosion...

Richmond airport evacuated after threatening phone call...

Plane diverted after bomb threat...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

"This is causing a storm amongst Dem supporters."

Huh????? In what country?

Do you actually believe that they are going to all of a sudden change their minds and then admit to it on top of that?

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

(( Ian56 ))

Wow. I have not been to that site for ages. They pretty much black-balled me prior to the election.

Unless some of those folks are some of us, some of those folks actually think like us.

It is time to unite. For Freedom, for Liberty.

If you have an account and you are accepted there, can you sneak in some of Julie Borowski? I think that she will do the trick :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I picked out several good DU articles on my NSA info blog

Link now included in the Op-ed above.

The Dems don't like the Constitution being shredded either.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

You cannot post anything from a Libertarian source on there

They will react against it - virulently.
They have been brainwashed by the liberal media for over 20 years, after all.

You can certainly publish many Libertarian policies on there - as long as you don't mention they are Libertarian.

Anti bank stuff.
Anti Corporatism stuff.
Anti war stuff
Anti drone stuff
Anti "war on drugs" stuff
Anti Monsanto
Massively reducing military spending
Civil rights - opposing the shredding of the Constitution (2nd amendment excepted).

etc. etc.

You cannot publish small government stuff etc.

But massively reducing taxes on the lower paid/middle earners gets widespread support, for example.
If it is worded the right way - by linking it in to paying for them by cutting the over $1.3tn of annual Corporate Welfare.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Well...

that explains why I was ousted.

It may be time for a new user name over there, me thinks.

Thanks Ian :-)

By the way, if you have an account, can you PLEASE throw this up there: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/off-duty-cops-collect-dna-...

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

One thing at a time

I will save it for another day

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."