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Why Are People Seeking A Pardon, For Edward Snowden?

I must admit, I fell into this without realizing it.

Implicitly, by requesting a pardon for Snowden, one feeds into the twisted illusion that he is a criminal in the first place, such that he requires pardoning at all. To conflate whistleblowers with criminals is precisely the abhorrent position of the administration, and whether or not we like it, we who have supported the petition are reinforcing that very mentality.

On the contrary, it is quite obvious to us all that the criminal syndicate in this instance involves those at the very highest echelons of government. It is they who should be seeking pardons. From us

And they should not be receiving them.

In any case, time to shift perspective. This is deeply ingrained psychology, and we all need to be aware when we are perpetuating falsehoods or feeding into the myths, even if unconsciously and with good intentions.

Because for as much as we want Snowden to be held harmless, seeking a pardon is essentially stroking The King's ego; servants, begging for mercy from the master's arbitrary punitive whims.

We should all be grabbing our pitchforks and lit torches instead.

Hell, the founders might even have reached straight for the muskets.

(all credit to Sibel Edmonds thoughtful - if forceful - articulation of all of this on her website, which realigned my own perspective. My words here are merely intended to echo hers in an abridged manner.)

Update: Just noticed legalizeliberty posted Sibel's piece here 10 minutes prior to my post: http://www.dailypaul.com/288588/sibel-edmonds-do-not-mix-up-.... My apologies for duplication of the reference.

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Pardon me

What is the penalty for not keeping their "oath of office"? and to "protect the Constitution of the United States of America"?
These are the real criminals, NOT SNOWDEN.
In other news, I'd like to see Mr. Snowden get his citizenship in Iceland and become their President some day (if possible),
Now that would be some poetic justice.

When will petitioners learn

that petitioning doesn't work?

What have the responses been to the numerous other petitions on wh.gov? How about the 'ban the TSA' petitions, a few of which have received hundreds of thousands of signatures?

Remember the 'secession' petitions?

Remember the 'repeal the Patriot Act' petitions?

Remember the 'free Bradley Manning' petitions?

Remember the 'stop droning civilians' petitions?

Remember the 'stop using torture' petitions?

Remember the 'stop the wars' petitions?

Does anyone besides me remember the outcome and responses to those petitions?

Could someone kindly point out even ONE petition on wh.gov that has actually been effective on any meaningful scale?

It's unproductive. It's legitimizing actual criminal acts. It's asinine.

A signature used to be here!

Edward Snowden is Not Guilty

Edward Snowden is Not Guilty under Marbury v. Madison

"The question, whether an act repugnant to the Constitution can become the law of the land, is a question deeply interesting to the United States; but, happily, not of an intricacy proportioned to its interest. It seems only necessary to recognize certain principles, supposed to have been long and well established, to decide it."

"The government of the United States is of the latter description. The powers of the legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken, or forgotten, the Constitution is written. To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing, if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished if those limits do not confine the persons on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed are of equal obligation. It is a proposition too plain to be contested, that the Constitution controls any legislative act repugnant to it; or, that the legislature may alter the Constitution by an ordinary act."

"Certainly all those who have framed written constitutions contemplate them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and consequently, the theory of every such government must be, that an act of the legislature, repugnant to the constitution, is void."

"Thus, the particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the Constitution is void; and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument."


We should all be grabbing our

We should all be grabbing our pitchforks and lit torches instead.

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Peace Gold Love

Remember peace, sign the petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

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We want a pardon because they're drawing up charges

He will be charged with a crime and thousands of people are already asking for a pardon. Sign the petition here. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...

Technically, he broke an oath and did commit a real crime. Nonetheless, asking for a pardon isn't hurting anything.

I get what you're saying though, and I agree to the extent that I still support asking for a pardon.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

One in a thousand

Mr. Snowden is truly one in a thousand, to expose illegal activities the government is doing.
I suspect this crap has been going on for the past 10 years and there are many others (contractors, and gov't employees) who knew about this and did absolutely nothing.
Mr. Snowden has put himself in exile and risked his life, He is a true American Hero in my opinion.
Many real criminals have been pardoned over the years, why not pardon somone who made himself a political refugee?

The point is not that his act

The point is not that his act is unheroic and unworthy of pardon; it's that it's not criminal in the first place and shouldn't require pardoning.

The perspective should be the inverse: Rather than petitioning for his pardon, people should be seeking to take the crowns from the heads of the royal criminals...

Whether still attached to their wearers or not.

Good point

but the US govt is the one who has declared him a criminal.

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Truth is Treason

in the empire of LIES ! Ron couldn't have said it better

i think actions like these

i think actions like these are usually a a preventative action to what everyone assumes government will be stupidely contemplating

But i whole heartedly agree with your sentiment, asking a pardon from a government you believe has granted itself authority illegally, only validates them.....but at the same time i think, well, what if there was no official peoples voice making its point clear, "officially"......does it limit them, limit certain considered actions, do we still have some semblence of that ability?

I agree...

Snowden doesn't need to be pardoned; he wasn't wrong to blow the whistle, and he is not a criminal.

The program should have been public information from the beginning. Actually, the program shouldn't have existed, and -- had the public known about it -- it probably wouldn't have been allowed to exist.

Whose bright idea was it to classify the program into secrecy? The people who rendered it *Top Secret* should be exposed. The people who hid it seem to believe they can hide anything they want, that their employer [WE THE PEOPLE] shouldn't know about the things they do.

What else have they classified? All of their secretive works should be exposed; after all, their work truly is supposed to be made public.