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Glenn Greenwald Smart Enough Not To Tell All Immediately

Just like any good Texas Hold Em poker player who suppresses his facial reaction to being dealt 2 Aces face down on the deal, Glenn Greenwald isn't about to let the U.S. Media make him a one and done journalist that exposes his tell as to what his future articles will reveal as to what all U.S. citizens need to know about NSA abuses of the 4th Amendment.

Greenwald's genius is in letting the U.S. Media have their initial reaction in defending the Obama administration and past administrations enactment of secret,
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) approvals, and not secret, Patriot Act abuses to the Constitution, specifically the 4th Amendment; "unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause."

It was just last December when Rand Paul was one of only 3 Republican Senators who voted against H.R. 5949 (112th): FISA Amendments Act Reauthorization Act of 2012 in a 73-23 vote. Only 7 Republicans voted against it in the House where the vote was 301 - 118 in favor.

The U.S. Media is trying to play their cards now, not knowing what Greenwald's hand is. They are trying to convince those watching their shows that the U.S. public is in favor of expanded government surveillance.

The media has received the same memo from the White House on this; convince the public that they want to have less privacy in return for more security, and tout the recent Pew Poll (how timely) asking if they mind giving up a little intrusion of privacy in order for the government to investigate terrorists threats.

In fact, neo-conservative Republicans, just like the Senators they voted in who swore to uphold the Constitution but voted "Yay" for more surveillance and against the 4th Amendment, lead the way in willingly giving up their Constitutional Rights for more Big Brother intrusion into their lives.

Of course what Pew poll doesn't tell the public is the survey data is released five months after the reports are issued. You don't even know who was asked! Most of these polls are unreliable to begin with because you don't know what state is called and a random sample of 1000 people doesn't necessarily support the real heart and soul of a nation when the questions asked don't reveal the whole truth of the NSA programs to begin with. Greenwald, you can bet, will provide more clarity in the weeks ahead.

Pew Poll on NSA

None the less, latest headlines from a Google search on what the U.S. Media says about this Pew poll shows how the U.S. Media only takes one side of the story; the side that says it's OK to give up some freedoms in the name of protecting us from the big bad terrorists:

Many Americans Appear Resigned to Surveillance
New York Times‎

Americans say they are pretty comfortable with expanded government surveillance
Christian Science Monitor‎ - by Dan Murphy‎

To the media I say, have you seen
the killings that continue to occur in President Obama's home state lately? Is NSA doing anything about stopping these domestic terrorists, or just the one's with long beard's? How about the over 100,000 gangs that scatter our cities? Or is one race of non-white's killing another race of non-whites acceptable? It seems to be to the national media.

The U.S. Media is playing their hand as strongly as they can to win over the American public. Glenn Greenwald has 2 Aces in the hole and a few more articles to come as this hand plays out.



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I don't know a freakin' soul…not one

…even those I consider to be still living in slumberland…that is in favor of this…not one. I have absolutely no belief that these polls are real anymore. They live in the Santa, Easter Bunny, ToothFairy, Sandman Box….

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Aaron Russo Tackles The Issue Of Polls Well

He explains that the media just uses polling to promote tyranny of the majority and mob rule.

He addresses it in his interview with Alex Jones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

And in his film "Mad As Hell" (pre-dates "Freedom To Fascism"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64z6lAcmVIk

It's amazing how spot on he is in "Mad As Hell." Long before 9/11, he's talking about indefinite detention, war on terror, national ID card, warrantless wiretapping, government data gathering and spying, evisceration of 4th Amendment (thanks to Newt) and 5th Amendment (thanks to Clinton), and so much more.

"In the history of the world America has come the closest to being a free country. Let's not blow it."--Aaron Russo, "Mad As Hell"

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

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Aaron Russo

Does make me wonder how much more press Russo would have received if he hadn't have died. At least with a Hollywood background, he might have got more Charlie Sheen types to come forward on the side of Liberty, without worry as to what it would to to their career. In a way, like Snowden did. He gave up everything to expose what he did.

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About That Pew Research Center Chart

Notice how the independents tended to shift with the Democrats. To me that indicates that most independents lean left in their politics.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I did notice the high number of independents in the poll who

voted for less intrusion in 2006, but voted for more intrusion in 2012. This would mean that in 2012, they lean Republican and may represent the Tea Party faction that is more neo-conservative than liberty minded. Why else would this faction want more government intrusion (war, TSA, etc.) as the poll shows? This faction of the Tea Party still listens to Fox News for lack of any other source (or knowledge of source) of Liberty minded news/information. And hear I thought the term "Tea Party" was supposed to be "a term that has become synonymous with "protest.""

No better time to protest what is going on with this government and its abuses than now.

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Isn't it perfectly clear what the NSA is really doing

TPTB are using federal reserve phunny "money" to build the largest intelligence gathering system in the world to control global politics. Their is a class of people who are using this intelligence grid to control political processes where ever possible with the prime objective being the US.

Do you really think they are going to allow anyone else to commandeer control of the US military by a random voting process? HELL NO! They are going to print "money" first and foremost to control the political process. This is what this intelligence enables them to do. The game is rigged. We are blind where they can see and we are screwed as long as we allow their "money" system to continue. We the People are what enables their system to work at all and we have total authority to abolish our participation in their system at all times. Maybe the time has come to abolish the whole federal government? Or maybe the criminals claiming to be "government" and outright lying about the whole terrorism issue as cover need to be brought to justice and go to jail. I believe that at this point this corrupt criminal class are so powerful that it is going to take the full force of the US military to bring them to justice. Maybe it is not only time for congressional hearings and criminal actions brought by grand juries maybe it is time for We the People to actually demand that our representatives issue an official US Declaration of War against this criminal class of control freak banking money men that Karen Hudes references from this study:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed-...

Maybe an actual official US Declaration of War against them is what is required at this point.

Those of us who have been paying close attention to their activities since their broader revealing during Iran/Contra know who they are and we know how it connects into illegal drugs, 9-11 and the total information awareness roots of these latest NSA scandals with old iran/contra convict himself Mr.Poindexter. Yes some of us out here know the who what when why where how of these criminals activities and I'll bet there are a lot of defense intelligence, CIA, FBI, NSA and others who know this as well and if they don't yet they will soon. With that kind of intel you can bet your bottom dollar that they can use this technology RIGHT NOW to find and destroy the real enemy of course they may also find that the intel has everyone EXCEPT for the criminals who architected all of the compartmentalization to make it happen. Of course the result of their control freak activities is always right in front of our faces with the favorably viewed politicians in MSM. Why do you think that congress is hovering around 10-15% "officially" but in reality is probably not even on the radar screen at all.

I think Americans should consider opting out of the government tax and money system completely at this point or seriously consider demanding that Congress issue a US Declaration of War against the globalist money men who are funding and facilitating terrorism around the world and intentionally using it as cover for implementing a planetary technocratic information control grid and police state to control all politics and justice.

I would argue that military personnel are already justified for action due to their obligatory oath to the Constitution along with the fact that inherently every single one of them is violating their oath by accepting Federal Reserve Notes as tender wherein this entire situation is derived from intentional fraud being carried by this same criminal class that is controlling our political process subverting our laws via their mass criminal conspiracy to force We the People to pay them to build all the tools they need to gain total control over the laws and justice of our land. This corrupt criminal class of men and women need to be brought to Justice immediately or we need simply completely withdraw all participation in funding our own demise into their tyrannical despotism.

That's why these current scandals are just the tip of iceberg. We are talking about the same continuing groups that have been building this eternally and are connected to the assignation of the Kennedys and every president assassinated in the history of the US. This is America's and the World's real enemy and we are starting to see this first revealing of their technocratic control grid. However, the only power they have over us is that which we unknowingly give them with every little assumption of everything being ok and every vote of confidence in someone we know nothing about and every decision to give them your labors for their own secret uses. These are the decisions that gave them unfathomable power. We Americans have given away all of own power by giving into fear of the unknown and not accepting liability for own safety and security.

How much more is it going to take America before we realize in mass that these people are not defending us they are controlling us and they are the enemy of all free people everywhere. How long is it going to take for you mainline republican wannabe's to realize that 9-11 and "terrorism" is their psyop against you. They did it and they knew exactly what they were doing and now you are just beginning to see why they did it and the unlawful and dangerous power it gives them. If you don't wake up now then you may lose everything because once they have their technocratic control grid fully in place they will squeeze everyone into their mass eugenics agendas for trimming human tree. Hell the same criminal front men even disclosed their whole plan for their arsenal.

Who are the control freak criminals? Here is my advice to the others inside the NSA insiders.

If you want to find the real international terrorist ring use your tools to find the following interconnected entities:
All the entities mentioned in the swiss report
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf

All prime movers involved with Iran Contra affair especially George HW Bush, the entire Bush family and their NAZI ties through banking along with other Skull and Bones members involved
All neocons connected with Iran Contra and find the connections with the Clintons and Asa Hutchinson's connection to the drug's in Arkansas during Iran Contra
All Skull and Bones members throughout history and skull and bones member surrounding the Kennedy assassination
All the Clintons activities throughout their career in politics and map all unnatural deaths or those in prison or looney bins of those that were in contact with the Clintons throughout their career
Carlyle Group and all members of their board and their transaction history
Halliburton/KBR
All members of the Defense policy board and similar entities for the last 50 years
All security companies that touch anything to do with 9-11 and Carlyle Group and subsidiaries and especially aircraft companies that link to 9-11 the historical track of all personnel that relate to those entities
University of Chicago Straussian Neocon Connections
All mercenary groups such as Academi and Craft and map all of their worldwide contracted activities
World Bank Reps
IMF Reps
Bank of International Settlements

Hey NSA patriots why don't you go ahead and publish a real time map of all those listed above along with their personal interactions with all business executives related to those involved the flow of all currency of everyone so that we can see what the criminals listed above have been up to so that we can go ahead and bring them to justice and move past this insane nightmare. OK! Can we go ahead and do that now so that we can get this whole justice finalized and move on so that we can live in peace and not have a NAZI style technocratic eugenics driven control grid? Is that Cool? I am cool with that.

SEE WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT KIND OF INTEL!
THE CRIMINALS ARE SCREWED!

WAKE UP AMERICA!

THEY ARE LISTENING.

LET THEM HEAR YOU!!!!

P.S. Can I also get a side of intel on every interaction and real time transactionary money map of my local politicians Judges and DAs along with all of their interconnections to any entity outside of their "government" work. Thanks!

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Which gets fed to Sigint....

Which is headquartered in Haifia, Israel interesting enough.
So it's blackmail. It is outright BLACKMAIL across every measure....not just for them, but for London's own stasi.

Intel

"Can I also get a side of intel on every interaction and real time transactionary money map of my local politicians Judges and DAs along with all of their interconnections to any entity outside of their "government" work. Thanks!"

And Congress and the White House records of interactions with the media! Good points!

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Thanks for posting

The partisan shift. It is scary to think how many Americans think it's ok for the government to spy IF their party is in power.

The MSM has hypnotized many citizens into the left/right illusion.

Nothing else to be said really, the numbers speak for themselves.
Someone should send those numbers to Chris Hays. He's been hammering Obama on this crap. I bet Lou Dobbs would be interested in those numbers too.

Great write up Doug,

and thank you all for the excellent discussion below.

I'm extremely proud of Greewald and all of the people in his circle. This has already accomplished a great deal in exposing the corrupt system from the president, the upper leadership of the two parties, the media, and for those it woke up, their party mates that haven't.

The interviews with Greewald reinforced my belief that all MSM is CIA trained.

CIA Trained

or just gets the memo from the White House Chief of Staff.

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Thats one leak I would love to read...

Bill O. or Sean Hannity's contract with Fox, declaring that nothing they say can be outside the 3x5 pre-approved pentagon news. One only need remember Adrian Cronauer and his plight against the system, I would dare guess their contracts would look much the same.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

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Hell, I hadn't even thought about information to link the MSM

to the CIA.

But it could EASILY be there, a working relationship W/DETAILS.

Holy, Moly. I knew this was big, but this could unwind a lot of shit!

Thanks

This reminds me of the early 70's when I was in collage. NOBODY took the government seriously.

We were both right and wrong back then.

The question that was asked is this...

Do you feel comfortable with the government data mining your information while looking for terrorist threats, and this is allowed under the constitution. In the event of an inevitable terrorist attack if the government knows the suspects are in the greater Atlanta metro area, then they have the right to gain a warrant to cast a surveillance web on the calls in this area until the threat is reduced, or in the worst case the attack carried out. What the question does not say is "do you mind the government looking through all of your records on a constant basis to try and find a terrorist that may or may not exist", and there in lies the rub.

The government does have the right to specifically target an area that they have credible evidence or "probable cause" and can obtain a warrant to listen to calls in a specific area for a specific thing, but not a global surveillance fishing expedition. The one thing that is a pure shame is that the whistle blower in this case did not drop off a multitude of information damning to those Senators who violated the 4th amendment to make prosecutions of treason easier, or did he?

It would be interesting to find that the thousands of documents he took implicated everyone from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the cast and crew of the neo con hour, to big names like Feinstein, Holder, Obama, the IRS, DHS, HHS, CDC and others that would open the Pandora's box to the entire world. Imagine the U.S. Marshal service putting these criminals in handcuffs along with Graham and McCain and hauling them off in front of the cameras. I know, I know, wishful thinking, but us conspiracy theorists that warned of government intrusion can dream cant we?

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Many politicians are guilty

Many politicians are guilty of Subversion of the US Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion_(politics)

@ Michaelwiseguy

Funny the conversation we had last week and now this, this may well be the catalyst for a non violent revolution if the sheep wake up and raise enough hell. I wont count my chickens until they are hatched though...

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Great question, and a wishful answer.

I think the propaganda will intensify while the illusion of power will diminish and at some point collapse.

On the other hand, the bad guys are in real deep, and a they may play a Jericho option. They will avoid the rule of law at all costs.

You are correct...

And a false flag on an American city blamed on Iran might be just the thing they feel will take the public's eye off the ball. I am certainly going to be scanning the papers for a DHS nuclear detonation drill in my area, and get me and the family out, because with all of the drills that occurred during 9/11, 7/7, Oklahoma city's ATF, and just released the Boston Bombing, I would dare say it is a good thing that the dumbed down statists have no idea what Occam's razor is, else traffic might be heavy whilst getting the hell out of town...lol

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

That would be

That would be a nice Pandora's box to open!

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Knowing the Washington Post

Knowing the Washington Post has the same information, I wonder who will get the next scoop.

I think that poll was sent to hand selected folks, you know

The 90% that were for a federal gun registration... lmao

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

The best thing that could happen:

Is if Glenn Greenwald reports on specific instances of individuals abusing the system for personal gain. For example, an ex boyfriend stalking an ex girlfriend. That way, the whole argument of "keeping you safe" goes right out the window and not even the die-hard Obama-lovers would support it.

The interesting question for me is..

A good point averagedude1986....many Dems, it seems from the Senators and House Reps voting on the bill I mentioned in the article, would disagree with Obama on this one. That video of Obama speaking out of both sides of his mouth as a Senator and now flip flopping as President, is quite telling.

The interesting question for me is...how do you convince the neo-conservative crowd that don't mind government intrusion that said intrusion is of sinister nature? The neo-cons seem to love the intrusion based on the Senate/House vote on the bill last year and the Pew poll results.

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I decided to peak in at HotAir.com to see their take

I decided to peak in at HotAir.com to see their take on Greenwald's account of Snowden and what they said about Ron or Rand Paul.

One article asked why Snowden didn't release this to Ron or Rand Paul.The general answer was that if released to Ron, everyone would have ignored what Ron said, and if released to Rand, his hands would have been tied in doing anything about it (which Rand has mentioned concerning the topic on TV).

What was nice to see is the comment section filled with many posters disagreeing with the neo-conservative view or slant of some of the articles. There was a lot of confusion with many of the one's commenting. They seem to have always ignored anyone who promoted what Ron Paul might have said and now wonder what the hell is going on!

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Glenn should NOT have let on that he knows

where Edward Snowden may be---I doubt he really knows, because it seems to me their last contact would have been the last one. Why? It is obvious that the CIA would be monitoring Glenn's communications, whether he has it encrypted or not. Glenn must have known that he made a mistake in that interview for he changed it the next time he spoke on TV. It is dangerous for him to talk at all to Snowden, as the CIA can look over his shoulder. How?

The CIA could easily have bugged his residence with a video/audio inputs monitoring EVERYTHING he's doing with a pinpoint camera to view any typed communications right over his shoulder.

I hope that the two guys were smart enough to avoid any communication at all from that day forward.

Hopefully, there are plans in place that will prevent the CIA from stopping forthcoming information. Snowden is not a dummy. They know that, and it's no doubt frustrating them right this minute.

I pray to GOD and the angels in heaven to protect him from harm and to protect his traveling, if he is moving. I believe he is not in contact with The Guardian anymore. He can't be, or he'd be caught.

Yeah, could be chess moves by Greenwald and Snowden

Perhaps they make everyone think Snowden is in Hong Kong (not the best place to prevent extradition) while Snowden is in Latin America somewhere as Wikileaks Assange had suggested. If it was you, where would you be? Where would you like everyone to think you are? Somewhere else.

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Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

Yeah, and perhaps the Washington Post was given

information, and Edward, all the while knowing that the Post would NEVER publish all that information, knowing they are shills for the government.

Why would he have done that? To expose the Washington Post for what they were---a government shill.

As a result, BARTON GELLMAN, his contact, only published FOUR PAGES of over 20 pages of documentation. Why? Wow, because Barton's so courageous he had to get the approval of the NSA....first! What a guy...

I think it points out how corrupt the Big Media is, and it contrasts it all to the Guardian.

Some good points cepivon

Not sure about you, but I have followed and admired the writings of Greenwald for quite some time. Your points about Big Media don't apply to him, but would to practically everyone else we know of in mainstream media except maybe the Judge, Stossel and Ben Swann who don't quite have the stage as all the other influencers.

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Had to plug it since you mentioned Swann

http://www.dailypaul.com/288499/a-call-to-all-patriots-now-i...

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an