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America is and Always has been a Christian Nation! (Video)

"America's Best Christian" Betty Bowers offers proof that we are indeed actually a christian nation and always have been

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-8 for a pro-constitution video??

oh yeah the christians hated it yet for some reason cant seem to articulate why it's "bad"

Sarcastic titles don't work so well

I suspect many are down-voting this because they don't realize that both your title and description are sarcastic and they didn't bother watching the video, which is aimed at skewering the notion that the U.S. is a "Christian nation."

and, what would you suggest?

the title of the youtube video was basically the same as my thread title

So many down votes for the

So many down votes for the truth. Kinda unsettling.

A video that promotes the constitution no less

on a freakin site "dedicated to restoring constitutional gov't"!

What's your truth?

What's your truth?

Christian and religion

are two totally different things and should never be confused.
The "founding fathers" based the constitution of the USA on the religious trends and ideals of the era, based on the written word of the Bible of the day.
Christianity is a state of being.... a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

In what sense

is the Constitution based on religious trends and ideals?

Is that stuff in Article 1? 2? One of the other Articles? Or is it somewhere among the amendments?

I don't see it.

A commentary on 1st Ammendment....

"Probably at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the amendment to it now under consideration, the general, if not the universal sentiment was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private right of conscience and the freedom of religious worship. An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation(condemnation), if not universal indignation...The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance(favor), much less to advance, Mohammedanism(Islam), or Judaism, or infidelity(atheism), by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government." - Justice Joseph Story, "Commentaries on the Constitution", 1833.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

Just a few of our founding father quotes below

The Founders As Christians
04/2006
(Note: this is a representative list only, there are many other quotes that could be listed)
Samuel Adams
Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

Will of Samuel Adams
Charles Carroll
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.

From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.
William Cushing
First Associate Justice Appointed by George Washington to the Supreme Court
Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind, after recommending my soul to Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to the earth . . .

Will of William Cushing
John Dickinson
Signer of the Constitution
Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

Will of John Dickinson
John Hancock
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I John Hancock, . . . being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth . . . nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God. . .

Will of John Hancock
Patrick Henry
Governor of Virginia, Patriot
This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.
Will of Patrick Henry
John Jay
First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court
Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!

Will of John Jay
Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
Signer of the Constitution
In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .

Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
Henry Knox
Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War
First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .

Will of Henry Knox
John Langdon
Signer of the Constitution
In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . professing to believe and hope in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life . . .

Will of John Langdon
John Morton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
With an awful reverence to the great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, I, John Morton . . . being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory-thanks be given to Almighty God for the same, for all His mercies and favors-and considering the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the times thereof, do, for the settling of such temporal estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with in this life . . .

Will of John Morton
Robert Treat Paine
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.

Robert Treat Paine, The Papers of Robert Treat Paine, Stephen Riley and Edward Hanson, editors (Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1992), Vol. I, p. 48, March/April, 1749.
[W]hen I consider that this instrument contemplates my departure from this life and all earthly enjoyments and my entrance on another state of existence, I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of his providential goodness and his forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state, acknowledging with grateful remembrance the happiness I have enjoyed in my passage through a long life. . .

Will of Robert Treat Paine
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Signer of the Constitution
To the eternal, immutable, and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever, Amen!. . .

Will of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Rufus Putnam
Revolutionary War General, First Surveyor General of the United States
[F]irst, I give my soul to a holy, sovereign God Who gave it in humble hope of a blessed immortality through the atonement and righteousness of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit. My body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner. I fully believe that this body shall, by the mighty power of God, be raised to life at the last day; 'for this corruptable (sic) must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.' [I Corinthians 15:53]

Will of Rufus Putnam
Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!

Benjamin Rush, The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, George Corner, editor (Princeton: Princeton University Press for the American Philosophical Society, 1948), p. 166, Travels Through Life, An Account of Sundry Incidents & Events in the Life of Benjamin Rush.
Roger Sherman
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Constitution
I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. . . . that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God. . . . that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the Gospel offer.

Lewis Henry Boutell, The Life of Roger Sherman (Chicago: A. C. McClurg and Company, 1896), pp. 272-273.
Richard Stockton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, the universal defection and depravity of human nature, the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior, the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life, and the universality of the divine Providence, but also . . . that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state; that all occasions of vice and immorality is injurious either immediately or consequentially, even in this life; that as Almighty God hath not been pleased in the Holy Scriptures to prescribe any precise mode in which He is to be publicly worshiped, all contention about it generally arises from want of knowledge or want of virtue.

Will of Richard Stockton
Jonathan Trumbull Sr.
Governor of Connecticut, Patriot
Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ.

Will of Jonathan Trumbull
John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.

John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. V, pp. 276, 278, The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ, January 2, 1758.

IB4: "Well duh freedom and liberty are Christian principles."

Which one of these quotes indicates that the U.S. was founded on Christian principles?

Are you just saying that, "Because many founders were Christian it HAS TO be founded on Christian principles"?

You realize that wouldn't make any sense right? That's like saying because Hitler was Catholic, Nazism must have been founded on Catholic principles. Or it's like saying that because I'm an atheist, I drive my car with atheistic principles. Doesn't make any sense.

If I make a paper airplane and I'm religious, does that inherently concern my religion? No. Is my paper airplane automatically religious like me? No.
So if I make a government, why must that concern my religion unless I specifically make it so?
Unless I write, "YAY CHRIST" on the side of the airplane, it has nothing to do with religion, right? So if you're going to make the claim that this country has religious principles, the onus is on you to prove it.

Without ACTUALLY SHOWING A LINK between the religion and its principles and our system of government the rest of that is meaningless. I've pointed this out several times with no response. Why? Because our nation was SPECIFICALLY FORMED WITHOUT RELIGION even despite the presence of many religious founders. They did that on purpose. That speaks measures of the principles the nation was founded on. They were concerned with making a government that promoted freedom and liberty, not religion or religious principles.

IB4: "Well duh freedom and liberty are Christian principles."

wow.

Posts like this ruin the image of the Daily Paul.

"Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear." - Benjamin Franklin

how so?

is diversity such a bad thing?

There is no such thing.

There are no nations based on religions or anything else. There are only arbitrary borders set up around people and they have some of the people governing the land mass and the people they call the nation. To imply a nation is Christian, or any other religion, is to say that somehow you can force someone to be a religion, you can legislate according to a religion(impossible since 2 preachers can't even agree on interpretation) or you are mandated to be that religion divinely. All nonsense. There cannot be a nation based on a religion, it can only be what the people in charge want it to be and the people being ruled allow it to be. Remember, the pilgrims left a "Christian nation" to go be Christian free from persecution. The constitution governs the government, and it says the government cannot legislate or establish a religion, that is up to the people.

No train to Stockholm.

Actually your wrong

Vatican City is its own nation, it's 100% Catholic.

In addition, this country was founded under Christian principles. All you have to do is read the earliest writings of the founding fathers.

Truly free people should be able to set up their own countries, their own religion etc and they should have borders.

A borderless world is just one big border that you can't escape, if it turns tyrannical and it eventually will, you are screwed.

I happen to think Athiests are over thinking it, but I have no problem with their master of the universe idealism, but iI would never live in an Athiest country.

The US is not a country without religion or God, just a country that does not make any one religion official by the state.

I love that

"Master of the universe idealism"
Yeah, how arrogant of me to assume that the entire billion galaxy universe wasn't 'created' just for me.

Sorry, but atheism is far more humbling than believing I'm God's favorite and will live forever in paradise land.

You keep alluding to 'the earliest writings of the founding fathers' but not making any connection between that and what is codified in our governing documents (you also lack any specifics.) The question here isn't, "Were the founders religious?" but, "is our nation based on their religious principles?"
Our nation, more than anything else, is based on a few political theories and principles.

Which principle that our government (or even our nation) abides by is Christian in any way?

Saying we were founded on 'Christian principles' is disingenuous

The U.S. was founded on a set of competing political theories that arose out of Enlightenment thinking. 'Christian principles' wherever they are present, are an after thought, taking a back seat to notions like 'rejection of tyranny,' 'protection of individual rights,' 'negative liberty,' and other POLITICAL, entirely non-religious ideas.

Seriously

read the personal writings of the founding fathers, this country absolutely was founded on Christian principles.

Like Thomas Paine?

Your assertion has counter evidence. Just sayin.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Christian principles such as, what?

You're skirting by being vague.
Explain the principles that were used and where they or their influence is codified.

Now it won't play...

Taken down due to controversy? [Edit: now it's playing again] Thanks for posting it, got some good chuckles out of it.

Some here claim the nation was formed on 'Christian values'? It's like you're saying that Christians have the patent to the golden rule! Isn't just possible that atheists and non-Christians still know how, and do, treat other people right? Maybe even better than some Christians treat others?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

good point BugMan

no one owns the golden rule, its ridiculous when people try and say it's solely a christian value

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Christian nation or not, is a divisive argument and distraction.

What the forefathers' religious backgrounds were is irrelevant.

The fact remains, that regardless, they protected freedom of religion, and any designated theocracy was clearly ruled out, which is what those that argue for it being a "Christian nation," more often than not, seem to be reaching for and attempting to justify.

A tactic which I have always found appalling and disingenuous.

I agree

I agree 100 percent! As a Christian, who doesn't believe we're a Christian nation, but a secular nation founded on the principles of Christian thought!

Hmmmm....

If our nation is a Christian nation...and we shall know a tree by it's fruit...shall we examine the fruit of our "Christian" nation? Just sayin'. Christians might want to think twice about laying claim to this nation. This talk brings me back to one of my favorite quotes:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

Oooo, I like

I like agreeing with people! But we should be proud of the laying out of its foundation in its founding documents! I do find them a treasure trove of good ideas that have been corrupted. Ha, as for not liking Christians, I've found I mostly don't like any group! But Jesus calls us to love them all anyway. Without him, I'd be in the pure hatred for all category.

Like Homer...

Telling Bart, "If you get Jury Duty, just tell them your prejudice against all races."


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There is no duration defined in the Oath

Once upon a time

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Dismissed.

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Damn

That is brilliant

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