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GUANTANAMO is 'medical ethics-free zone' say doctors. This story will break your heart.

From the Guardian. This story made me tear up for those 166 men being held without charge (WITHOUT CHARGE for over a decade!!!)....the same individuals when...10 years ago...I would have said "let em rot".

I suppose my tears are more disgust at myself that I have let this go on for so long. Obama is a complete lying hypocrite for not closing GITMO in 2009, "one of the first things I will do", he infamously said.

The world is not any "safer" because of GITMO. And many of the detainees are probably not even terrorists....who, at least, even if they ARE terrorists, if the Magna Carta is correct (and vetted for almost 800 YEARS!)...they deserve a fair trial...not to mention charges filed.

Check out the shocking documentary The Road to Guantanamo

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-road-to-guantanamo/

Meanwhile, to quote from the Guardian:

"The hunger strike among the 166 detainees at Guantánamo Bay – the vast majority of whom have been held WITHOUT CHARGE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE – began in February, over allegations that guards had behaved roughly and mishandled Qu'rans when they discovered contraband in prisoners' cells. The allegations have been strongly denied by military authorities but the strike has now morphed into a broader protest about conditions at the base and the fate of those held there."

"Despite the fact that 86 OF THOSE HELD HAVE BEEN CLEARED FOR RELEASE, there is little concrete sign that they will be transferred any time soon. The hunger strike has caused headlines around the world and highlighted the failure of President Barack Obama to fulfill a 2008 campaign promise to close the base."

"It has, however, prompted Obama to address the issue. In a high-profile speech in May the president renewed his vow to shut the base down and said he would transfer cleared prisoners to their home countries and appoint a top official to oversee that process. Since then, no appointee has been named and no prisoners have been released."

Full story here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/guantanamo-bay-d...

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How have we become a nation supporting our own monsters and psychopaths, to allow this type of indefinite detention and torture???

Where is our conscience? Where are our "supposed" Judaeo-Christian values to allow (or even support) this to happen?

Has any populace in any totalitarian regime which has ever terrorized this planet, under Stalin or Hitler (or a lite version under Bush/Obama for that matter), not become a de facto accomplice to the crime themselves when they (the populace) allow these crimes against humanity to occur in the first place??

I think the answer to that rhetorical question, is obvious.

WAKE UP America.

Those 166 men agonizing in GITMO for a decade and being force-fed because of a hunger strike, against ALL medical ethics, and depriving them of their last shred of dignity to protest by even refusing food, those 166 poor, pathetic, and probably doomed men...could be YOU one day.

From Wikipedia: "Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:"

'First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.' "

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~Christopher M
Norfolk, VA



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It gets worse. Way worse.

The American Psychiatric Profession went so far as to publicly condone psychiatrists in interrogations. And we've known for decades that medical doctors have been used in interrogations to revive patients when they pass out under interrogation and to advise interrogators as to "point of objective". Meaning how badly can you torture somebody and still allow them to recover enough to be meaningfully tortured for information again.

And that's just regular armed forces. Just imagine what the black box people have at their disposal.

"Medical ethics". I could almost spit that term on the floor. Even civilian EMTs and Paramedics are starting to act like cops these days.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

It's gotta be the costume

Every time you give someone a gubermint job that includes a costume of some type they think they're a god or something. Is it because thy hire the dumbest of the dumb or is it something else? I don't know...

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

If this doesn't prove what a ruthless liar Barry Sotero is

to his followers, nothing will. And frankly, if you still believe in the Great Leader you have no hope, no compassion, you're dead to me!

Everyone should watch The Road To Guantanamo today.

Thanks for posting Sharkhearted.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

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Absolutely, Ira.

A sordid subject...but a necessary one. Hopefully justice will one day prevail.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Smuggler's Blues

Are there any Edward Snowden types employed at Gitmo?
If there is, could you please make a documentary vid. and smuggle it out for the world and U.S. to see.
Be careful, be safe, and thanks

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Bump for exposure...

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Keep it opened.

If fortunes change, one day we may have a few ex-presidents to occupy it.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Yes, this story is heartbreaking.

Thank you for sharing it and bringing it to the attention of all those here at the DP.

Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net

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The crazy thing about it...is the down voters.

For the life of me I can not understand someone who would down vote this...but then again I forgot about disinformation trolls.

Regardless of them...thank you for your support.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I don't get the downvoting on something like this, either.

Thanks for keeping the Guantanamo issue alive.

Bump

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Totally agree!

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Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net

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God bless you and thank you for your rational support

You shall know the truth...and the truth shall SET YOU FREE.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Pogo: "We have met the enemy, and he is us".

Many Americans believe whatever those in power say, no matter how often the powerful people are caught lying.

Good thread, thanks for sharing your thoughts. It takes a strong personality to admit past errors in judgement and courage to change what is contrary to tranquility.

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Please read and share.

Thank you.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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Self bump

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

The title threw me off.

Doctors who are critical of Guantanamo are calling it a "medical ethic free zone." The title made it seem to me as if military doctors are justifying the prison camp as such.

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Seconded

I had a chill, thinking the story would be about doctors behaving in Guantanamo like doctors under Hitler's regime.

A bit hyperbolic. Still, a tragedy that we need to clean up.

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