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Update: Democrat Briefed Today on Surveillance Programs Says What's Publicly Known Is Only "Tip of Iceberg"

Update: Greenwald himself tweets this morning:

Seems as though from what he's seen, he knows what she's alluding to and like Sen Wyden and Sen Udall, hinting at how deep the rabbit hole really is. One can only hope we'll see some new leaked documents soon taking us a little further into it. (end of update)

Check this out (emphasis mine):

The federal surveillance programs revealed in media reports are just "the tip of the iceberg," a House Democrat said Wednesday.

Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) said lawmakers learned "significantly more" about the spy programs at the National Security Agency (NSA) during a briefing on Tuesday with counterterrorism officials.

"What we learned in there," Sanchez said, "is significantly more than what is out in the media today."

Lawmakers are barred from revealing the classified information they receive in intelligence briefings, and Sanchez was careful not to specify what members might have learned about the NSA's work.

"I can't speak to what we learned in there, and I don't know if there are other leaks, if there's more information somewhere, if somebody else is going to step up, but I will tell you that I believe it's the tip of the iceberg," she said.

She went on to say:

"I think it's just broader than most people even realize, and I think that's, in one way, what astounded most of us, too," Sanchez said of the briefing.

Seemed at first reading as though she was almost hopeful that someone would "step up" with additional leaks.. But after listening to her in the video that doesn't seem to be the case at all. She kept stressing "but it's legal" as though that settles the matter; as though the talking points she was spoonfed in the meeting were dispositive, and so we should all just go on our merry way.

I dunno. If you watch the video post your thoughts, I'm curious what people think of her interview.

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*For those who saw it while it was up extremely briefly, apologies for my initial headline; that's the way her words read to me. But after watching the video of her remarks, you can see how the tone she actually takes gives her words a different significance than that which I attributed to them based on reading alone.*

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CRAP... unique digital signature of your voice

It came to me today.. I remembered that famous drug dude in south america they caught because they searched the airways for a match on their data base of his unique voice signature.

THEY COULD MATCH UP ALL VOICE CONVERSATIONS MERELY WITH SIGNATURE... this is specualtion, no proof, but this could be very possible. Also they embed the serial number of camera in photos and heard GPS location also stored in photo, not sure though.

Might be worse than that


That was from 2001.

Just open the box and see

Maybe she found that "we have

Maybe she found that "we have found the enemy... and he is us."

I worked for MA BELL till 1995

Up until then, to my knowledge, we ALWAYS had to have a warrant to put a "trap" on a line, unless it was you requesting a trap on your own line due to harassing phone calls. THAT was the ONLY exception.

After I left, I believe all this crap started, or maybe it started just prior to leaving. I worked there for 15 years, first as a Service Rep, then, later as an Account Executive.

We had a code of ethics we had to work by.


The Constitution requires we have a warrant BEFORE we allow any other agency, or FBI, or CIA entity information regarding YOUR account. This unfettered access is really egregious and totally illegally criminal.

I know Judge Napolitano said the phone & internet companies had to obey the government, but I disagree---they had the right to commit CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE and make it public. Nothing would have happened to them, imo.

Our so-called bought & paid politicians must go-----now.

And, the FISA ACT should be repealed immediately.

Well, I can think of one thing that "would have happened

to them", had any of them gone public with that government demand. Their companies would have boomed big time. Unless, of course, the government shut them down.

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―Emmet Fox

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I'm not sure about your assertion, evidence:

Qwest is still in business. Not as big, so your assertion carries some value.

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Like Napolotano said about our Founders

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of ... religion ... speech ... press ... assembly..." "No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Judge Napolitano said:

What offended the colonists when the soldiers came legally knocking was the violation of their natural right to privacy, their right to be left alone. We all have the need and right to be left alone. We all know that we function more fully as human beings when no authority figure monitors us or compels us to ask for a permission slip.

This lady, along with 90% of our Congressmen just don't get it that they are breaking our laws...the LAWS of our CONSTITUTION...period, end of story.

They should ALL be arrested and prosecuted for treason.

Some one give her a constitutional test

I think this lady has made promises, oath to uphold a constitution but dont understand her job. Any other carreer she would have to test and prove her skills and abilities and be retrained or fired if found to be short. Seems if she thinks a gov for the people and by the people should violate privacy and freedome of the very people it should serve as in service. Ask not what I can do for my country but by what right my country steals my private property every day?


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Regarding stealing your private property...

Just try maintaining a homestead and not paying for other people's kids to be educated.

Your home will be taken from you by force.

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I agree Sovereign, and the most sickening part

Is most of the Republican reactions have been to the left of Sanchez.

Great thread Laphog, keep the updates coming!

This Democrat seems to have half a brain

Though she is no Einstein.

Her constant parroting of the remark but it's legal means that in the closed door meeting the congress people present were hammered with that phrase over and over.

Which means the meeting was essentially about damage control, and was run by administration representatives.

Her description of anger by most of the congressional halfwits who voted for the Patriot Act was rather amusing, yet also pathetic in a way.

Jon Rappoport . . .

is a long time investigative reporter (one of the few still out there). For those who haven't had a chance to do so, check out his take on this story. Something smells 'fishy' about the whole episode. Intel agency turf war ? You can read his commentary for June 13th here :


Good read

Thank you T of T I liked the part on Al Frankin that was a very good rip on him

Comments quoted above start after question at 43:30 mark.

For those that don't have time to sit thru almost 45 minutes of Sanchez walking the line of "it's legal, but I voted against the Patriot Act" nonsense.

APARTHEID.. truth stranger then fiction

ps edit.. SORRY THIS was meant to be a reply to J-whites comment and somehow ended at top, its in context to his comment.

When the settlers arrived in Cape Town it was run by the VOC (Dutch East India company) many Dutch came over, but there were also many Germans including 200 French Hugenot families. The VOC ruled the terrority and imposed many regulations and restrictions on the settlers. Some settlers liked it some didnt. Because many were protestants that fled persecution in Europe, these were also the very religous type that found the terrotory too liberal lol, but even though relgious were very anarchists, didnt like to be bossed around basically.

So bitternes krept in even before the English took over. Then the English took over (East India Company). Many settlers were hard pioneering types that kept getting further and further away from main terrority even stopped using money and living off the land and farming cattle etc. Eventually a big enough group broke off in the great trek after having enough of the English (many smaller groups called trek boers actually went first) and travelled over a 1000 miles and went to Natal.

Eventually 2 republics were set up inland, the Transvaal and the Orange Free State. These poeple were religious and once gold was discovered they tried to keep it a secret believing it would be a corrupting force. Once the news got out then the rest is history. Many poeple of a CERTAIN TRIBE (not african tribes) suddenly found themselves in this region and next thing you know the Boers are fighting the English. The word Boer is a Dutch word for farmer.

This was a hard fought battle, it evetually got down to 500000 English soldiers against the remaining 25000 bitter enders. these guys fought so hard that the English accepted a conditional surrender (note not un-conditional)

There was a clear distinction between the Cape Dutch and the Dutch decendants that went off to set up the new republics. Although both groups spoke same language, they were culturally apart with a very different mind set. Infact many of the Cape Dutch fought with the English in the Boer wars as they were the elites of the time and liked English rule.

What then started to happen was the English backed Cape Dutch started to co-opt the Boers since they spoke the same lanaguage known as Afrikaans, infact their history was so crap compared to the mighty brave Boers they stole their history, taught their kids they were infact Boers merely for speaking same language and lumped all the Boers and Cape Dutch into one group called the Afrikaaners, over time this led upto Afrikaaner nationalism and they defeated the Enlish speaking colonists by outvoting in an election and set up the Republic of South Africa independant of the British Empire.

Even though the Afrikaaners became one, it took a couple of generations for the co-opting to be totally successful, many Boers bitterly remembered the Cape Dutch who fought with the English and called then "Joiners" but slowly the kids indoctrinated at school forgot this. There were still a small group of Boers "the remanant" that fought for their republics and didnt want to be part of South Africa, a land they found free of inhabitants (many tribes were on the coast and the Africans came in large numbers as labour for the mines brought by the English)

Youll notice that even though South Africa was independant and the Afrikaaner backed government supposedly angry for what the English did in the Boer wars and the concentration camps (YES, THE ENGLISH INVENTED THE CONCENTRATION CAMP and killed 25% of the Boer population mostly woman and children put broken glass into their food etc) fought in WW1, WW2 Korean wars on side of the English. In the 70s we fought a proxy war for America through Henry Kissingers work against Russian backed Angolan forces.

Mandela working in a law firm (with a certain tribe, wink wink) was backed by the elites and fought against Apartheid. By this time (PURELY SPECULATION, what I think may have happened) the Afrikaaner elite broke off from the global elite and did their own thing, basically becoming like what the North Koreans are doing, but to be honest some dodgy stuff was still happening as we were cleary part of the cold war and fiercly anti-communist.

You guys can probably take it from here, surely many will remember all that anti-apartheid stuff shoved down your throat by mass media. We were essentially an early version of Iraq, Libya, Syria. Remember all the Hollywood Stars around Mandela, who controls Hollywood. Many of you anti-apartheid guys probably don't know anything about the PAC (Pan African Congress) the one group that wanted NO involvment from the west, yet their names will never feature anywhere in the west.

We had developed Nuclear waepons with Isreal (again some dodgy stuff as we had very strong links with Isreal, with one hand through the west we were attacked, then by the other hand we were helped by Isreal, maybe they needed us against the Russians, who knows)

Sure Apartheid was wrong, very wrong, but they didn't give a shit about apartheid like Saddam or Gaddafi, they wanted total control. The main opposition party is now Hellen Zille (note not African) and our PRIVATISED CENTRAL BANK is run by a former communist Gill Marcus (note not African) guess what group they from lol.

For me as a Christian God is in control, he let Apartheid come to an end because it was wrong and hopefully the Boers can come to realize their rights as free born created human beaings and defend themselves from the retribution they currently face for merely been born with a white skin in South Africa, but not with racist anger in their hearts, but follow the defence doctrine.

Im also not angry with the English because the elites get decent poeple to fight against decent poeple, very sad. Many good poeple died in WW2. oh well im tired now, but thought to give my 2cents.

PS... another edit. I'm not anti Mandela either, he fought for his freedom as was his right, but my focus is on his backers and their true intentions, he had a hard life in those prisons and respect him, but not his ideology.


It used to be "legal" to own black people. It used to be "legal" to lock people up for selling alcohol. It's currently "legal" to lock people up for smoking flowers. It's currently "legal" to manipulate the value of our currency. It's currently "legal" to drop bombs from radio controlled planes on innocent people. Legality does NOT mean morality.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!


Just another tool from the shed

Notice her hands every time she says "but, it's legal".

She holds them as if to say "stop, we can brook no questions about this issue, it's legal". Despite the fact that it's not. ;)

Her hands tell me that she knows it's legality is questionable. A law derived from an illegal law, is illegal too, isn't it?

Just open the box and see

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BUMP. Exactly right. The same old shed...

BUMP. Exactly right.

The same old shed...

The Superman Idea :


And yet another tool from it.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

That was an awesome read

I missed your post first time around. Thanks.

That seems to be quite evident, now. I never thought of it that way before.

I read the whole thing (and will again).

This section: The Complete Perversion of the Law


made me wonder, is he still alive? Did he write this yesterday about America specifically? He could have. ;)

Just open the box and see

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Well, I bet you liked. Check this out, too:

Well, I bet you liked. You're much welcome, sure. :)

Check this out, too; this may NOT disappoint you, either:




(Take that, ObaMARX, and your feeble-brained Obamanoids)

And yes, Bastiat could very well be believed still alive after writing this, especially considering nowadays' ever more infuriating news we have to put up with... on a daily basis. :/

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Well, there is a retired Congressman from Texas stepping up

Well, there is a retired Congressman from Texas stepping up against these infamous practices of The Law Perverted OVER AN ENTIRE PEOPLE, YOURS, Loretta.

Just thought you should know.

I suggest giving more attention AND THINKING HARDER to what he has to say and he is warning against :


For a NICE change.

You may note, also, he didn't need to be "appointed" or "debriefed" by any of this alphabet soup of trigram agencies to get a clue about WHAT THEM TRAITORS ARE UP TO.


"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Cyril . . . thanks for the link !

Ron Paul . . . the real deal

Traffic cameras

I have wondered about the capabilities of the cameras at intersections. Are they just for red light runners and detecting traffic flow for traffic light control? It would be super easy to have these read license places in real time and record your movement throughout the city. I'd be shocked if it wasn't already being done. I know for a fact that it's already on some police cars.

Very Possible

My brother was once pulled over. He asked the cop what he did and the cop responded we have cameras on this stretch of highway that scan license plates. (paraphrasing)

My brother had a warrant for his arrest in a different state and his license plate was flagged so a cop was dispatched to track him down. But long story short lots of bs ensued and he's still on probation for bs charges.

if congress, the courts and the executive office is complacent..

if congress, the courts and the executive office is complacent in this.... then its time to clean house.

We as Americans... have a duty to hold these people accountable for their action if they are found to be in violation of the constitution.

they can claim its legal all they want... but IT DOES NOT matter what they say since the country hasn't repealed the 4th amendment

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

"time to clean house"

Cleaning house has never been a question of when but how.


I'm not sure which was more chilling...her saying that this was only the tip of the ice burg or her calm reassurance that everything was legal. Seriously, where was the anger and assurance she'd fight to end it?

It may be legal,

but it's unconstitutional.

Thus making it

Thus making it illegal.

Besides, anyone using the excuse "well, it's legal" is trying to hide their moral failings.

I don't care if it is specifically mentioned as ok in the constitution (which it isn't), it is morally wrong and should not be done.