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Rand votes for cloture, to bring immigration bill to floor.

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[thinking outloud] Or maybe Rand

Or maybe Rand knows that this will end it once and for all. Why procrastinate. Why put off the inevitable.

There may be a time in my lifetime, after all, when we build this Republic from the ground up, once again.

I am at a complete loss of thought :-(

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

It's an obama-nation.

Obamacare was the second to the last step to full-spectrum tyranny. This Amnesty bill will be the last. This bill will make Obamacare enforceable. Everyone will be e-Verified, and Obamacare penalties will be stolen from all paychecks. This will complete the ubiquitous database for all Americans. These poor immigrants will instantaneously be responsible for the USGovt debt, have to support lazy-ass SS, MC, MC, EBT, Section 8 recipients, and pay for whiny-ass American's, anti-depressant addicted, pill-poppin' excuse for health insurance. An abomination, indeed. These immigrants ONLY want to be able to drive and travel without the risk of being kidnapped, thrown into the FEMA gulag, and tossed over the border to one of the most dangerous places on earth.

Thanks a lot, Rand. You should have listened to your father.

Amnesty is among the worse things that can happen to America . .

it will bring further division and conflict among the people. It will introduce millions of people who know nothing of the foundational principles of America & who have lived in a corrupt banana republic. They are loyal to Mexico. They don't want to become Americans, they come here for economic reasons. (Too few Americans know of the nations foundations & they are creating a banana republic through that ignorance.) It will further decrease our citizens capacity to compete and to get jobs by bringing in many more people than is promised. But the worse aspect of this bill is the requirement that all have their electronic 'papers' in order - just like Nazi Germany.

Of course, this hornets nest can be well enough left alone. You may not practically be able to deport millions of hidden illegals. But that doesnt mean you have to bring even more in. So why do so, and why now ? Is this the best thing for the country at this time ? This stinks of the same odor of Bush's prescription med push. It wasnt wanted by the seniors and they were concerned of the costs that would be passed on to their children and grandchildren. Of course, that plan was pushed by special interests and by the politicians for their own political benefit before the coming election. Their personal short term benefit seems to be all American politicians think or care about today. There are no solutions that will ever come out of D.C.

P.S. - - - a friend of mine used to come up with all sorts of excuses for Bush jr. Bush would do something counter to the Constitution and what my friend believed, and he would make up all sorts of hidden grand strategies/explanations of why Bush was doing so. You may think that Paul is pushing this because he knows the American people don't want it and it will fail. He wants it to be put out in the open and defeated, while still appearing to go along with the DemoRepublicrats one big insider party pushing it. - - After awhile, and so many un-Constitutional actions by Bush, my friend quit bothering to make excuses. He'd talk sports instead. All I can say is Rand Paul isn't Ron Paul . . by a long shot.

This will not bring additional undocumented pioneers in.

They will be fleeing as fast as they can throw a spontaneous Modelo and carnitas fiesta. No one can live on minimum wage, pay FICA, SS, MC, MC, and OC, while still feeding a family. You should be cheering. You won't have to deal with them anymore. As for me, I think everybody has the right to travel, work, and live wherever the hell they want so long as they do not infringe upon the life, liberty, or property of others.

I have to laugh at this:

P.S. - - - a friend of mine used to come up with all sorts of excuses for Bush jr. Bush would do something counter to the Constitution and what my friend believed, and he would make up all sorts of hidden grand strategies/explanations of why Bush was doing so. You may think that Paul is pushing this because he knows the American people don't want it and it will fail. He wants it to be put out in the open and defeated, while still appearing to go along with the DemoRepublicrats one big insider party pushing it. - - After awhile, and so many un-Constitutional actions by Bush, my friend quit bothering to make excuses. He'd talk sports instead. All I can say is Rand Paul isn't Ron Paul . . by a long shot.

If your friend was looney for pretending to know what was in GWB's mind, how come you do the same with Rand? Or maybe I misunderstood it. I do not read minds. I like the truth. If Rand is misrepresenting himself for the cause of liberty, which I do not believe, by justifying nefarious means to further a noble end, that is the other teams strategy and I disagree with it.

Enforce the laws already on the books.

There is no need for additional legislation.

I am not an attorney, but have glossed over this.

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This will open the floodgates for implementation of BIOMETRIC IDENTIFICATION. This is a pure for profit machine.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

any time...

You find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder
with Harry Reid and the gang of 8...
you should ask yourself...
what am I doing here.

and I GET...

and I GET the idea...
you're going to run for POTUS..
you want the 'impossible' immigration issue to GO AWAY
before it 'splits' the solidarity of your supporters.
Politics plain and simple.
BUT!
That's NOT an excuse to vote for a BAD, BAD, BAD bill.
EVEN if you think you can control implementation as President and
(later) correct the 'flaws'.
YOU CAN'T KNOW THAT.
and...
in the off chance you are NOT elected POTUS..
then what Rand???
You've just enabled an UNKNOWN to have the power to decide 'how' to implement this dangerous piece of legislation.
Tactics over Principle
is how we got into this mess.
I'm disappointed in you sir.

Cruz No Cornyn Yea Maybe the

Cruz No
Cornyn Yea

Maybe the first time I've seen them split their vote.

Southern Agrarian