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What Due Process? House Votes to Keep Indefinite Detention For Americans (Again)

From HuffingtonPost:

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. House of Representatives voted again Thursday to allow the indefinite military detention of Americans, blocking an amendment that would have barred the possibility.

Congress wrote that authority into law in the National Defense Authorization Act two years ago, prompting outrage from civil libertarians on the left and right. President Barack Obama signed the measure, but insisted his administration would never use it.

Supporters of detention argue that the nation needs to be able to arrest and jail suspected terrorists without trial, including Americans on U.S. soil, for as long as there is a war on terror. Their argument won, and the measure was defeated by a vote of 200 to 226.

Read the full article, if you can stomach it. Especially Tom Cotton's remarks.

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The insidiousness of the

The insidiousness of the phrase "war on terror" is just so perfect... It's like saying "we are declaring war on being frightened of our own shadows". Better they had followed Ron's advice with letters of marque and reprisal and gone directly after specific organizations involved and never invaded Iraq...but that's all academic now.

"Supporters of detention

"Supporters of detention argue that the nation needs to be able to arrest and jail suspected terrorists without trial"

And those who threaten the IMAGE of the free society

Know why they don't get a trial?

Because we do not have a religious court. Some nations actually have two courts, a secular and a religious.. Sharia Law.. if you are Muslim in a Muslim country, you might demand a Muslim Court, unless you're a woman or homosexual where you have no rights.. actually a death penalty depending on your crime (sex).


So, if you are a Muslim Terrorist and you demand a trial by your peers, there is no way for America to give you a trial.

Many are working hard to change that and in the name of FREEDOM

It is NOT just the president.

ALL of our elected officials, democrat AND republican, LECTURE and ridicule me for asking questions and speaking my mind. More than several times, I have been scolded and told that I have no idea what the interpretations of law are, and that what they pass/don't pass are for my own good.

Speaking to the choir here, this has gotten EXTREMELY out of hand!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

You should record on video

You should record on video those exchanges (only if they are face to face, mind the wiretapping laws). Better to expose stupidity than have people pretend it doesn't exist.

Once Again

Mo Brooks (AL) fails to live up to the TEA Party hype that got him elected.

Our elected representatives just aren't scared enough of The People's wrath yet. That needs to change!

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

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law of the land

The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid. This is succintly stated as follows:
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void. "
Marbury vs Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them quot;
Miranda vs Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.
"An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no right; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed."
Norton vs Shelby County118 US 425 p.442
"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, in in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."
16th American Jurisprudence 2d, Section 177
late 2nd, Section 256

When will we start hanging traitors to the Constitution?

Well, it's one way to enforce term limits.

Free includes debt-free!

This is what I wrote to my Congressman...

... an alleged Constitutional Conservative:

Dear Congressman DeSantis,

In my capacity as a member of the Volusia County Republican Executive Committee, I distributed literature supporting your candidacy while serving as a poll greeter last November. I am very disappointed with your vote today against the Smith-Gibson Amendment to the NDAA. This amendment would have safeguarded our rights as Americans by prohibiting the Federal Government from indefinitely detaining us without charge, counsel, or trial.

As recent events vividly illustrate, the Obama Administration has not hesitated to adopt the most expansive understanding of the power it holds over the citizens of our great nation. As the NDAA, in its current form, arguably allows for the indefinite detention of Americans in violation of their Fifth Amendment due process rights, why did you not vote for an amendment -- supported by Constitutional conservatives such as Michigan's Justin Amash, Kentucky's Thomas Massie, and Florida's own Ted Yoho -- that would have made clear to the Administration that it cannot use the NDAA to trample our liberty?

I regard this as an important vote, one that I will remember when deciding whether to campaign for your reelection in 2014. Please post a detailed explanation of why you did not support the Smith-Gibson Amendment to the NDAA.


Andrew Samuel Jetton
Republican Precinct Committeeman
Precinct 216, DeLand


I posted the above on the Facebook page of Rep. DeSantis (for public consumption) in addition to sending it in an email to the Congressman's Office. We will see what kind of response I get.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

*sigh* 'alleged' Constitutional Conservative is right!?

We here in PBC are stuck with Lois Frankel. I don't communicate with her except through Downsize DC. This is a great letter, well written and to the point, so bump! (And thanks!)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Well written. Nice touch

Well written. Nice touch posting to the FB page, too.

Public shaming is kryptonite to pols.

Thank you for the kind words, Liberty patriot!

Let's all respectfully criticize (if "no"), or congratulate (if "yes"), our Representatives for this vote.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Todd Young, southern Indiana,

Todd Young, southern Indiana, traitor to the Constitution.

We almost won that battle

It was soooooooo close.

Yes. The bright side...

... is that we just need to flip a few more GOP seats from "Neoconservative" to "Liberty." This can be done by changing minds or, if necessary, by changing bodies.

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand


want to hang Snowden for breaking his oath when he tattled on these ingrates. But, it is okay for them to break their oath to uphold the constitution. If there is a double edged sword. I wish the would fall on it.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"


my Rep voted for the amendment, so that is good. The vote is getting closer at least.

Mine did too

but he is still a scoundrel. Notice the good cop bad cop syndrome? I think it is set up this way to say hey he voted for this which is good. Then he votes for that which is bad.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

Daines naturally voted

Daines naturally voted against Smith's amendment. Daines needs to go as we Montanans don't need another multiple term Democratic RINO like Rehberg as our representative. We need a constitutional candidate to run against Daines in 2014 as he's a big disappointment. Daines is simply a hack for the corrupt party's leadership. He can't think critically for himself.

Where would we

Where would we the people detain 226 IDIOTS indefinitely? + one president and all his thugs.

Cuba. They should fit right

Cuba. They should fit right in... Inside or outside the walls of Guantanamo.

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.

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i read a foreign corp

wants to put their slaves in a jail
the fed gov,is owned and operated for and by a foreign entity
a corporation
this corp was founded when it went bankrupt when it was financed
by the same ones we fought against
this same entity created a fiction of us all.we are the creditors of the world,but we are also slaves owned by the very one who bought the fed gov
if you want to get mad/even then look into who owns us as a nation,and at the same time has a stranglehold upon most of this planet
it is not hard to see what these types do not own,take a look at who we go to war with,does this give an indication as to why we are at war
them reps in washington didn't swear an oath to you,they swore their oath to keep the corp afloat,and by god,on our backs they do,do it
each and every day it is done,bailouts for this and that,too big to fail,money printed for foreign countries,money printed out of thin air,we get to pay back with interest (can you or i even pay that back?) NOPE
america as we thought we knew it,hasn't existed since the southern delegates walked out before the civil war
but it was bought before then,seeing britian,with help of the rothschild banking cartel
financed both sides of the rev war
we were a nation,that never was
so to sit and complain about them reps,they are just doing what their owners told them to do
next question,what do we,as a people do about it?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Nothing, The Masses are Dead Already

Deacon, time is short for the Christians to get out of the belly of the Beast.
Please sign up on Sovereign Warriors.
There are the basic instructions for liquidating your membership in corp U.S.
If you join Panterra we have all the details.
Those of us who finish in time will be ok.
Because the people are the real creditors the only way to balance the books is to kill two thirds of the people.
They do this over and over again. Every Socialist country eventually kills off a large number of its creditors to balance their accounts. Hitler, Mao, Stalin all balanced their books with the IMF this. Since Corp U.S. can't pay everyone
they will simply call upon NATO,, Russia and China to liquidate the American People.
Homeland Security just bought 1.7 billion hollow point bullets.
Don't be caught like a deer in the headlights.
Calmly MOVE towards the exit now or prepare to die.
Sovereign Warriors-sign up now! Free, ask Jaro.
Then go to Panterra Gemstone buy a membership immediately, no bitching about the 200 bucks, it will be worthless soon anyway. Contact Ken as soon as you are in, tell him you are my friend. I'll get you started on the paperwork to undoe your U.S. citizenship in the Corp U.S.

Don't wait, our ship is sailing soon.

The Oracle

deacon's picture

thanks,my good friend

i do know about the arms build up,the added forces on our soil
the mil hardware shipped by rail,and the new personnel extraction vehicles
purchased on our dime
i do know about the mil being brought into the US by way of canada
and i know they are not UN
i do know about the other than mexican being snuck ? across our southern border
but what i do not know about is this,why should i worry about getting rid of my citizen status,if all hells ready to break loose,seems moot to me at this point
but as a friend,i do welcome your insight,and look for it

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Status Change

Well, the answer is simple. What's your contract?
The contract makes the law.
If your contract is that you own nothing, not even your body or your children then obviously you have no property!
No property = no power and no standing in law.
If the majority of the American People still owned their bodies and the fruits of their labor then the Beast would shrink and wither away.
If one has a U.S. citizenship he is in a communist state and owns nothing.

The New Deal:
A U.S. citizenship is a trust into which you unknowingly were tricked into gifting your land, body and your labor.
It is a military supply contract, that's it.
The SS-5 Application for Social Security is a job application to become a federal employee to supply their unending war.
It is foreign citizenship in a State called the State of United States. It is singular, 1, Washington D.C., not plural as in the 50 Republic States, United States of America.

So which Status do you want?
A U.S. citizenship in which the communist State of United States (Washington D.C.) owns your body, house, children and can dispose of all "your" property and body under military necessity.
B An American National status in a United States of America Republic in which one owns his body, land, children;
a Lawful Republic Status in which one pays no taxes, and cannot be detained by United States police, TSA, Federal Agents period.

Which Passport do you want when the communist's war intensifies?
The one of the country at Peace? Or the I.D. of the country at War?

The reason for the existence of Passports is so people can pass through enemy lines during a time of War.
The Reason that one currently needs a passport to travel is because the State of United States is at War and has been for 152 years! Passports are not needed for travel in times of peace.

The war is escalating.
So when the tanks are rolling in the streets do you want the Passport that says United States Military Supply Vessel? (if it says U.S. citi zen ship that's a U.S. military supply vessel which can be seized)

Or do you want the passport protected under International Law that says Peaceful Sovereign, do not detain!

In the end times the Christians will disappear, from Lucifers jurisdiction! You have a choice whether to Stay with your foreign citizenship in the unlawful warring communist State "United States" or go back to your lawful native country "Iowa Republic" and live in peace.

Go to Servant King. Info and watch Marcus's video. He left the war and went back to his country. His Lands, Body, Gold, and God given inalienable rights have been restored to him.

By the way, I have a friend with a black American National Passport. He is protected from the State of United States by the Foreign Sovereigns Immunities Act. That is the Bill of Rights in its codified form today.
You are a Foreign Sovereign to the United States. Why do you have THEIR U.S. passport?
Wrong one! Wrong State! There is No private property or lawful rights of any kind in State of United States.
If California had such a shitty citizenship deal why would anyone in the other 50 States sign up for it?
(Hint, I did not miscount)
Answer: No one in their right mind would!
If you found out you had been conned wouldn't you immediately remove your property from the conn?

Check out Marcus's video and decide if you want to repledge your allegiance back to your old country.
God's country, not lucifer's.

The Oracle

Failing to uphold and defend the Constitution is Treason.

The only crime established in the
Constitution. These men swore and oath.

Why do we suffer oathbreakers in public office?

Free includes debt-free!

The Oath is an Offer Only

Some living soul needs to accept their Oath of Office to make it a valid contract.
Offer + acceptance = contract.
Contract makes the Law.
Since no one has ever accepted these guys Oaths of Office they are under no obligation to perform as offered.
So they use the office for personal gain in a land of ignorant zombies.
Accept their Oath of Office, use form 56 from IRS to appoint them your trustee to take care of business for you.
Give them your instructions, be reasonable.

The Constitutions are "dead" contracts. It takes two living parties to form an expressed trust (de jure government).
Right now all that exists is a DEFACTO government operating a constructive trust formed by fraud and operation of law.
If anyone wants to hold them accountable then he or she should come in as one of the people on the other side of the contract. Right now there are no people as parties to the Constitutions so the public officials can do what they want and enrich themselves.
Inhabit the jurisdiction to give life to the paper.
Get them under contract by accepting their offer to uphold whatever "constitution".

The Oracle

An offer made, service performed and consideration accepted.

Offer accepted. Let the hanging continue. ;-)

Oracle, I will consider the other points you raisied.

Free includes debt-free!

226 nooses needed!

226 nooses needed!

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ― Henry Ford.