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Liberty Is Not For Everyone

Its important to realize that the majority of people have never cared about liberty in any place and time. You do not need everyone else to value their liberty, privacy, their personal honor or anything else for you to live these values and maintain them for yourself.

If your position is that you require everyone else to "wake up" or agree with you or share you attitudes and values, in order for them to matter, or for your goals to be achieved, you are going to be deeply disappointed and dissatisfied.

The revelations about NSA are not shocking, nor is the general lack of interest or outrage from the public. Only a minority even follow the most basic msm coverage of what's going on. Of those who do, most do not understand the details or the context, politically or historically.

Their apathy and disinterest is not your problem, because you can determine if your privacy is protected. You are not required to share your information with anyone, you can invest resources and effort in learning how to protect your privacy.

Assume that people will never have much interest in anything beyond their basic security and comfort, materially -- and more importantly, psychologically and emotionally -- by acting in conformity with the behavior and attitudes they believe others have and believe others expect of them. Especially people they look up to or view as authority figures in the status hierarchy. Traditionally, people based their conformity on real hierarchies of status. Today, it is largely the fictional status hierarchies scripted in the media space of television, movies, etc.

If you want to use the modern political process in any effective way, you have to acknowledge what has been understood by realistic people for at least the last century, which is that there is no such thing as democratic or public opinion in the sense of individuals forming their opinions rationally based on intellectual persuasion, evidence, ethical arguments, etc.

Propaganda and marketing influence the majority of voters in modern society, just as they do for consumers in their choice of purchases. Advertisers do not persuade them with arguments, because they accept the simple fact that this is not effective. They embrace the reality of psychology to make money, they don't deceive themselves due to idealism or principle.

Too many of you succumb to self deception due to your political ideals or anachronistic or utopian beliefs about democracy or the individualism in politics that are a relic of pre modern societies. If it ever seemed like individuals acted and thought individually, or valued liberty as a whole, it was merely because elite-to-mass influence channels were smaller, more localized, and property was less concentrated. But it was never actually individualistic, it was just smaller, more diffused groups of elites > followers, and the interests of the former often resulted in a 'individualistic' set of political goals or rights or overall agenda, which followers adopted.

If you want to secure your liberty, your property, your privacy, you have to regard yourselves as an elite, a separate, unique minority with unusual characteristics, above the majority who do not and will never share your goals and priorities.

If you want influence over the direction of political events, you have to exercise influence over mass psychology through the same means the purveyors of power in society use -- propaganda and control of the institutions that actually form opinion and move people in the direction of their beliefs. Not via argument, but via controlling the way viewpoints are presented in the media and in a few narrow academic institutions that rubber stamp acceptable points of view, and disseminate them via a hierarchical status culture in which people adopt public positions and attitudes to achieve status from top to bottom.

That is human nature now and as it has always been, and if you want anything else out of people, you are basically just a utopian opponent of reality. If you find yourself demanding people be something other than what they actually are, if you find yourself concluding that human nature is not up to your standards, take a look in the mirror and realize you are just a few steps shy of being a dangerous fanatic, not far removed from those who thought if they shed enough blood and provided enough "education," they could create a 'New socialist man.' Keep such fantasies in the ethereal realms of the afterlife, like religious believers do.

If you can't do that, if you can't accept that that is how it works, if you can't behave in an organized collective fashion or agree on priorities with each other, make compromises and function in some efficient way, you will have no chance at achieving any influence.

If you just enjoy complaining and being contrarian and lashing out at "the sheep" and believing you're smarter than everyone and everyone is out to get you, and like being a martyr and victim and knowing all the secret conspiracies of the powerful, then you will be very successful, and very impotent, and without much right to any pride.

But if you actually want to achieve security, liberty, privacy and advance yourself and your family going forward in the future, you have to maneuver within the real world of political institutions and operate within the actual laws of human behavior, even though they aren't pretty and don't correspond to ideals you may have adopted during your political awakenings. You have to emerge from political awakening, idealism, to political maturity and realism, and identify what actually matters to you on a practical level.

If you can't be happy or satisfied without "waking up the masses" to agree with you, than you should find a different hobby than politics. If you have the more modest, and more noble goal of securing your OWN liberty, as someone who desires and deserves it, then there is much you can do and achieve individually and as part of a politically active group.

You should value liberty all the more when you realize it belongs to a few and isn't the property of everyone by birth or natural right or by virtue of happening to be born.

If liberty existed by the accident of being born, belonged to everyone, it would be worth nothing.



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So a Jew in 1940's Germany could be free and avoid a

camp all on his own without the need for other German's to value their own liberty?

Your premise is utter nonsense and is historically proven to be patently false. The German example is just one of many.

thats not my premise and dont

thats not my premise and dont play the jew card.

this is a good post

resolves the questions of

1. how could liberty exist in society without 100% of the people caring about it

2. how could liberty erode and die so relatively suddenly

the numbers we're often quoted is 2% to 10% of what it takes for the liberty minded to make it happen. the other 90% don't care to support the cause but they don't care to oppose the cause either. So liberty can win with just us as the tip of the spear

true

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Don't forget the Power of Ideas

I agree in large part with your sentiments about:
-Unreasonable expectations about liberty's appeal to all
-People's reliance on hierarchies of status
-Hierarchy of control & propaganda
-Leaders/elite vs followers
-Pragmatism

However I take a different perspective on liberty and freedom. I think we are all born free, have a natural inclination and desire for it, and in most parts of the world we live freely the majority of our daily lives. I think people who like to control others for whatever reason hide behind the facade of government and use that to limit other people's freedom. I see liberty politics as really just a defense against those limits and restrictions on our freedom.

Anyways your points should be areas of focus for everyone to consider if they want to be effective. I think you make a good point for those who want to focus on practical political activities and Rand Paul's success exemplifies that path. Ron Paul took a similar political path yet focused more on spreading the ideas of liberty and I think it is evident to all of us how great an impact he has made on the world and the reason why many of us are here. Don't forget the power of ideas.

I think there are many paths and they don't all have to be political. Everyone has their own unique talents and interests. Ideas are powerful. Ideas energize and inspire people into action. Look at what Ayn Rand or George Orwell were able to do with their writing. If we didn't have Mises, Hayek, Rothbard etc, even those in the liberty movement who gain political power might be willing to accept monetarist approaches to central banking and we'll still have majors booms and busts and major financial calamaties. What about the libertarian ideas of our founding fathers or John Locke or the ideas in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence? How powerful were they? What about the truth and lies in history and how did they shape action and policy? Was Lincoln really that great? How have the lies of 9-11 shaped people's perceptions and actions? How much is the lie of 9-11 used as justification for foreign invasions and our current police state? How will policy change when people are blinded by lies?

"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past" - George Orwell

I will say there are many more activities that are just as important if not more important than politics and I hope people explore all areas including:
Literature/Writing/Blogging/Social Networking- spread ideas
Movies/Documentaries & Entertainment - spread ideas visually
New Media - break the mainstream propaganda machine
Academia & Education - create or be part of think tanks like Independent Institute/Mises/Cato etc; homeschool; teach liberty like Tom Woods
Whistleblow - be like Snowden
Technology - anything that creates freedom; digital currency, 3D printing etc.
Entrepreneurship - make money and donate
Voluntarism/agorism - Living free outside the system (and be the change you want to see and show others a new paradigm) Remember some of us here don't believe in government so we are less likely to participate in something we don't believe in
Gardening - living sustainably
I'm sure I'm missing many other ways ...

Overall I agree with your sentiments, but you explain just one path. Let us all find the best path for ourselves and bless those that are willing to work hard in whatever path they choose.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

I can't say I agree with this

I'm fairly certain there is a middle ground around here. Reading this, I couldn't help but think that it may as well have been written by David Rockafeller. If my only noble pursuit is to secure and advance my own freedom and security, then why wouldn't I seek to make myself king? More to the point, don't you think that is exactly what our politicians are doing? Of course it is...that is precisely what they are doing: furthering their own security by amassing wealth and their own freedoms by amassing power.

Liberty MUST BE birthright of everyone. If you presume that it is not, then you are insinuating that you have divine rule over others.

This is not to discredit everything you say. It is true that many don't want "their" freedoms. Many give it away willingly. For those that do, I agree with you that they don't deserve it. I also agree with you that we do not need to be wasting our time or effort on trying to wake these people up. They are slaves by choice, not by birth. To many extents you are right that the only way to effectively affect public opinion is through certain intermediaries. Propaganda is indeed effective and it does indeed work. With that understanding I can easily admit that there will never be a "mass awakening." There will ALWAYS be those that will cling to their chains and/or cling to the status-quo. But public opinion CAN shift and it can shift toward liberty. things will never be perfect, but it is not nearly as hopeless as you make it sound. I'd probably have to more to say, but it's late. :)

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

thanks for the positive,

thanks for the positive, thoughtful response

Interesting response

Your title says that you don't agree, and yet, you make the point.

There are people, by choice, who do not want to be free, do not appreciate liberty. They have a very strong sense of security within their chosen confines. This could be a marriage or a job, even abusive ones.

I believe that we all have our comfort zones which imprison us.. DP up and down votes are a tool for this kind of programming, as you see posters, very concerned over the downvotes.. they have a strong feeling about needing to fit in.. or those who employ the downvotes as a manipulative tool to control others, "Can't you can see by your downvotes you don't belong here", for example.

To your response directly:

Comfort zones and self imposed confinements are choices. They can be and are often shed by the people clinging to them. Do you see how that is totally different from being born a slave? You must! Certainly you know people (many of them right here) who were once slaves of the status quo (politically speaking), but have now done a 180. How do you think that happened? Were they born to become free at the age of 25? Was that going to happen regardless of any external influence? I doubt it. Many people here moved to support liberty b/c, for the first time in their lives, they were exposed to it. For some it takes years of convincing. For others it takes 5 mins. or maybe none at all.

If this is true, then why would we assume that those who have not been fortunate enough to be exposed to the liberty message in a convincing fair way are hopelessly enslaved by their genes? It's just not logical. If freedom was appealing to you, then it will likely be appealing to many others and, much more importantly, you should treat them with all the love and respect that you would treat any free man/woman. It's the Golden Rule I guess.

When I talk about not wasting time on those individuals clinging to their chains, I do so from only a practical/political perspective. We will be much more effect focusing our efforts on people who will at least listen. I would argue that the people clinging to their chains are typically people who simply refuse to acknowledge that they may be wrong about something or that they have been dupped. They are usually very arrogant (see where I'm going with this?) However, they are only hopeless in a practical sense, and not by birth.

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

I agree with your first paragraph

It's not assuming that those who have not been fortunate enough to be exposed to the liberty message...

There are many of us, like myself, that have FOUGHT (politically) for a "Liberty message", and the wait for Ron Paul was decades long.

So how did some of us, and in my case, raised in a socialist environment (US military.. I was born into it, and carried a Military ID for 23 years), came to underastand liberty, while those who were born "free", outside the military, did not get the message?
On the course of my life, I met those who LOVED the miltary, because they found FREEDOM within the gates, the rules, the ranks.

I am not going to go as far as to say that those who choose what I see as slavery (US military) wrong. It is right for many of them, as I see the freedom they have found.. but the military is not right for me. So I can respect the military, and even be grateful for it, understand how it works outside the military in inductrial complexes which our freedom is based, as long as I (and those like me) have a RIGHT to the freedom to not participate, yet, co-exist.

I make a similar point, but in another way entirely.

The end result or course of action may be the same or similar, but the logic used to get there is very different. It is a big problem to me to say that people are BORN slaves. That is quite different from saying that some people choose to be slaves and there is nothing we can do to help them. The former argument requires that we make way to many assumptions about other people which puts them in an inferior light. It leads the believer to form judgmental views of other people and that, in turn, leads to superiority complexes. So, if I take the belief that am born to be free and you are born to be a slave, what (internally) stops me from ruling you? What are my guiding beliefs that would make me a libertarian leader? Answer: nothing. The worst people in the word likely subscribe to this idea and the idea gives them all the authority and justifications they need to become tyrants. After all, it's their birth right to free and your birthright to be a slave (whos slave?, well, that's fairly obvious).

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

OK

I would hope that your mirals and ethics would stip yourself from being an opportunisty and ruling me.

May I suggest you watch a documentary by Jamie Johnson, "Born Rich".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhuSxyHWRw

very good.... be the change

very good.... be the change you wish to see in the world

Their motto is "Dont Tread On Me"...

glitch post / bump

glitch post / bump

Lets review here

Give up your ideals,

Join the Collective Hierarchy,

Become an Elitist,

Obtain pride (one of the seven deadly sins),

Manipulate the masses for your own power and advancement,

And if you don't do this then you are a dangerous fanatic.

Sounds like what happened to the Obamanoids. Just remember people that once you take this path then when your guy/girl "wins" you will be able to sit back and relax and enjoy the endorphins of victory, all while those who manipulated you into acquiescence become the next controlling elite who sham you the same way Obama did to his sincere but ignorant supporters. That's when then the other side gets mad at you for being the sheep and the whole cycle continues. Round and round we go. Merry go round or snap out of it and Break the Cycle completely. Alex Jones seems to do everything wrong but always comes out on top. Why and How can Alex do this? Because it is raw intelligence and spiritual will to be free and to expose those who work within the current paradigm. Go another round or get to work and become the spirit of freedom and awareness and don't accept criminal activity being committed against you? Politics or Justice or Both. What is going to be the most effective? Taking criminals to prison for their crimes against you or getting in a hierarchy and knowing your place?

Politics is for those who want to have others do it for them, Justice is for those who willingly accept full liability for knowing and protect themselves and the rule of law. Which has more integrity accepting liability or having someone else supposedly do it for you only to find out later that the reality of human nature is that you are the only one who can protect yourself and your liberty and maybe find those who actually care enough and are smart enough to become allied with?

I would say that BILL3 is the old paradigm and the Ron Paul generation is shattering that paradigm and people like BILL3 are still trying to convince you that the old way is the only real way and not up for your input into shaping reality. Acquiesce and fail or Pay attention and live within all law to realize and uphold its protections. BILL3 is talking about the nation of men not of laws. One cannot uphold and protect the law until they actually know the law and that takes infinite amounts of work.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

I've read your comment three times...

and the same thing keeps happening. At many points I think I can almost make sense of what you're saying, and then boom! it seems that you actually agree with BILL3, then I shake my head, "Nah, PHREEDOM made it pretty clear from the get-go that he's attempting to passionately disagree with Bill's post in its entirety."

Here, maybe your spiritual will can help you make sense of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RDoYeXCoSE

I'm dying to know if your comment on it would be the same as your comment to BILL.

My position

Is one of logic. I see all the evaluations of Philosophy and influence as failures of men driven by their own ego.

Men have all of these long winded interpretations of the State or Community and these issues are relevant only as a means to understand the nature of the confusion of most men/women. These expressions typically have a basis in human observation and contemplation driven by an emotional response they have to such things.

I am one of logic. If any concepts conflict logic then they are invalid for consideration. What do I mean by this? I am a man of science and technology. Scientific Law is pure rigorous consistently congruent logic. Real Law, of which scientific law is a subset of, is always logically congruent and never has any conflicts. All one has to do to know what real Law is as formed from the divine source of order (God) is, to make sure that there are never any conflicts just as scientists do within scientific law. Science looks for congruency and conflicts to know if the known scientific "laws" are indeed Law because they are never broken in any way that the subject can be examined. Same goes for Law as in a legal sense. All laws must be logical congruent and thus no law can break another law otherwise it is not law.

So for me this is the only thing that matters when it comes to government, politics, business and science. Our organic laws in US was the first Law in the history of man that had no conflicts with any other valid laws. It was logically congruent within all other laws that were also logically congruent. This is the ONLY thing matters to me here because I use this concept to protect myself. I don't have to deal with the driver's licenses certifications and tickets anymore because these acts of extortions committed by other men claiming to be "government" are actually felony criminal acts of extortion, fraud, Breach of Duty by corrupt criminal men. Our organic laws established that the Powers of Justice (just powers) are derived from the consent of governed. This means for every single criminal or civil action taken against another means that one is liable for their accusations against another just as another is liable for criminal acts they may have committed. When one examines the Law of Agency and our Organic Laws in context to lawful just powers of Government one realizes that government has NO power over the People at all. They have power over persons who subjected themselves to their authority in exchange for limited liability. The Law of Agency requires that an agent be acting on behave of a principle who is accepting liability for the requested actions of the agents. So the agents of government only have lawful authority to act when an accuser who is the principle has made the accusation against the accused and the accuser has identified themselves as accepting liability for the action; one's right to face their accuser. This liability of both the accused and the accuser is equitable and is the only lawful process of government interference into someone private life.

Now corrupt, naïve, ignorant men think Law can just be written into codes and statutes and that the government agents can make any action against anyone without anyone having liability for the action. This is THE failure of Americans and THE source of tyranny. All the philosophy and opinions in the world do not matter when one understands real law. Real Law must be congruent otherwise another law will be broken in the act of attempting to enforce another "law". These conflicts can be enumerated and shown in very precise ways as to actually have the corrupted agents claiming no liability into actually admit to exact code definitions of felony crimes in open court when one realizes how real law works. Those conflicts in legal law become as obvious as some hack "scientist" trying to say that gravity pushes away from the center of mass.

I hope you can see the logical nature of what I am talking about here and how all the politics in the world does not matter when one understands the Law of Agency and our Organic Laws and knows how to enumerate when is violating the real law. Why do you think the word politics is derived from policy? It is because policy is the rules for government and all other limited liability entities that contract for the benefit of limited liability in exchange for bearing the burden of regulated capacity. The Constitution is a contract in common law between men who claim applicability of the contract and codes and statutes are for regulating the legally created fictional contractually created capacities under the Constitution. This has nothing to do with real men (men in law means men and women always because law is written in the masculine form), We the People, who stand fully liable for their own actions. The Citizens are the agents who voluntarily took the contractual oath to the Constitution to abide by its prohibitions in exchange for the benefits of pay and limited liability when in agency to the People. Anyone using threats fear and intimidation to force another into any contract is committing felony extortion and many times fraud, another felony. Are we going to debate philosophy while corrupt criminal men commit crimes against us or are we going to consent to accept liability for exercising the powers of justice to bring remedy for the harm they have done to us? This is the only question there is when talking about upholding the rule of law. Today most are so confused that they believe everyone born in the US is a citizen. If you read the Constitution carefully you will see that the words Citizens and People NEVER overlap and never mean the same thing. The founders knew that it was well known in Law that God (the Law) is no respecter of persons. They also knew that person or Person was not synonymous with Men or Man or People. Once one realizes that the person/citizen is a legal capacity/status/office of limited liability within the scope of agency and the Man is natural and full liability then one can truly understand the absolute divine inspiration source of our laws and why they wrote what they wrote. They literally made law for Government through a contract while all People already had common law procedures that were logically congruent and based on a Jury. The courts were only impartial forum for allowing a venue for non violent dispute resolution where the People would determine law and remedy amongst themselves. This was the pinnacle of enlightenment to real law and most Americans have flushed all of this down the toilet with their confused opinions of philosophy, politics, status and influence. Americans have literally lost everything and they don't even know it. In their ignorance they also don't realize that eliminating their ignorance to law is the only way to protect themselves and the rule of law itself. Protecting our law has almost nothing to do with politics. If you juries begin mowing the lawn of crime across the country tomorrow politics will have no power at all. That's why TPTB want us to play in their rigged game of politics so that we are confused into feeling powerless and subject to their every word. This is truly mass insanity of the highest order.

It is all logic and in this world of deception of corrupt and criminal men I only turn to divine inspiration to seek truth and the truth demonstrates that harmful acts of aggressions such as extortion, fraud, assault, battery, murder and kidnapping are all violations of the law and it is We the People's duty to bring justice not try to convince and manipulate people into allow us or them to influence policy that we all have to adhere to when that policy is actually criminal activity.

So as Ron Paul stated I too have very little faith in politics especially when men like BILL3 suggest strategies we need to be a nation of men and not of laws. My recommendation is to read Lysander Spooner's No Treason. He is the only other man I have ever read that was able to maintain perfect logical congruency within real law. He laid out how Constitutional Government would operate lawfully and he never failed in his logical constituency and congruency. No offense to BILL3 but he seems kind of like a chump with his little get in the hierarchy of man speech here compared to accepting liability for upholding and defending the law for our protections. Our juries is where real law will be rediscovered and upheld not politics. In a real court you only need to convince twelve people of a truly captive audience debating every detail, in politics you need to convince 100's of millions with 30 second sound bytes amongst all the pomp and circumstance of deceptions by corrupt men. Which one do you think has the higher probability of success in securing Liberty and preserving the protections of law?

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

At no point in your rambling,

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I am not the one

who said the elitist manipulative BS you said.

From your own words you seek to manipulate people. Liberty people want to be left alone and self-govern ourselves not become the elite who manipulate and control others.

God needs no mercy for my soul because God Loves me. I have contracted with God to follow every divine inspiration delivered to me from God to its end in exchange for the protections of divine law. That's why I called you out here because I again followed the divine inspiration that pointed out to me one of the seven deadly sins you suggest people seek as appropriate and other manipulative philosophies and self indulgences you spout for "influence".

Get in the hierarchy of men and make policy law? God already gave us law we don't need policy. Policy is rules for limited liability capacity in Agency to the People. Policy and Statutes are not and do not even claim applicability to the People but you seem to think that is not the case and we need to be the other men who make the policy. Policy is rules for Government not Law for People. You seem to have missed that. Maybe you should humble yourself before the knowledge of the universe and seek truth before you attempt to manipulate others into policy of men being Law. God delivered these words to you through me now it is up to you to find out why they were delivered to you. I am just keeping my end of the agreement as I always do.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

.02 FRNs

Very few people are actually passionate about liberty, and like Bill3 said, history has shown this to be the case.

Human beings, by our very nature are 'herd' animals. There have always been, and for the foreseeable future, will always be a large majority of followers, with only a small number of leaders. Fewer still choose to 'opt out' entirely. Just look at how we put each other into groups constantly, even especially when we're trying to *not* put people into groups. It's almost as if we as a species go out of our way to create problems for ourselves, just to see who, if anyone, can solve them.

For all the negatives (often rightly) attached to it, groupthink is part of the reason why our species has been able to go form being hunter-gatherers to thriving the way we have. As bad as the world may seem today, even the poorest people in the U.S. live better than medieval royalty could've dreamed of. In fact, I can't think of a single point in human history where the average person could be considered individualistic (at least not in any political sense).

As much as I'm always telling people to be their own leader, I never fool myself into thinking that more than 1 or 2 percent will actually do it. Most people tend to just "go with the flow", regardless of *where* they happen to be flowing.

The revolutionaries will eventually become the establishment, and the cycle will repeat just as it always has. Maybe it's just a part of who-- and what we are. Maybe it's simply a reflection of our own existence and inner conflicts...or something deep sounding like that. I really don't know. What I believe, however, is that this cycle is an inevitability.

A signature used to be here!

Do not seek the truth...

merely cease to cherish opinion.

translation: The pure of heart shall see God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dr0WgduMRo :)

Most people don't realize how

Most people don't realize how mind control of the masses really works. Our whole lives are the result of one massive PR campaign of consensus building on every imaginable facet of your life...and I mean EVERY facet.

+1

awesome post, bill!

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

thank you katerpillar

thank you katerpillar

well put!

thanks for the good read!

not that this is directly related, but I just feel like throwing something similarly worthwhile back atcha...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgC-1Plxd1Y
have a good listen, it shifts gears about halfway through

thank you!

thank you!

I agree

Well said, great post!

Thanks. :D

Thanks. :D

Yeah like we asked?

here we are. Why is this our fault?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

its no ones fault for opening

its no ones fault for opening their eyes. its only our fault when we refuse to see some truths that are unpalatable or that require growth or change from earlier beliefs.