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Citizen's Arrest Training Guide

Zip-ties. We need to carry zip-ties everywhere, I've commented recently.

However, zip-ties are not as useful if the user has not been trained.

I just went through a mental video of an arrest, which went like this; it actually started from thinking about whether I have a correct copy of the Constitution from Amazon (free on Kindle), so wanted to go to the Smithsonian and take a picture of it. Then I thought perhaps the rule was no pictures, so a security guard (or possibly even cop, or fed) would come over and attempt to take the device from the user.

Officer: You can't take pictures in here, please give me the camera/phone.

Person: No, this is my property and you have no right to it. You can request me to leave your premises but you cannot steal from me.

Officer: Shut up and give me the camera!

Person: If you persist in this course of action I will have no choice but to make a citizen's arrest.

Officer: (lays hands)

Person: (yelling) Citizen's arrest! Everyone, grab the officer's arms and stop him! (pulling out zip-ties) Please be calm officer, this is for your own good.

Then I thought, if I tried this now I'd be physically overcome. I don't have the body style to perform these actions, so we will have to be like a swarm of angry bees, arresting their movement so they cannot leave or fight.

That led to an idea about a series of video productions on stopping illegal actions, as a community. Hence "Citizen's Arrest Training Guide".

I don't have the video skills to produce, but would be willing to work with those who do, and/or start a Kickstarter for it (once the costs are filled in by subject matter experts).

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There are already many

There are already many videos:

http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&client=safari&hl=en&q=youtube+how+to+make+a+citizen's+arrest&spell=1&sa=X&ei=RXa_Ud24HMLTiwLv2oCoCg&ved=0CDAQBSgA&biw=568&bih=268

You really ought to have grounds of probable cause

You really ought to have grounds of probable cause for a citizens areest and also if your not a professional police officer you should have back up.

1. HAVE A REASON TO ARREST. Be damn sure you can out lawyer a cop and not rely on "feels" and "muh freedoms". What you do needs to stick to a jury's mind as appropriate.

2. Organize a legally armed possie. It isn't just muscle, it is a validation that this arrest is going down despite the law breaker's protests and brings legitimacy to the scene. If you have a local militia, they may be able to give you advice on how to handle yourself.

This is true. If you wrongly

This is true. If you wrongly perform an arrest, you could face something as severe as kidnapping charges.

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WEIRD

I had a running exchange with this user, who was rather vitriolic and I tried to help him understand that I was exchanging ideas, not bashing his psyche. He persisted in attacking me. Now I see that he is banned. I am sorry for this, I would rather have helped bring this individual around to civil discourse. It's sad that we don't have any idea about the banning etc, other than other users telling us what the "authorities" here have done.

I'm reading Larken Rose's "The Most Dangerous Superstition" and (spoiler alert) that is "authority". I miss Fishyculture.

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We could begin citizens' arrests of treasonous

members of government / oath breakers. Good stuff!

What would the Founders do?

Photodegradation is a major problem when trying to preserve

items such as paintings, documents, etc. This is due to increased levels of photo-oxidation (like the fading of your dashboard) when these types of things are exposed to light. The absorption of photons causes excitation in the molecules composing the good. In this excited state, reactivity with atmospheric gases (such as oxygen) increases. Thus, taking pictures of highly valued antiques such as the Constitution or, for instance, the Sistine Chapel is forbidden because of the damage inflicted on the property.

I think citizen's arrests are good though, but one should be familiar with the law. People just can't be willy nilly arresting folks.

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I agree!

I never stated that I wanted to use a flash. Good information.

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meekandmild's picture

As a former peace officer

I support this. Hold our government employees accountable for their actions.
I'm all for the training video. Needs to include procedures when you take the arrestee to jail. Make sure you have video of event, an affidavit (your report) of the event from all involved, and several people to help with the arrest. all this will also make a case for Federal criminal action under title 18 USC § 242 and a title 42 USC §1983 civil case against the arrestee and the department the arrestee works for.

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A bit late but thanks!

I'm researching making this happen, and your pointers should prove useful.

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Print your zip-ties!

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:58776

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You can buy large bags of

You can buy large bags of zip-ties from Walmart or Costco and they're cheap. 3-D printing is not cheap compared to mass manufacturing.

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Thanks and agree

Was just mentioning alternative sources. Walmart is a great source -- use the beast against itself! :)

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