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Snowden is a character in the book Catch-22

In the end, the main character Snowden spills his guts... literally. He dies because he wants to leave the army for reasons of insanity, but they won't let him leave because wanting to leave the army proves that he is sane. I have not read this book, but James Corbett and James Evan Polati reported on this in their latest video on corbettreport.com.

In the book, the antagonists end up saying that "catch-22" means "we can do whatever we want and there is nothing you can do to stop us".

I think there is another book that rising in sales very shortly, besides 1984.

UPDATE:
Although I haven't read the book, and Evan42 is correct below... here is a link to some more info:

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/catch22/section8.rhtml
From the Spark Notes summary of Chapter 39 of Catch 22: The neighbor "tells Yossarian that the only right the soldiers had to chase the girls away was the right of Catch-22, which says 'they have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing.' ... Yossarian knows that Catch-22 does not exist but that its nonexistence does not matter, because everyone believes that it exists." It sounds like a line out of Larken Rose's The Most Dangerous Superstition.
Spark notes states that the section of the book in which Snowden appears "explodes the question of moral absolutes in war... Obviously, war carries a requirement to kill other people, and, as the old woman who notes the dominance of Catch-22 is aware, this fact undermines every other natural and moral law."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yossarian " Snowden's death embodies Yossarian's desire to evade death; by seeing Snowden's entrails spilling over the plane, he feels that 'Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret. Drop him out a window and he'll fall. Set fire to him and he'll burn. Bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage.'"




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All part of their plan?

This bit of coincidental, possibly circumstantial evidence lends a little more credibility to one theory I have on the NSA spying leak.

First off, the NSA & US intelligence in general are usually all over people that are privy to highly-classified information. Friends I know who know someone or have family who used to work for intelligence claim there is always someone following, watching, or tracking them, even if they have been retired for years.

If that is true, then someone like Snowden surely would have been constantly watched, as well as intensely vetted.

How could he have snuck out of the country, to China of all places, without help from some powerful people on the inside?
Why would they knowingly hire a Ron Paul supporter to spy on Americans?

Think about it.

We know, and they know, what Ron Paul stands for; Freedom. TPTB certainly do not. Yet they hired this guy to spy on Americans, and gave him the ability to leak this information? Do you really think they don't watch these people even more closely than the rest of us, to prevent others from doing the same, every day?

Do we really trust the media that much, still?

I say there is no way he got out of the country without help from high up.
All this info about the NSA & gov't spying on everyone was already well known about (or at least suspected) among the Liberty community and even mainstream America. TPTB might as well admit to it, and so it becomes OK. It is now the Status Quo. It is now Normal.

So the 4th amendment gone, is the new normal. Also, telling the truth about the criminals in gov't, gets you labeled a traitor. And in case you didn't know it is those Ron Paul supporters who are the traitors, like Snowden.

Also; Media has covered-up, ignored and ridiculed many previous reports and leaks of the same exact type of spying. They normally buried this kind of thing. But instead they are on 24 hour news cycle letting you know this is all normal, there is nothing you can do about it, your cell phone provider is selling you out, you are a traitor if you speak out, and by the way it's Ron Paul's fault.

Now Snowden is a character in a book about tyrannical gov't who is murdered same way as the Patsi, disemboweled? Sounds like this whole thing is a gov't Psy-Op complete with NWO mafia symbolism.

America is gone, the NWO is here. So it begins.

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I agree the MSM isn't to be trusted

When I first read about Snowden, I was inspired and encouraged, and then I thought, "Wait a minute, this all sounds a little too good to be true." His history is so over-the-top unbelievable when you think about it: from high school dropout, to breaking both legs in an Army training accident (???), to security guard for NSA, to computer expert for the CIA taking master's level computer courses (despite never having obtained a bachelor's degree). Comments on the cluesforum website offer a skeptical take on Snowden's heroism, and some interesting speculation on the power elite's motives in suddenly giving air time to this topic: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=486&hilit=sn...

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Like the Federal Reserve, the NSA seems mathematically doomed to

fail.

For each former employee, how many new employees are required in order to watch that former employee?

Technology can assist somewhat, but your description required boots on the ground. Although -- perhaps "technology can assist" is the reason they've created this enormous spying apparatus?

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Great analysis

Very interesting well thought out analysis. My wife found a copy of "Catch-22" in her pile of books... going to start reading it tonight.

Are you in Philadelphia?

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20130614_Inquirer_Edito...

Surely you must've read this article? It came out at the same time as your thread.

I'm curious and would like to propose an informal poll

I graduated in 1972, and Catch-22 was REQUIRED reading, along with Brave New World.

Was Catch 22 required reading for anyone else?

Not required reading!

But, middle America was not ready for it. Too ???. But, it was not on the recommended list, either!

Thanks for the replies.

I grew up in a small Texas town with pickups parked in the street with the doors unlocked, the windows rolled down, and a shotgun and rifle in the rear window rack.

Grade school teachers talked personally about the evils of communism and the rewards of independence. How things have changed.

Noop

It was published when I was a sophomore in high school.

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Not required for me.

I graduated HS in 1993. I and 3-4 of my friends picked it from an "approved" list of books to read in 10th or 11th grade English for a book report if I remember right.

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It's my all-time favorite

Best book ever. I have read it probably 22 times.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

One of mine too

Read multiple times

"The spirit gone, man is garbage."

I think the key point is in that last sentence quoted from the book. The rest of the book demonstrates that spiritual death (sacrificing one's values and principals in an attempt to avoid harm) is equally as damaging as physical death. As Spark Notes summarizes, "the impulse to live is not simply a desire to survive at any cost: Yossarian cannot live as a hypocrite or as a slave..."

The interesting question is what to make of this connection between Edward Snowden and Catch-22, a classic anti-authoritarian novel. Is it a mere coincidence, synchronicity, or evidence of the power elite staging the whole thing to send an intentional, in-your-face message that we "have a right to do anything [you] can’t stop [us] from doing"?

"Spirit gone"

The word "spirit" in that context is merely a synonym for "life." Compare it to "giving up the ghost." It is a metaphor. Yossarian did not believe in spirits, and he was not in the least bit spiritual. Remember the argument he had with Lieutenant Scheisskopf's wife?

The first sentence in that paragraph is, "Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret."

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Yossarian

I am sure Yossarian would have said it is best to avoid harm in order to keep ones values and principals.

SPOILER

In the end he had a choice. He could avoid court martial by liking the generals. He could refuse to like them and face court martial. He chose instead to run away, with Nately's whore fast after him with a knife. He opted out, but not in time to avoid the consequences of having been in the system, possibly killing strangers who were trying to kill him for the same reasons he was dropping bombs on them.

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Hilarious book...

a must read if you get a chance.

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

Huh?

More details please? Edward Snowden is the name of a character in a fiction book?

Yes, Snowden is a fictional character

I've updated the post with some more info

you're getting Snowden and

you're getting Snowden and Yossarian confused.

Snowden died before the book started and his death had such a traumatic effect on Yossarian (who watched him die in the plane) that Yossarian became determined to get out of the war alive. The whole book is about Yossarian navigating the various "catch-22s" of the military bureaucracy.

Well....

There are episodes in the book that took place before Snowden died. The book jumps back and forth temporally. The chapters progress through ideas rather than through time.

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interesting!

could you get a link up?