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Greenwald 2nd article today: "Edward Snowden's worst fear has not been realised – thankfully"

(First article here) Seriously, where does he find the time? Crankin' em' out:

(subtitle)The NSA whistleblower's only concern was that his disclosures would be met with apathy. Instead, they're leading to real reform(end subtitle)

In my first substantive discussion with Edward Snowden, which took place via encrypted online chat, he told me he had only one fear. It was that the disclosures he was making, momentous though they were, would fail to trigger a worldwide debate because the public had already been taught to accept that they have no right to privacy in the digital age.

Snowden, at least in that regard, can rest easy. The fallout from the Guardian's first week of revelations is intense and growing.

If "whistleblowing" is defined as exposing secret government actions so as to inform the public about what they should know, to prompt debate, and to enable reform, then Snowden's actions are the classic case.

US polling data, by itself, demonstrates how powerfully these revelations have resonated. Despite a sustained demonization campaign against him from official Washington, a Time magazine poll found that 54% of Americans believe Snowden did "a good thing", while only 30% disagreed. That approval rating is higher than the one enjoyed by both Congress and President Obama.

While a majority nonetheless still believes he should be prosecuted, a plurality of Americans aged 18 to 34, who Time says are "showing far more support for Snowden's actions", do not. Other polls on Snowden have similar results, including a Reuters finding that more Americans see him as a "patriot" than a "traitor".

On the more important issue – the public's views of the NSA surveillance programs – the findings are even more encouraging from the perspective of reform. A Gallup poll last week found that more Americans disapprove (53%) than approve (37%) of the two NSA spying programs revealed last week by the Guardian.

As always with polling data, the results are far from conclusive or uniform. But they all unmistakably reveal that there is broad public discomfort with excessive government snooping and that the Snowden-enabled revelations were met with anything but the apathy he feared.

But, most importantly of all, the stories thus far published by the Guardian are already leading to concrete improvements in accountability and transparency. The ACLU quickly filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the legality, including the constitutionality, of the NSA's collection of the phone records of all Americans. The US government must therefore now defend the legality of its previously secret surveillance program in open court.

Whole thing here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/edward-s...




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I'm talking about MSM not Greenwald when I say...

Do we really trust the media that much, still?

I say there is no way he got out of the country without help from high up.
All this info about the NSA & gov't spying on everyone was already well known about (or at least suspected) among the Liberty community and even mainstream America. TPTB might as well admit to it, and so it becomes OK. It is now the Status Quo. It is now Normal.

So the 4th amendment gone, is the new normal. Also, telling the truth about the criminals in gov't, gets you labeled a traitor. And in case you didn't know it is those Ron Paul supporters who are the traitors, like Snowden.

Also; Media has covered-up, ignored and ridiculed many previous reports and leaks of the same exact type of spying. They normally buried this kind of thing. But instead they are on 24 hour news cycle letting you know this is all normal, there is nothing you can do about it, your cell phone provider is selling you out, you are a traitor if you speak out, and by the way it's Ron Paul's fault.

Now Snowden is a character in a book ("Catch-22") about tyrannical gov't who is murdered same way as the Patsi, disemboweled? Sounds like this whole thing is a gov't Psy-Op complete with NWO mafia symbolism.

America is gone, the NWO is here. So it begins.

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DJP333's picture

One important thing about this

event is that we will probably be hearing from Greenwald weekly if not more, and people around the world will be discussing all of this for a very long time. So often, the MSM will cover an important story for a short time, spread their lies and then distract us with other "news", then most people never discuss the peculiarities of the event again (9-11, NDAA, Assange, Manning, Batman Colorado shooting, Boston Bombings, etc). Not this time. Thank you Snowden and Greenwald, these two will go down in history as heros.

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TwelveOhOne's picture

And a couple more: FBI building, WTC #1

The FBI building in OK had at least three bombs in it, but then they covered up the other two to promote their false narrative.

WTC bombing #1 was also an "FBI sting gone wrong".

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What about those CRAFT guys on their CELL PHONES

the day of the Boston bombing---Wouldn't you like to hear what those juicy conversations were all about!

If DZHOKHAR's attorneys cared anything about this teenager, they would go after those cell phone conversations in a nanosecond! They should be able to get those NSA conversations with a court order via the Freedom of Information act.

This one act could save this very intelligent, young engineer-to-be his life!

But, these so-called Defense attorneys have to get some spine to do this. Do they really have the courage to do it? Do they have the backbone and MORAL FIBER to stand up for an innocent human's life? The end hasn't been written....yet.

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Agree!

Wanted to mention the Sikh temple shooting, at which several eye-witnesses said there was more than one shooter.

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I don't believe their

I don't believe their "encrypted chat" could be anything more than a simple nuisance to the NSA, FBI, or CIA. I hope they don't believe they are talking in private.

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Not out of the woods...

if this becomes the norm:

http://www.dailypaul.com/289102/nyc

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

"Seriously, where does he find the time"

I've thought the same thing about Greenwald before. His ability to crank out really thorough reports so frequently has always impressed me. Very prolific guy.

Thanks, Glenn!

Keep the fresh air flowing!